Powers & Abilities Zeus carries Nami and its awful

[Jailer]

How would you have powered her in a way that is believable to face new world fighters as straw hats are supposed to become a Pirate King level crew in a few months in story?
Oda doesn't view Nami as proper fighter and gave her Zeus so she's not a total deadweight in battle

Same way how she beat Kalifa, especially when you have Usopp also. If Ulti was too strong for them then have them 2v1 a F6 either her or P1

Utilize their tricks completely. Nami never stood a chance vs Kalifa in a combat anyway, she won by her tricks.

What happened to Usopp's dial? Why not mirror both her and Usopp to bait them? How about storing the damage on a dial and inflicting to use against one, then throw in other arsenal?

There was more ways around that than the cheap way of using BM. And yet Usopp and Nami are possibly supposed to match the likes of Yasopp and Augur in some way, well unless Oda plans to have Big Mom finish them off too, sure. Even with Zeus, at least leave Big Mom out of the picture and have them make use of Zeus. But in came Big Mom noped everything.

 

[Necrohol]

Same way how she beat Kalifa, especially when you have Usopp also. If Ulti was too strong for them then have them 2v1 a F6 either her or P1

Utilize their tricks completely. Nami never stood a chance vs Kalifa in a combat anyway, she won by her tricks.

What happened to Usopp's dial? Why not mirror both het and Usopp to bait them? How about storing the damage on a dial and inflicting to use against one, then throw in other arsenal?

There was morw ways atound that than the cheap way of using BM. And yet Usopp and Nami are possibly supposed to match the likes of Yasopp and Augur in some way, well unless Oda plans to have Big Mom finish them off too, sure. Even with Zeus, at least leave Big Mom out of the picture and have them make use of Zeus. But in came Big Mom noped everything.

How TF are Nami and Usopp gonna match BB pirates? I'm legit worried! The fight will either be stupid bullshit like this one, or Usopp and Nami will get bullshit PUs. BM coming to finish their opponents legit might be the best choice.

 

[wraithery]

Do ya think anyone could have handed over Zeus to her if she didn't had the skills? Because that's how you are making it to be in your rants.

Stop and realise what Nami is, a normal human with exceptional Navigational skills and can manipulate weather like none other in One piece. What's more amazing is she need no df to achieve this, just her own skills.

She lured Zeus with the cloud thing she learnt during the TS. Otherwise no single other character in One piece could lure and win over Zeus. She did. Don't take credit away from her just cause she's had help obtaining a part/soul of Yonkou.

She is not strong like other SHs, and the thing is she doesn't need to be!!
Now she has attacks that can scare majority of characters in One piece. That's what she needed. The battles ahead are going to be tough, Zeus is perfect answer for Nami to keep up with PK crew and she obtained it cause she's best weather manipulator in One piece.
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Nami should learn Fishman Karate, Rokushiki. That would be best Powerup ever. ​

Again, you're ignoring the issue we have is the execution of how it was done. All of what you said doesn't address the issue in how it was handles.

Also she didn't lure zeus away, she felt bad and gave him a parting gift. The lightning balls she gave was supposed to give him whatever energy he needed to maybe try and escape. She was surprised zeus went into her weapon.

Compared to all of namis other fights, this is the most underwhelming one that required no real effort on her part, yet she gets a free power up.

If you honestly can't see the problem and address the actual execution of these events that most of us agree with are bad then you can't be helped.

We saw this power up coming a mile away, we didn't like how she got zeus before and all this extra shit made it worse.

If your response is the same nonsense then there's no point in continuing this discussion any further.

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How TF are Nami and Usopp gonna match BB pirates? I'm legit worried! The fight will either be stupid bullshit like this one, or Usopp and Nami will get bullshit PUs. BM coming to finish their opponents legit might be the best choice.

Nami won't fight, Zeus will. Nami is too weak and fragile to actually be of use in any fight. You can literally knock Nami out but you still have to fight Zeus, he's the threat, not Nami.

Usopp isn't beating Augur nor will he surpass his dad if he can't do anything here & is struggling against smile fodder.

Augur and Yasopp would not have any difficulty with page one/ulti or the gifters.

 

[Necrohol]

Nami won't fight, Zeus will. Nami is too weak and fragile to actually be of use in any fight. You can literally knock Nami out but you still have to fight Zeus, he's the threat, not Nami.

Usopp isn't beating Augur nor will he surpass his dad if he can't do anything here & is struggling against smile fodder.

Augur and Yasopp would not have any difficulty with page one/ulti or the gifters.

So sad and true

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Again, you're ignoring the issue we have is the execution of how it was done. All of what you said doesn't address the issue in how it was handles.

Also she didn't lure zeus away, she felt bad and gave him a parting gift. The lightning balls she gave was supposed to give him whatever energy he needed to maybe try and escape. She was surprised zeus went into her weapon.

Compared to all of namis other fights, this is the most underwhelming one that required no real effort on her part, yet she gets a free power up.

If you honestly can't see the problem and address the actual execution of these events that most of us agree with are bad then you can't be helped.

We saw this power up coming a mile away, we didn't like how she got zeus before and all this extra shit made it worse.

If your response is the same nonsense then there's no point in continuing this discussion any further.

Keep crying about it then lol​

 

[Jailer]

People say that they are too weak for physical heavy fighters like Ulti and P1, Usopp facing Yasopp who is a well known big name in high regards by the Navy, Van Augur who's casually sniping shit from miles.

Or Nami forbid fighting Devon who apparently was a big name pirate before Inpel Down and has a fking 9 tail fox, or the Navigator of the BBP Laffitte

Neither option are looking good for Nami and Usopp no matter how you slice it after that trash fight they had in this arc against weaker opponents.

 

[Finalbeta]

You guys think Nami will ever unlock CoA in the series? 🤔

 

[Necrohol]

You guys think Nami will ever unlock CoA in the series? 🤔

No, but I still have hope for COO. She has always been nimble and agile. I can see her using COO to dodge stuff. Also, has ability to foresee the weather so far in the future sometimes can also be some unique type of COO.

 

[park_min young]

People say that they are too weak for physical heavy fighters like Ulti and P1, Usopp facing Yasopp who is a well known big name in high regards by the Navy, Van Augur who's casually sniping shit from miles.

Or Nami forbid fighting Devon who apparently was a big name pirate before Inpel Down and has a fking 9 tail fox, or the Navigator of the BBP Laffitte

Neither option are looking good for Nami and Usopp no matter how you slice it after that trash fight they had in this arc against weaker opponents.

Luffy/Sanji/Zoro had their questionable powerups this arc
Nami and Usopp will have theirs in Elbaf, I just hope the power jump makes more sense than Luffy’s
I also don’t see how tf Usopp can beat a badass like Van Augur when Izo flexed on Usopp just last chapter

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Lmao hell no Nami's declaration was garbage.

Nami was bashing on Ulti for hitting a little kid.

This fucking little kid who was turning Ulti's allies into her enemies.

Whose dog bit half her body like a chew toy.

Who was putting in work for the raid and doing things that would deem her more worthy of being killed than Nami herself.

Nami's morals are trash. Tama is not innocent and did it with intent to hurt the enemy, she deserved to get her ass slapped by Ulti

Tama is an awful plot device but from straw hats point of view she's an oppressed kid whose entire life was made hell by Beast Pirates and Orochi and fought back to gain what they stole back from her, her freedom ;
They destroyed her village
When Luffy met her, they were about to sell her into sex slavery (red light District)
They starved her, she could only eat rice twice year, eating millet the rest of the time.
They kidnapped and tortured her with pliers to use her power (kinda ironic they're now getting beaten by that very power)

See, I wish she stayed in Wano. For a kid she contributed way too much and I'm annoyed as much as anyone by it. And it's normal Beast Pirates Ulti attacked her. But I find the moral talk kind of harsh as it was some kind of morally grey war where every side is equally good/bad when this is a story of a kid standing up to her life long oppressors using the weapons she has. If Tama is not "innocent", beast pirates are 100% guilty. This is clearly not Oda's intent to portray Tama as the bad guy here.
Heck, Luffy crushed a fodder skull with G3 hardening just for wasting a soup because of Tama, despite that fodder never having interacted with her. Zoro even wanted to cut them.

It woud have been really OOC for Nami to have no strong reaction seeing tama get maimed by claws (cause that wasnt a simple slap, it knocked tama unconscious and is likely to leave a scar) because "she asked for/deserved it", nah that's not how people behave. That's not even about morals, you hurt something they feel protective of ( a kid in her case) in front of them, they will have a strong reaction.
I'm not saying Nami morals can't be criticized nor that Ulti is evil for knocking an enemy out as you're free to dislike this scene ofc, that's not my point.
But we off topic so i'm stopping here about this matter.

 

[OEKaneki]

Because Oda’s now unwilling to show Nami get hit, which he never used to be like in the past.

Oda literally drew her getting tortured by Ulti. People need to stop with this lie.

 

[Uncle Van]

Oda literally drew her getting tortured by Ulti. People need to stop with this lie.

He clearly said "show Nami get hit." We only ever see Nami after the fact.

 

[OEKaneki]

He clearly said "show Nami get hit." We only ever see Nami after the fact.

Yeah, and there’s not a difference. We literally know what happened. It’s moving the goalposts from a prior iteration of the argument to avoid admitting that the original argument was wrong. “Nami never gets hit!!!,” > “but we didn’t see Nami get hit!!!”

 

[Zowo]

Nami is trash and not a fighter

 

[Garp the Fist]

Oda literally drew her getting tortured by Ulti. People need to stop with this lie.

No, Oda literally did not draw a single instance of Ulti landing an attack on Nami and only gave us the aftermath.

Nor do we see her “torture” Nami, we see her hold Nami and demand that she say Luffy will never be Pirate King.

 

[Uncle Van]

Yeah, and there’s not a difference. We literally know what happened. It’s moving the goalposts from a prior iteration of the argument to avoid admitting that the original argument was wrong. “Nami never gets hit!!!,” > “but we didn’t see Nami get hit!!!”

Yeah no. We saw Nami get stabbed, punched etc. preskip, but postskip it's always the aftermath as seen with Ulti. That's an obvious difference.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Nami's moment against Ulti was supposed to mirror Usopp's moment in Alabasta. What made that great was seeing Usopp go through all that punishment and then declare it. That's exactly what's missing here with Nami imo.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Actually showing the scene where Nami get brutally headbutted would have made her moment much stronger. Really don't get why Oda off screneed it.
Can't believe I have to to hope the anime will show it lol

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Nami's moment against Ulti was supposed to mirror Usopp's moment in Alabasta. What made that great was seeing Usopp go through all that punishment and then declare it. That's exactly what's missing here with Nami imo.

Oda skipped all the build up and went straight to the end for Nami. It's a common problem with ts Oda doesn't show the buildup and skips straight to the end

 

[Ravagerblade]

because, anything that has Nami in it is a soulless piece of trash.
Oda bends the rules for Nami. It's literally why I hate Nami.
OP would be better if Nami didn't exist.