Powers & Abilities Zeus carries Nami and its awful

[OEKaneki]

But it just seems cheap, when every other straw hat gets stronger with their own strength.

This is straight up ridiculous, and it perfectly matches the rest of this rant about Nami.

Nami used one of her best skills, thievery and manipulation, to take Zeus from a Yonko. It was her knowledge of weather that brought him over to her side, and her knowledge of weather that makes Zeus so powerful in her hands. She enhances Zeus, because of her understanding of science. What she’s able to achieve with Zeus is absolutely a testament of her own strength and skill, and it’s ridiculous to crush her for it. To insinuate that “everything is just handed to her” is sheer ignorance given that her greatest tool is her brain, and it’s the predominant muscle she uses. If you have a problem with Nami, but don’t have a problem with Zoro getting a sword that is specifically made to draw out his haki and force him to get better with it, or Sanji’s raid suit and magical exoskeleton, then you’re a hypocrite.

 

[Finalbeta]

I miss the Nami who would overcome Miss Doublefinger and Kalifa by such degree ofintellect / creativity and skill.

 

[wraithery]

This is straight up ridiculous, and it perfectly matches the rest of this rant about Nami.

Nami used one of her best skills, thievery and manipulation, to take Zeus from a Yonko. It was her knowledge of weather that brought him over to her side, and her knowledge of weather that makes Zeus so powerful in her hands. She enhances Zeus, because of her understanding of science. What she’s able to achieve with Zeus is absolutely a testament of her own strength and skill, and it’s ridiculous to crush her for it. To insinuate that “everything is just handed to her” is sheer ignorance given that her greatest tool is her brain, and it’s the predominant muscle she uses. If you have a problem with Nami, but don’t have a problem with Zoro getting a sword that is specifically made to draw out his haki and force him to get better with it, or Sanji’s raid suit and magical exoskeleton, then you’re a hypocrite.

People had an issue with Zoro and Sanji's power ups as well. That's nothing new. Nami's is just the worst of the 3.

 

[Ask D question]

I think oda just realized that he made ulti and page one too strong, halfway through the fight


Honestly, whatever he planned to do, it was always gonna be awful

Page one took a gear 3 attack infused with ryou and it didn't even break his jaw, and ulti pushed base luffy post udon to use gear 4

These are feats not even eos nami and usopp could accomplish

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

I think oda just realized that he made ulti and page one too strong, halfway through the fight


Honestly, whatever he planned to do, it was always gonna be awful

Page one took a gear 3 attack infused with ryou and it didn't even break his jaw, and ulti pushed base luffy post udon to use gear 4

These are feats not even eos nami and usopp could accomplish

Well that's the problem. Oda should know and plan better
I never got people saying "Ulti and P1 were too strong what did you expect" when Oda the one who set up this fight and padded it for 20 chapters. All for Meme to come and basically one shot their opponents. What's satisfying in that? Why did this even happen? There's no pay off. Should have ended it after Nami declaration at the end of round 1

 

[IIskandar1997]

Looking back on it, I really dislike Nami vs Ulti. Because it isn't really Nami vs Ulti, a more proper name for that battle would probably be Big Mom vs Ulti. Because what did Nami really do?

Okay, Ulti is strong, I get it. So Oda needed to nerf her by having her get her insides shredded by big mom. Its kinda shit, but fine. The problem is that even after that, Nami had absolutely nothing to do with Ulti's defeat. She used zeus to enhance her clima-tact and smack an already nerfed Ulti for negligible damage, and that's about it. After that she used a massive attack with zeus, the attack missed, and zeus re-directed it so that it would hit Ulti.
So basically Big Mom took out 90% of Ulti's HP and Zeus, big mom's homie, took out the other 10%.

With Big Mom, Zeus is a legitimate weapon. Like Zoro's sword or Yasopp's gun. Zeus was something big mom created herself, which she uses to increase her speed and mobility, as well as enhance her punches and slashes. When Kid and Law are fighting big mom, its Linlin who is the real threat, not Hera, prometheus, or napoleon. Those are just Big Mom's tools.

But with Nami, Zeus seems like like a tool and more like a pokemon that Nami can just set upon her enemies. It takes literally zero skill from Nami's part. I don't understand why every other SH has their own strength and creates their own power ups, whereas Nami, one of 2 women on the crew, just has it handed to her. Being over 1000+ chapters into the series, Oda could chose to change how Nami is portrayed. Have her create her own power ups and make herself stronger like everyone else. But nope, everything is just handed to her.

Usopp gives her a clima-tact upgrade. She gets to just steal zeus because big mom is retarded in WCI, and now zeus gets embedded into her weapon, making it stronger. I will admit, yeah I guess she did steal a weapon from a yonko, for all that's worth. But it just seems cheap, when every other straw hat gets stronger with their own strength. You can even look at something like Sanji's germa power ups and see the difference. His gene power up was a one time thing and he subsequently used it to create a power up for himself with Ifrit jambe.

It just bothers me because Nami was one of the founding members of the straw hat pirates and Oda likes to make her seem important, but imo Oda's writing of her character has steadily declined as time passes.

Zeus is the clima tact, he is literally her weapon now, I agree that the fight against Ulti was garbage but I cant see how Zeus is a problem in any way

 

[Uncle Van]

Nami's main battles has always been about using her wit and element of surprise to overcome physically superior opponents. There was none of that in Ulti's fight.

Big Mom did most of the work and Nami took out Ulti using Zeus and it was pure luck. No planning, no out witting, nothing.

 

[Ask D question]

Well that's the problem. Oda should know and plan better
I never got people saying "Ulti and P1 were too strong what did you expect" when Oda the one who set up this fight and padded it for 20 chapters. All for Meme to come and basically one shot their opponents. What's satisfying in that? Why did this even happen? There's no pay off. Should have ended it after Nami declaration at the end of round 1

I think nami's declaration was perfect

Oda had to make the fight awful to give good character moments to nami

Nami's core character trait is cowardice, so seing her stand up to someone tiers above her is a great moment

 

[Ven437]

I think nami's declaration was perfect

Oda had to make the fight awful to give good character moments to nami

Nami's core character trait is cowardice, so seing her stand up to someone tiers above her is a great moment

Lmao hell no Nami's declaration was garbage.

Nami was bashing on Ulti for hitting a little kid.

This fucking little kid who was turning Ulti's allies into her enemies.

Whose dog bit half her body like a chew toy.

Who was putting in work for the raid and doing things that would deem her more worthy of being killed than Nami herself.

Nami's morals are trash. Tama is not innocent and did it with intent to hurt the enemy, she deserved to get her ass slapped by Ulti

 

[wraithery]

I think nami's declaration was perfect

Oda had to make the fight awful to give good character moments to nami

Nami's core character trait is cowardice, so seing her stand up to someone tiers above her is a great moment

It was all talk.

Nami stood up to people far above her before. This is nothing new.

 

[Ask D question]

Lmao hell no Nami's declaration was garbage.

Nami was bashing on Ulti for hitting a little kid.

This fucking little kid who was turning Ulti's allies into her enemies.

Whose dog bit half her body like a chew toy.

Who was putting in work for the raid and doing things that would deem her more worthy of being killed than Nami herself.

Nami's morals are trash. Tama is not innocent and did it with intent to hurt the enemy, she deserved to get her ass slapped by Ulti

True I guess, honestly I didn't care that much for the tama part, but I still think the declaration was a good moment

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It was all talk.

Nami stood up to people far above her before. This is nothing new.

Still is satisfying to see, specially when nami was a coward for pretty much the whole time skip

 

[wraithery]

True I guess, honestly I didn't care that much for the tama part, but I still think the declaration was a good moment

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Still is satisfying to see, specially when nami was a coward for pretty much the whole time skip

Ehh. It's shallow.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

She is a "normal human" in the crew, she was a thief and "scum" who will do anything for stealing before joining, she stole Zeus and she won by cheap means.
No problem with it.
Pretty consistent with her character.

 

[Finalbeta]

You guys think Nami will enroll some new homie by the time Big Mom is defeated? 🤔

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Nami getting Zeus is good thing. You guys keep complaining she's weak but complains more when Oda does something to make her strong. BM is meme anyway. Zeus is good PU for Nami.​

 

[Necrohol]

Nami needs to learn fishman Karate, rokushiki or something. As long as her stats are that shitty, she WILL have to be carried by Zeus.

 

[wraithery]

Nami getting Zeus is good thing. You guys keep complaining she's weak but complains more when Oda does something to make her strong. BM is meme anyway. Zeus is good PU for Nami.​

I think you're ignoring the fact people don't like HOW this power up came about.

it's not the fact that it happened, but the fact nami came off a timeskip, got off screened, ain't show anything, got saved by a child, had big mom do 99% of the work, talked shit & missed her attack and then caps it off with Zeus doing the work in "beating a severely injured Ulti".

Nami was handed a false win and a power up that she didn't even earn herself because it was originally given to her by another strawhat that actually did the work to get zeus in the first place.

Also what people don't like about this power up is that she doesn't even have to control Zeus, she can sit on her ass and do nothing. She's still weak, she just got a sidekick that does all the work for her since she can't accomplish anything on her own accord, despite claiming she'd get stronger for Luffy.

The execution for Nami's power up is what people don't like. How Zeus has been used is what people don't like.

That's it.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I think you're ignoring the fact people don't like HOW this power up came about.

it's not the fact that it happened, but the fact nami came off a timeskip, got off screened, ain't show anything, got saved by a child, had big mom do 99% of the work, talked shit & missed her attack and then caps it off with Zeus doing the work in "beating a severely injured Ulti".

Nami was handed a false win and a power up that she didn't even earn herself because it was originally given to her by another strawhat that actually did the work to get zeus in the first place.

Also what people don't like about this power up is that she doesn't even have to control Zeus, she can sit on her ass and do nothing. She's still weak, she just got a sidekick that does all the work for her since she can't accomplish anything on her own accord, despite claiming she'd get stronger for Luffy.

The execution for Nami's power up is what people don't like. How Zeus has been used is what people don't like.

That's it.

Do ya think anyone could have handed over Zeus to her if she didn't had the skills? Because that's how you are making it to be in your rants.

Stop and realise what Nami is, a normal human with exceptional Navigational skills and can manipulate weather like none other in One piece. What's more amazing is she need no df to achieve this, just her own skills.

She lured Zeus with the cloud thing she learnt during the TS. Otherwise no single other character in One piece could lure and win over Zeus. She did. Don't take credit away from her just cause she's had help obtaining a part/soul of Yonkou.

She is not strong like other SHs, and the thing is she doesn't need to be!!
Now she has attacks that can scare majority of characters in One piece. That's what she needed. The battles ahead are going to be tough, Zeus is perfect answer for Nami to keep up with PK crew and she obtained it cause she's best weather manipulator in One piece.
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Nami should learn Fishman Karate, Rokushiki. That would be best Powerup ever. ​

 

[Best_Biscuits_5]

A much better power up would be observation haki+enel's/monet's devil fruit in my opinion

 

[Garp the Fist]

Zeus is fine, but the ending to Nami vs Ulti was bad.

Big Mom did not need to weaken Ulti, it had already been set up that Nami just needed stronger lightning

Big Mom‘s intervention in the fight just diminishes it. First of all, it makes Nami seem lesser, because she’s needing the intervention from one of the strongest characters in the verse to win her fight. Meanwhile, Jinbei, Franky and Robin are all beating a similar foe by themselves.

Secondly, it diminishes Big Mom, because her super attack combining all her Homies that she couldn’t do with Zeus… doesn’t even beat Ulti. That’s appalling. Anyone think Ulti is walking off an equivalent hit from Kaido? Never mind Kaido, Luffy or Zoro? At most you can argue that it’s not technically an attack from Big Mom, it’s an attack from her homies, but I think that’s splitting hairs and ignoring that at it’s basic level it shows Big Mom fail to take down Ulti.

Then after that, Nami vs Ulti isn’t a fight. Because Oda’s now unwilling to show Nami get hit, which he never used to be like in the past. Ulti hits Usopp, she hits Nami off-screen, but we don’t actually see anything that could be described as a proper Nami vs Ulti fight, it’s just a series of disconnected attacks, none of which hit Nami. And it‘s not like that’s because we get a losd of scenes of Nami’s amazing dodging prowess or anything like that, Ulti just doesn’t attack her.

And then, and this is where there is a problem with Zeus, Nami doesn’t actually hit Ulti to beat her, she misses. And Zeus is the one who beats Ulti, which Nami has absolutely no control over. She‘s looking up at Ulti in horror because she missed during it. Giving Nami a Zeus powerup is fine, that powerup winning fights for her is not.

I cannot see Nami vs Ulti as anything other than terrible compared to her fights with Miss Doiblefinger and Kalifa. Even her fight against Satori’s brothers, and barely anyone remembers that happened. And it’s a real shame, because all the setup for Nami vs Ulti before Big Mom came crashing in was good stuff.