Powers & Abilities Zoan Form Fake Hype

[Legendaryconquer#1]

So you don't believe that Lucci Zoan form is irrelevant when any Zoan forms have been inconsequential pre timeskip

I think it just depends on the animal they have cause not all Zoans are built with alot durability.

As i understand it, you're trying to invalidate the fact that Kaido switched forms to tank a stronger attack, am i correct?

I think kaido just goes to whatever form that will help him fight more efficiently. During the fight with the supernovas he started off in base then went to dragon form where he has variety of attacks like the invisible slashes he use on kiki he probably wouldn't be able to use that attack in his other forms.

About the Dragon form, is it stated anywhere as well that's Kaido's most durable form?

No, but all I know is you can't possible think his regular form is not as durable than it is in his dragon form mostly due to the scales.

Then what's your speculation about Jinbei and WhosWho, why he's fighting him in Human form when he was in Zoan form earlier?

For hand to hand efficiency he can't do that in his full Zoan form.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Chopper is the Only Character so far who's Full Zoan form is the most practical for combat. Because it's a Human Zoan.

Animal zoans just aren't practical for hand to hand combat against people of similiar level. Only against people a tier below them

 

[RayanOO]

Full Zoan Queen > Base Queen

 

[Rootbeer]

I dont think it's fake hype it's just that every zoan person uses there ability a bit different to fit there fighting style, now I do agree with you were as they would turn back into human form to fight but that's applied to the situation there in & it's not like they doesn't have many moves in full zoan mode kaido could have beating luffy easy the first time in full zoan just like at the move his use in roof piece the RS likewise, he just didn't need to use full zoan because they were weak so base wasn't enough. Now when it comes to haki I think the only one's they can use I zoan is Coc or Coo because so far I haven't come cross none that uses coa or Harding even kaido didn't

I mean, Dragon Kaido just have Boro Breath and Demolition Wind, Luffy survived Boro Breath through sheer will in gear 4 and Zoro casually deflected Demolition wind when Kiku lost an arm. I don't see how Dragon Kaido can defeat Luffy or Zoro.

Yeah so far there are no CoA panel in Zoan form.

I think kaido just goes to whatever form that will help him fight more efficiently. During the fight with the supernovas he started off in base then went to dragon form where he has variety of attacks like the invisible slashes he use on kiki he probably wouldn't be able to use that attack in his other forms.

Supernovas looked like they were handling Kaido's Dragon form pretty easily though.

No, but all I know is you can't possible think his regular form is not as durable than it is in his dragon form mostly due to the scales.

He seems more durable in his Hybrid form, i don't think his Dragon scales is what are giving him his durability but the devil fruit itself, the powers of a Dragon. He's a just a tank in all his 3 forms.

 

[Screws Loose242]

I mean, Dragon Kaido just have Boro Breath and Demolition Wind, Luffy survived Boro Breath through sheer will in gear 4 and Zoro casually deflected Demolition wind when Kiku lost an arm. I don't see how Dragon Kaido can defeat Luffy or Zoro.

Yeah so far there are no CoA panel in Zoan form.



Supernovas looked like they were handling Kaido's Dragon form pretty easily though.



He seems more durable in his Hybrid form, i don't think his Dragon scales is what are giving him his durability but the devil fruit itself, the powers of a Dragon. He's a just a tank in all his 3 forms.

Pre wano luffy would have gotten defeated by dragon kaido zoro also but not post udon and enma but what I'm saying is that even in full zoan mode zoans can still use attacks that can help them but reverting back to back would be useful because of speed but it all depends on the zoan fruit you have

 

[Rootbeer]

Pre wano luffy would have gotten defeated by dragon kaido zoro also but not post udon and enma but what I'm saying is that even in full zoan mode zoans can still use attacks that can help them but reverting back to back would be useful because of speed but it all depends on the zoan fruit you have

You can't grant them attacks that weren't displayed. Take Queen for example, Bracchio Bomber can only be used in certain situations, he needs to jump from an elevated place to use his whole body as a weapon and the target must be still or have a predictable path. Queen can't use Bracchio Bomber in the live floor. His attack Black Coffee is only viable cause he's a cyborg. Else Queen would have no attack in his full Zoan form.

Animal zoans just aren't practical for hand to hand combat against people of similiar level. Only against people a tier below them

Its another way to express the same thought isn't it, that the Zoan form is the lower one out of the 3.

Full Zoan Queen > Base Queen

Jack and Kaido's battles indicate the contrary.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Thanks, well its ambiguous but Page One might have used Observation Haki there.
Chapter 983

As for armament Haki i'm not aware of anyone whos used it in their Zoan form.






All you have in your mouth is the word trash or what... Zoan form being the lower of the 3 doesn't make it weak.

I've written in my comment that there are plot inconcistencies, and Oden vs Kaido is one of them as the finishing blow from Kaido was in Human form, the same as the scabbards.

She pierced his hand how is that chopping someone's hand off.
For Page One i said that he might not be a fighter.
And for Queen, you wouldn't want to spoil his fighting style and abilities in base form just like Hybrid.

Drake used armament in allosaurus form in the cover story when he bit Caribou

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Anyways if zoan forms didn't have some benefit over base forms, nobody would ever use them. If Oda is having all these characters switch form just because, then its just plot-induced stupidity.

There are obviously benefits to zoan forms, its just that for some of the weaker zoans, these benefits weren't really combat oriented. But for most ancient zoans, zoan form makes them bigger and hence probably more durable and physically stronger.

I honestly feel like a CoC infused attack by dragon kaido would be an island buster

 

[Rootbeer]

Drake used armament in allosaurus form in the cover story when he bit Caribou

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Anyways if zoan forms didn't have some benefit over base forms, nobody would ever use them. If Oda is having all these characters switch form just because, then its just plot-induced stupidity.

There are obviously benefits to zoan forms, its just that for some of the weaker zoans, these benefits weren't really combat oriented. But for most ancient zoans, zoan form makes them bigger and hence probably more durable and physically stronger.

I honestly feel like a CoC infused attack by dragon kaido would be an island buster

Great catch, althought its bit vague being in silhouette and all, it appears that Drake drew blood from Caribou.

As a counter, would it be plausible that Caribou couldn't or desactivated his logia properties as he absorbed a whole factory building and was full?

CoC Boro Breath would be insane..

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Speaking generally — since this will vary from zoan DF user — yeah. Zoan form is the weakest. Most people aren't primed to fight without hands, with stubby hands, or to bite people. They don't always seem as agile and honestly, ignoring muscle mass, there's no explicit evidence that the average zoan is more durable than a hybrid form.

Base vs Zoan definitely matters per user. Page1 is a prime example of that, Ulti too I'd say. But Lucci's base >> his zoan without question.

 

[Screws Loose242]

You can't grant them attacks that weren't displayed. Take Queen for example, Bracchio Bomber can only be used in certain situations, he needs to jump from an elevated place to use his whole body as a weapon and the target must be still or have a predictable path. Queen can't use Bracchio Bomber in the live floor. His attack Black Coffee is only viable cause he's a cyborg. Else Queen would have no attack in his full Zoan form.



Its another way to express the same thought isn't it, that the Zoan form is the lower one out of the 3.




Jack and Kaido's battles indicate the contrary.

You have some good points but you should still consider what I've said

 

[BlackLegFring]

Different forms just offer different ways of fighting. For those who use weapons their hybrid forms actually allow them to do so effectively compared to full zoan limbs for example.

You are sort of right that the full forms tend to just be hype tools though. It makes characters look brain addled when they insist on using the full zoan form despite being battered around like Kaido. It's just something he should change out of immediately once boro breath proves ineffective.

 

[RayanOO]

You can't grant them attacks that weren't displayed. Take Queen for example, Bracchio Bomber can only be used in certain situations, he needs to jump from an elevated place to use his whole body as a weapon and the target must be still or have a predictable path. Queen can't use Bracchio Bomber in the live floor. His attack Black Coffee is only viable cause he's a cyborg. Else Queen would have no attack in his full Zoan form.

I took into account cyborg enhencements to say that Full Dino Queen was better than base.

Queen has a full fighting style in full Dino : teeth, long neck, laser. Mouth gun etc. I am sure base Queen can go cyborg too but with the Zoan advantages it is likely better in full Dino.

For King it is not the same. He has advantages in full Dino : speed, maybe more strength, and beak attack.

But in Dino form he can’t use his sword and it seems the sword I important in his fighting style. That’s why during the Marco fight he was not in full Dino but attacked him with base form + sword attack. While Queen stayed the whole fight in full Dino.

Full Dino Queen > Base Queen
Base King > Full Dino King

 

[Jailer]

Zoans are good potential because they were regarded as strongest in close hand to hand combat but totally wasted due to Oda dragging hybrid forms for literally no reason.

 

[Rootbeer]

I took into account cyborg enhencements to say that Full Dino Queen was better than base.

Queen has a full fighting style in full Dino : teeth, long neck, laser. Mouth gun etc. I am sure base Queen can go cyborg too but with the Zoan advantages it is likely better in full Dino.

For King it is not the same. He has advantages in full Dino : speed, maybe more strength, and beak attack.

But in Dino form he can’t use his sword and it seems the sword I important in his fighting style. That’s why during the Marco fight he was not in full Dino but attacked him with base form + sword attack. While Queen stayed the whole fight in full Dino.

Full Dino Queen > Base Queen
Base King > Full Dino King

What do you think about not being able to use Haki in Zoan form?

Yeah, King seem to be limited without the sword, but keep in mind that he has powers related to his unknown race just like Jack as a fishman, he's more tough. I doubt Jack can use fishman karate though.

IIRC King was fighting Marco in Zoan form before Queen joined the fight.

 

[RayanOO]

What do you think about not being able to use Haki in Zoan form?

Yeah, King seem to be limited without the sword, but keep in mind that he has powers related to his unknown race just like Jack as a fishman, he's more tough. I doubt Jack can use fishman karate though.

IIRC King was fighting Marco in Zoan form before Queen joined the fight.

Yeah you're right, he was fighting in Dino form at the beginning and even sending som fire balls (forgot he did that).

But King can already fly even without the DF and has fire race powers even the DF. So I think while he gains something out of his full dino form : more speed and strength I think that given he has a great sword and cut Marco wing with it he is good with a sword. So i value the sword powers more than the advanatges granted by the DF.

I don't think you can't use Haki in full Dino form, it wasn't stated anywhere and I don't see why in full dino they couldn't use haki.

 

[Rootbeer]

Yeah you're right, he was fighting in Dino form at the beginning and even sending som fire balls (forgot he did that).

But King can already fly even without the DF and has fire race powers even the DF. So I think while he gains something out of his full dino form : more speed and strength I think that given he has a great sword and cut Marco wing with it he is good with a sword. So i value the sword powers more than the advanatges granted by the DF.

I don't think you can't use Haki in full Dino form, it wasn't stated anywhere and I don't see why in full dino they couldn't use haki.

Its true that King can fly either way in any form, that reminds me in Alabasta Mr. 2 couldn't use his Okama kempo in Nami's body.
So you think Queen doesn't have a fighting style in Human form? I feel like he has various enhancements for each forms, if its Wapo metal it could have memory alloy to change shape for Zoan, Human, Hybrid.

If they can use Haki, Zoan form should be the strongest form but its kind of the reverse. Also devil fruits aside, no animals in the One Piece world have been seen using Haki as well, every animals get affected by CoC. This could support the point of hakiless Zoan forms. Animals have smaller brains compared to humans with a lot less cognitive abilities.

 

[RayanOO]

no animals in the One Piece world have been seen using Haki as well

In one of the special episode in the anime the chief of the kung fu Dugong managed to use COA, but don't know if its really canon....

Animals have smaller brains compared to humans with a lot less cognitive abilities.

To be fair I don't know Oda will use that kind of real life logic. I just think they don't use haki yet because of plot and bcause Oda will use haki later during their real fights. But it's true that Kaido didn't use haki too in his dragon form... So I don't know lol

So you think Queen doesn't have a fighting style in Human form? I feel like he has various enhancements for each forms, if its Wapo metal it could have memory alloy to change shape for Zoan, Human, Hybrid.

Yeah I think Queen has enhancements and cyborg part in human form but for now I don't think he has a particular fighting style.

He has viruses, cyborg parts, guns, he also has too tiny blades, they seem random but he likely know how to use them. I think all of that + Zoan + skills with his Zoan is enough. No need to have some martial arts etc.

I think his hybrid with cyborg part + virus + neck/heavy powerful attacks will be already quite good.

 

[nik87]

Zoan form was never intended to be impressive and I didn't expect any hype from it so I'm good.

 

[Rootbeer]

In one of the special episode in the anime the chief of the kung fu Dugong managed to use COA, but don't know if its really canon....

Yeah that's not canon.. ha ha
I'd like to see a beast who can't be tamed by CoC.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Kaido jobbing to everyone in Zoan form should have pretty much sealed the deal. The closest thing he had to a success was almost killing himself by eating Luffy.