General & Others Zoro and Ryuma and cutting dragons
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Well yeah, from Punk Hazard the story was leading up to wano... That's one continuous story so of course the Ryuma stuff would start then and even kin'emon is literally used by Oda to remind us the the Ryuma stuff has started by having him call out Shusui.
But after wano, the Ryuma stuff is over since Ryuma is dead and there will not be another Dragon themed arc after wano.... After that we return to Zoro vs Mihawk and that's once again the point of Zoro's journey... Oda is just very clever with these things and knew that Mihawk is literally end game stuff so he gave Zoro some one else to compare to in the meantime
Like imagine if there were no Ryuma parallels really, Like what would we be excited for about Zoro? Mihawk is intentionally supposed to be a far away goal to the point that we know next to nothing about the shit he has done and not even his bounty... Like Oda wants us to not know these things so Zoro all this time would have no one to compare to since Oda wouldn't tell is anything about Mihawk.... People would see Zoro cutting the Punk Hazard dragon and say "Zoro is pretty good at dicing meat, he should be Sanji's cooking assistant" but now we see this and say "Zoro's the next Ryuma" or "Zoro's the new sword god" or whatever.
This is very good long term story telling really and it's very intentional
But after wano, the Ryuma stuff is over since Ryuma is dead and there will not be another Dragon themed arc after wano.... After that we return to Zoro vs Mihawk and that's once again the point of Zoro's journey... Oda is just very clever with these things and knew that Mihawk is literally end game stuff so he gave Zoro some one else to compare to in the meantime
Like imagine if there were no Ryuma parallels really, Like what would we be excited for about Zoro? Mihawk is intentionally supposed to be a far away goal to the point that we know next to nothing about the shit he has done and not even his bounty... Like Oda wants us to not know these things so Zoro all this time would have no one to compare to since Oda wouldn't tell is anything about Mihawk.... People would see Zoro cutting the Punk Hazard dragon and say "Zoro is pretty good at dicing meat, he should be Sanji's cooking assistant" but now we see this and say "Zoro's the next Ryuma" or "Zoro's the new sword god" or whatever.
This is very good long term story telling really and it's very intentional
its always going to be Zoro vs Mihawk , he had been built up as his end game enemy from the very beginning but that doesn't mean that he is more of parallel than ryuma who looks like him and had his fate connected to dragons just like him not to mention that his title seems even closer to zoro's dream since he won't to be the greatest ever not just the current strongest .
Well Ryuma isn't the greatest swordsman ever as well... In fact I could go ahead to say Mihawk is probably stronger than Ryuma since usually rules of Shonen dictate that the people get stronger as the series goes on... But then again We'll probably never be able to confirm this
As far as parallels go well like I said it's very intentional that Mihawk's feats are deliberately unknown... Like Oda could've easily made some parallel regarding the people Mihawk beat or the age Mihawk did certain techniques like cut steel or the places mihawk has travelled to or even something as simple as what Mihawk's bounties were... But Nope... Not even one single detail... All we know about Mihawk are his casual feats and his rivalry with Shanks and that's all Oda wants to tell us and he's been milking that for ages... Starting with the beating guys up with pocket knife-Zoro does that in wano... cutting a galleon in half- he does that at Sabaody... casually cutting through terrain- he does that with Enma recently and even the shanks thing Oda says stuff like "Mihawk is waiting for a challenger stronger than Shanks" because he can't risk doesnt want to actually tell us things about Mihawk
Hell the one notable feat of Mihawk is he creation of the black blade and we Andre literally just learning that that is in fact a feat... Like since chapter 50 Oda has been sitting on this and Zoro is now learning this that he actually has a thing he must do to even get back into comparing him to mihawk again
The way I see it is, whatever parallels Zoro has to anyone are all fine and good but they won't change the actual main goal just because Oda isn't going out of his way to Validate Zoro everywhere he goes... This is the long game play, By now Zoro would be like Gon from hunter X hunter who I got tired of because of the cat and mouse shit he had with his father. Nah, Oda literally waited 900 chapters to tell us for the first time an actual feat Zoro has to strive for to be near Mihawk and thats some master class long term story telling. And of course Ryuma was created to give us readers something to compare to along the way to that end game
As far as parallels go well like I said it's very intentional that Mihawk's feats are deliberately unknown... Like Oda could've easily made some parallel regarding the people Mihawk beat or the age Mihawk did certain techniques like cut steel or the places mihawk has travelled to or even something as simple as what Mihawk's bounties were... But Nope... Not even one single detail... All we know about Mihawk are his casual feats and his rivalry with Shanks and that's all Oda wants to tell us and he's been milking that for ages... Starting with the beating guys up with pocket knife-Zoro does that in wano... cutting a galleon in half- he does that at Sabaody... casually cutting through terrain- he does that with Enma recently and even the shanks thing Oda says stuff like "Mihawk is waiting for a challenger stronger than Shanks" because he can't risk doesnt want to actually tell us things about Mihawk
Hell the one notable feat of Mihawk is he creation of the black blade and we Andre literally just learning that that is in fact a feat... Like since chapter 50 Oda has been sitting on this and Zoro is now learning this that he actually has a thing he must do to even get back into comparing him to mihawk again
The way I see it is, whatever parallels Zoro has to anyone are all fine and good but they won't change the actual main goal just because Oda isn't going out of his way to Validate Zoro everywhere he goes... This is the long game play, By now Zoro would be like Gon from hunter X hunter who I got tired of because of the cat and mouse shit he had with his father. Nah, Oda literally waited 900 chapters to tell us for the first time an actual feat Zoro has to strive for to be near Mihawk and thats some master class long term story telling. And of course Ryuma was created to give us readers something to compare to along the way to that end game
Ryuma is dead , Mihawk is alive , i am not saying that he is going to take his role but what i am saying is that there is a very strong connection between Zoro and Ryuma and its different from Mihawk's and it began in a much more subtle way so i think that it could evolve to something like what's between Luffy and Roger it began by luffy wanting to be like him and now its literally luffy continuing his path and i don't think that this ruins the whole Mihawk being an end game enemy story line.
But if you say Zoro and Ryuma is like Luffy and roger, thats a very big claim... I mean Luffy actually gets his literal dream from Roger whereas Zoro just gave up Ryuma's sword because he managed to et a replacement....
I mean seriously there are parallels of course, I mean I made this thread itself because I know there are parallels... But I highly HIGHLY DOUBT that Anything Ryuma related will come up after this arc ends... And if thad the case then saying this is like Roger and Luffy is hyperbole to me
I mean seriously there are parallels of course, I mean I made this thread itself because I know there are parallels... But I highly HIGHLY DOUBT that Anything Ryuma related will come up after this arc ends... And if thad the case then saying this is like Roger and Luffy is hyperbole to me
