General & Others Zoro and Ryuma and cutting dragons
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. They remind of the demon theme titles that were floating around some time ago. 
More like you hope. Two acts are done and Zoro has barely gotten any focus. Nothing memorable really. The third act will be the flashback act then the 4th act will be the war/fights act and everyone knows no one can outshine Luffy in fights. Dude was the MVP of summit war despite being a semi fodder fighter 
More like you hope. Two acts are done and Zoro has barely gotten any focus. Nothing memorable really. The third act will be the flashback act then the 4th act will be the war/fights act and everyone knows no one can outshine Luffy in fights. Dude was the MVP of summit war despite being a semi fodder fighter
Surely this isn't true
I mean I don't agree that Zoro can outshine the main character no matter the arc material since WCI happened but surely you can't say "Zoro has barely any focus"... Zoro's literally gotten into either as many or even more fights than Luffy himself and this isnt something that happens alot... Last time it happened was with Zoro in whiskey peak and never again has a character had more fights than Luffy
And as it stands, Zoro even is involved with as many plots as Luffy has in this arc... Like seriously if you compare Zoro with the ret of the strawhats you'd think they were the side characters and Zoro and Luffy were main characters... Do you remember how the second act ended? It literally ends with a chapter highlighting Zoro and Luffy training and getting ready for the fight...
C'mon you don't have to make shit up just to make your point... Zoro can't outshine Luffy simply because Luffy is the MC and that's all you need to win the argument... But don't start sayig things that aren't true just to beat the point harder
I mean I don't agree that Zoro can outshine the main character no matter the arc material since WCI happened but surely you can't say "Zoro has barely any focus"... Zoro's literally gotten into either as many or even more fights than Luffy himself and this isnt something that happens alot... Last time it happened was with Zoro in whiskey peak and never again has a character had more fights than Luffy
And as it stands, Zoro even is involved with as many plots as Luffy has in this arc... Like seriously if you compare Zoro with the ret of the strawhats you'd think they were the side characters and Zoro and Luffy were main characters... Do you remember how the second act ended? It literally ends with a chapter highlighting Zoro and Luffy training and getting ready for the fight...
C'mon you don't have to make shit up just to make your point... Zoro can't outshine Luffy simply because Luffy is the MC and that's all you need to win the argument... But don't start sayig things that aren't true just to beat the point harder
What memorable did Luffy do so far in Wano?
Because it isnt a one-man's show. WCI threw people off and now everyone thinks it's just Luffy.
Look how many opponents there are, high tier opponents... Luffy cant possibly deal with all of them alone.
I think WCI was Luffy's one-man's show precisely because Wano wont be. We will see if I am right or not.
Because it isnt a one-man's show. WCI threw people off and now everyone thinks it's just Luffy.
Look how many opponents there are, high tier opponents... Luffy cant possibly deal with all of them alone.
I think WCI was Luffy's one-man's show precisely because Wano wont be. We will see if I am right or not.
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This is speculation with very little evidence... There are huge chunks of wano specifically with only Luffy in the doing shit while everyone else is apparently just fucking around in the back ground somewhere... Chopper travelled with big mom for so long apparently doing jack shit that it actually became a meme.... Sanji's fight was off screened... Brook found a poneglyph OFF SCREEN... Ussop and Franky pop up at random for gags... Even Zoro who has the most focus outside of Luffy has shit like his meeting with Yasu off screen and yet the plot demands that Zoro is apparently very close to Yasu and yet Oda doesn't bother showing it... and yet Luffy is shown punching every single prison guard... I can assure you there are more panels of Luffy punching fodder prison guards than panels of Robin and nami Doing anything useful IN THE WHOLE ARC
If training is what shining is then Luffy had like 10 chapters of non-stop training. And I'm not making shit up, Zoro was off panel for huge amounts of chapters. Oda didn't even let him resolve the whole Yasu thing on his own. Sanji and the rest joined him
Here is a list of Luffy's highlight moments.
1. Fighting Kaido
2. The whole yokozuna thing(he won)
3. The whole Holdem fiasco (he won)
4. Fought Against big mom for a time.
5. Took over Udon and directly led to the recruitment of close to 2000 men.
Zoro key moments are
1. The clash with Hawkins (kinda like a draw)
2. The fight with Kamazou (he got napped)
3. Fought the fox boy (couldn't get the sword back)
4. Given a power-up.
5. Did some training
Anything else I'm forgetting? My point expecting Zoro to outshine Luffy in the last climax acts when he can't measure up in the preamble acts is pure delusional
Here is a list of Luffy's highlight moments.
1. Fighting Kaido
2. The whole yokozuna thing(he won)
3. The whole Holdem fiasco (he won)
4. Fought Against big mom for a time.
5. Took over Udon and directly led to the recruitment of close to 2000 men.
Zoro key moments are
1. The clash with Hawkins (kinda like a draw)
2. The fight with Kamazou (he got napped)
3. Fought the fox boy (couldn't get the sword back)
4. Given a power-up.
5. Did some training
Anything else I'm forgetting? My point expecting Zoro to outshine Luffy in the last climax acts when he can't measure up in the preamble acts is pure delusional
And of course even Oda literally admits that that scene exists specifically just for fan service... its not even clever like the WCI fan service where it's presented that Capone is clean freak so he demands everyone to take a bath
This time the fan service is introduced lazily and actually derails the plot by making the sanji vs drake and Hawkins thing bad since sanji somehow speed blitzes both these guys and makes bani and Robin appear stupid forgetting why they even went to the bath house to find Toko and this is never addressed
It's pretty damn evident that everyone else is dressing for Luffy... They exist to justify why Luffy is called a pirate captain and that's it...
Did I not say that Zoro isn't outshining Luffy? I'm pretty sure I did... go back and read what I said
My point was that Zoro has done MORE SHIT THAN EVERY OTHER STRAW HAT BESIDE LUFFY so you can't say he has "barely any focus"... If you think what Zoro's been doing is "barely any focus" then what the fuck is brook or Ussop or nami? Are they literally not even in the arc itself?
This time the fan service is introduced lazily and actually derails the plot by making the sanji vs drake and Hawkins thing bad since sanji somehow speed blitzes both these guys and makes bani and Robin appear stupid forgetting why they even went to the bath house to find Toko and this is never addressed
It's pretty damn evident that everyone else is dressing for Luffy... They exist to justify why Luffy is called a pirate captain and that's it...
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Did I not say that Zoro isn't outshining Luffy? I'm pretty sure I did... go back and read what I said
My point was that Zoro has done MORE SHIT THAN EVERY OTHER STRAW HAT BESIDE LUFFY so you can't say he has "barely any focus"... If you think what Zoro's been doing is "barely any focus" then what the fuck is brook or Ussop or nami? Are they literally not even in the arc itself?
Lol what is this shit
If zoro got napped you clown wtf do you call what kaido did to luffy.
Fought big mom ? Got smacked around by nerfed meme and saved by queen.
Zoro saved hiyori beat killer
Zoro held off hawkins got tama to safety
Zoro won the respect of yasu like oden
Saved his daughter trained his son
Became the only other person to master his sword
Won the respect of his followers.
If zoro got napped you clown wtf do you call what kaido did to luffy.
Fought big mom ? Got smacked around by nerfed meme and saved by queen.
Zoro saved hiyori beat killer
Zoro held off hawkins got tama to safety
Zoro won the respect of yasu like oden
Saved his daughter trained his son
Became the only other person to master his sword
Won the respect of his followers.
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People wanna make Zoro as main focus
He isnt.
Stop
Wano isnt about Zoro.... the only one that received his own arc focused on him Pos TS is Sanji
Wano is everyone + allies vs Yonko
Zoro was off paneled and not even mentions in many chapters this arc
Luffy has been mentioned in almost every chapter since wano started even during reverie
Zoro hasn't shined more than Sanji even
He isnt.
Stop
Wano isnt about Zoro.... the only one that received his own arc focused on him Pos TS is Sanji
Wano is everyone + allies vs Yonko
Zoro was off paneled and not even mentions in many chapters this arc
Luffy has been mentioned in almost every chapter since wano started even during reverie
Zoro hasn't shined more than Sanji even