Current Events Zoro and Shimotsuki: The Inherited Will

Bogard

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As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
 
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Bogard said:
As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
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That's not it from you. There's some more you're missing from the end. Feel free to fill it in.
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Bogard said:
As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
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He gonna slay orochi to become the second ryuma or king the ''dragon'' apparently
not the actual dragon Kaido
 
Rivaille

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Bogard said:
As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
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And Zoro being the second coming of Ryuma is supposed to lead where? :saden::saden:
 
Peroroncino

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Bogard said:
As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
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Bogard do you believe in ZKK?
 
mly90

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Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:
The clone of Ryuma, Ushimaru and more

:milaugh:Zoro sent from being unique to being another copy of his ancestors and having free PUs
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Spoken like a man who is perfectly aware of what's to come prepare your excuses bro while you still can
Zoro is the only one without any PU this arc compared to Sanji RS Yamato mythical zoan df that is far bigger PU than all the supreme grade swords combined and Luffy who has df WG regarded very highly even got the poor WW locked up for decades.
Unlike all these Zoro only relies on his swords and his human body that hasn't been altered or boosted by any df or raid suit:cheers:
 
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I'd be more on board with Zoro inheriting Ryuma's will if Ryuma wasn't an isolationist, while Zoro is currently fighting to open Wano's borders. Either way, I'm not exactly sure how Ushimaru's will is going to come up. Zoro doesn't even know the guy, nor is he and Ryuma's will really central to the arc. Maybe it has something to do with King? IDK.
 
yorosenpai

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Bogard said:
As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
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Great post and I want to add this:
according to Onimaru VC, Shimotsuki Ushimaru actually tried to oppose Kaido after Oden's death but died trying.
I want also say that Hitetsu saw in Zoro someone that will master Enma (a sword that scared strong Samurai of the caliber of Kinemon) to a level that even the previous owner coudnt (Kuzuki Oden) and achieve the blaken blade. I believe that Hitetsu knew about Zoro lineage and he connected him to Ryuma, the only samurai in Wano that achieve that .

There is a theory by Sandman in which Hitetsu is Oden's father Sukiyaki.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1433639941339172865

The blacken blade lore.

I find funny that Hitesu the one that explain the lore of the blaken blade said that only Zoro can surpass Oden.

If indeed Hitesu is Sukiyaki, the previous Shogun, he would know about what happen to Wano in detail especially what happen to the kuzuki clan and the Shomuzuki clan.

Why did HitesuakaSukiyaki tell Zoro that only him can surpass Oden by blackening Enma? Why was he so sure about that?
Perhaps he saw in Zoro someone of Ryuma caliber - the god sword the only one in Wano able to achieve that. He would have know about Zoro connection to the Shimozuki clan.

If indeed Hitestu is Sukiyaki, what I find even more surprising is the fact taht he wasnt against the idea of giving Enma to Zoro even if he knew that Momosuke should have taken it (due to heritage - previous owner give the sword to their son).

Where does all this point to? Well we know that the Shimotosuki clan lost 2 incredible member against Kaido. And you said that Zoro has to revenge Yasuie. Yasuie state that they coundt defeat Kaido. He didnt say go kill the leader of the flower capital but he state that Zoro has to go to Onigashima in which the ruler is Kaido. Based on what the 9 scabban said to Kaido, we will not rest until we get your head, well the revenge that Yasuie is implying need to be relate to possible killing Kaido, a beat that escape dead plently of time, he tried to suicide himself by falling 10k meter high and survive. He lost got torture got imprisond but never died.
That all I can think for now.

Last point Zoro VC said:

The important point for me is that the OP staff aprove that Zoro sets off to Onigashima not just as a pirate hunter (which is a fact: Zoro got mention with Luffy&Killer&Kid as the pirate hunter) but an Oni hunter. Chapter 1024 state that Yamato is an Oni princess.
I doubt that Zoro is hunting Yamato which is currently fighting Kaido (an other Oni). So that leave me believe that Zoro has to somehow kill Kaido. The picture that I have in my mind is pretty similar to what Ryuma did century ago over the capital. That all.
 
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The White Crane

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Bogard said:
As the title says, decided to focus this topic around Zoro and the Shimotsuki inherited will, so lets start :optimistic:

Link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki

Oda revealed in an SBS that there was a link between Zoro's lineage and the Shimotsuki's from the Wano country


And the background around it was resolving around the fact that a former Wano citizen(Shimotsuki Kozaburo) left out to sea 55 years ago and founding the Shimotsuki village(the village Zoro grew in), teaching them the way of sword, as well as the word "Sunacchi", which is an important expression for a samurai when he wants to throw away his name and act like a child.




And in the chapter 1023, Kawamatsu brought up the fact that there was a reason he couldn't bring himself to stop Hiyori in giving Enma to Zoro, with Hyogoro understanding, noticing the similarity between Zoro and Shimotsuki Ushimaru, with Ryuma(another Shimotsuki, ancestor of Ushimaru) not only being also similar to him, but also being described as a one eye swordman



This basically further hinted to the possibility that Zoro's lineage was linked to the Shimotsuki

Inherited will

As mentioned above, there is a link between Zoro and the Shimotsuki brought up by Oda, but it appears to go even deeper than that
- Zoro created a bond with Shimotsuki Yasuie that pushed him to want to avenge his death

- It was mentioned during Yasuie's execution that the daimyo wanted to oppose Orochi / Kaido, but failed due to Kaido's strength

And among the daimyos in question was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's(Zoro's splitting image) who even after his defeat, never wanted to yield / bow down to Kaido


Onimaru was Shimotsuki Ushimaru's companion(and thus should have noticed the similarity between Zoro and his former master). It's likely then that he felt something with Zoro, hence his disappointment in realizing that Zoro was not understanding the true value of Shusui, a word that bothered Zoro


And Kawamatsu brought up the fact that Zoro coming to Wano, returning Shusui is fate

Indeed, the Wano citizens worship Ryuma as a god(God of the blade), to the point Onimaru literally linked the Wano tragedy to the robbery of Shusui incurring Ryuma's wrath

But with Shusui having returned where it belongs, they view it as a sign of hope, of Wano returning to it's former glory

Which should all lead to Zoro being perceived as a second coming to Ryuma, inheriting the Shimotsuki will

That's it for me, so feel free to discuss :optimistic:
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The people of Wano are gonna worship Zoro, an atheist, as the Sword God after ZKK. :christindeed:

The beauty and the irony are not lost on me. :christman:
 
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Echizen_Jo_Ndule said:
The clone of Ryuma, Ushimaru and more

:milaugh:Zoro sent from being unique to being another copy of his ancestors and having free PUs
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You're talking like Luffy's not a clone of Roger/Joyboy, and like Sanji didnt get a free PU that gives him his dream ability and doesn't require any degree of mastery, cry in you tears, atleast Zoro is the inventor of his style and the second in history to bend Enma to his will, and he's the only mf SN that didn't eat a DF
 
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lee33 said:
Who gives a fck? We are in chapter 1020+ and yall still want a Zoro backstory? It's 600 chapters too late for that. Move on. This Zoro and Shimotsuku is going to lead to absolutely no where just like how Sanji and his Vinsmokes family led to no where.
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Here comes lee to tell us when oda should do what he wants him to do
 
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lee33 said:
Who gives a fck? We are in chapter 1020+ and yall still want a Zoro backstory? It's 600 chapters too late for that. Move on. This Zoro and Shimotsuku is going to lead to absolutely no where just like how Sanji and his Vinsmokes family led to no where.
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I actually really do want a Zoro backstory! I have wanted it for a long time, so when I learned about Wano I thought maybe Oda will give me a more in depth Zoro backstory. Then once the arc started I had to wait a bazillion chapters but it's here!
 
lee33

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Hanners220 said:
I actually really do want a Zoro backstory! I have wanted it for a long time, so when I learned about Wano I thought maybe Oda will give me a more in depth Zoro backstory. Then once the arc started I had to wait a bazillion chapters but it's here!
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I feel your pain, I also thought Wano was going to flesh out Zoro but all my curiosity/enjoyment for One Piece shattered after the second act. I don't trust Oda at all. If he does flesh out Zoro is just going to be the same nonsense we got for Sanji. The Vinsmoke plot turned out to be utterly unnecessary.
 
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