Powers & Abilities Zoro and the Scabbards

How about bringing up Zoro bleeding against Hawkins? What storyarc did that provide for the plot? Mans really think they're slick putting words in my mouth lmao.
What wrong with Zoro bleeding from a large nail to the head? Do you think Doflamingo in the same situation wouldn't bleed or what?

Last I checked WB was bleeding from bullets from fodders and Shanks lost his arm to a fish.

At the end of the day Zoro is a human with his floor durability being very low. Its his ceiling that is insane.
 

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Luffy almost died to a fish/hody,
After he overexerted himself breaking half of Noah and accomplishing his goal at the time. Zoro watched the thief get away because he couldn't stay conscious.

BM could of gotten thrown in water when she passed out
Big Mom has turned into a meme for a reason it's unusual treatment for a top tier but even then those aren't direct power related issues, more her being clumsy/moody whatever you want to call it.

Ceasar one shotted Luffy, seducing woods manhandled Chopper. Oda isn't afraid to make any character look bad no matter how strong they are especially the SH who are more prominent in the story so they will eventually look bad.
Luffy has been known to be clumsy, he was facing hax and Zoro yelled at him for that exact reason. Chopper is Chopper.

That moment from Zoro isn't the reason I think he wasn't above all scabbards to begin with, it was a response to the stomache ache claims. So honestly you can think whatever you want with that moment it's not my focus here.

I think your literally ignoring everything to come to this conclusion. Kapa didn't even want Zoro to have the Sword and thinks Zoro has mental issues. He goes from thinking that to calling him amazing. Hitesu who seems to be well verse in Swords starts to play with the idea that this guy can do something Oden couldn't after watching train for a few days. This is the man who cut Kaido and Tamed Enma, but he thinks some random guy he met 4 days ago will surpass him.
? I addressed both these points. Pretty sure I responded to you on why it was the case with Hitetsu. He just saw a guy with an insane growth rate train for 3 days and adapt to Enma, it should come as no surprise he thinks he can take the blade to its limits.

And Im the one ignoring everything, my bad for not overblowing trivial "feats" and interactions over serious feats and portrayal built up over arcs and years.


What wrong with Zoro bleeding from a large nail to the head? Do you think Doflamingo in the same situation wouldn't bleed or what?

Last I checked WB was bleeding from bullets from fodders and Shanks lost his arm to a fish.

At the end of the day Zoro is a human with his floor durability being very low. Its his ceiling that is insane.
His skin's durability isnt really the point here. Hawkins and Zoro squabbling and Zoro coming out with an injury is the thing I wanted to point out, whereas he had an entire arc with Pica being unable to do the same.

Again, what I said to the other guy, don't really care about that scene regarding this thread anyways it was a matter of being sidetracked. Think of it however you want. L W, good, bad, you can run it any way you want.
 
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His skin's durability isnt really the point here. Hawkins and Zoro squabbling and Zoro coming out with an injury is the thing I wanted to point out, whereas he had an entire arc with Pica being unable to do the same.

Again, what I said to the other guy, don't really care about that scene regarding this thread anyways it was a matter of being sidetracked. Think of it however you want. L W, good, bad, you can run it any way you want.
I am glad you are not using it as an argument as its a null argument as I have no reason to believe any of the scabbards or Jack would have done any better in the same situation.
 
Hard to say really - Zoro lacks feats vs YC3+ chars, however, he has performed well vs YC4 and below level chars to the point where we can place him above the YC4 level.

Nitoryu Zoro vs Hawkins - Let's call it an overall even result for better or worse. All that's important is that Oda wasn't willing to make Nitoryu Zoro look inferior to Hawkins, even giving him the last laugh on a self-proclaimed "good" card. I think it's fair to call Hawkins YC4.

Nitoryu Zoro vs Kamizou (Killer) - Even clash whilst being constantly attacked. Killer's strength is irrelevant, he only serves to show us the difference in strength between Ni/Santoryu.

Nerfed Santoryu Zoro vs Kamizou (Killer) - Despite his random endurance flop post-fight, as soon as Zoro used Santoryu with Kamizou's rando scythe instead of Shusui, it was a one-shot.

So if Zoro can go from even vs Kamizou w/Nitoryu to one-shotting w/nerfed Santoryu and the same Nitoryu Zoro was even vs Hawkins then (whilst acknowledging that we haven't seen everything from Hawkins) it seems to me that Zoro is significantly above YC4. Especially considering he still has a mode beyond Santoryu.

Current Zoro is a complete unknown so I'm only referring to Pre-Enma Zoro here. And the argument of Enma making Zoro superior to all of the Scabbards is way too flimsy. Kawa and Denjiro are basically featless so I can only compare Zoro to Asura Douji who I will confidently say is YC3, around the likes of Jack and Doflamingo.

And the fact of the matter is that there's not really any concrete way to compare them. So I'm not about to claim Zoro is stronger than any of them. If you don't feel comfortable putting Zoro above Doflamingo then don't put him above the Scabbards just because they're swordsmen in the same arc. Zoro probably is YC3 because he's definitely not YC4 but I wouldn't put him above anyone in the tier until he shows it.
 
A very educated guess would be Zoro being significantly above strongest Scabbard be it Ashura Doji and Denjiro due to trajectory of manga and role Zoro is projected to play.

Feat wise its impossible to tell as while Zoro has an overwhelming amount of exceptionally good feats, really hard to say how someone like Denjiro or Ashura would have done in similar situation as their limits are unknown.
 
Asura Doji seemingly > than Jack
Zoro aint fighting a YC3 yet

Denjiro literally toyed with Zoro
I would hardly call it toying when you fail to do a damage to your opponent who is missing his strongest weapon, preferred fighting style and your own men are saying "He is fighting on par with boss Denjiro".

Only thing where Denjiro looked better was Zoro huffing and puffing due to brutal injury he took.
 
A very educated guess would be Zoro being significantly above strongest Scabbard be it Ashura Doji and Denjiro due to trajectory of manga and role Zoro is projected to play.

Feat wise its impossible to tell as while Zoro has an overwhelming amount of exceptionally good feats, really hard to say how someone like Denjiro or Ashura would have done in similar situation as their limits are unknown.
But Denjiro got the upper hand on him and saying he is far above someone who was getting the better of Jack puts Zoro in top tier. He is not top tier.
 
But Denjiro got the upper hand on him and saying he is far above someone who was getting the better of Jack puts Zoro in top tier. He is not top tier.
And where was that upper hand?

Not sure how you define "far above". I personaly think there is a significant gap between someone like Jack and King same as there is significant gap between Cracker and Katakuri. Doesn't mean either Katakuri or King are top tiers.
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Zoro was not fatigued - where's this excuse come from?
I am pretty sure a brutal injury, which I think you believe was fully responsible for making Zoro faint would cause fatigue right?

Wouldn't rapid movement of very muscle that is injured aggravate the wound as well?

Considering that and the fact that Zoro was missing Shusui a sword that exponentially raises his AP, his preferred fighting style, and the fact that Enma is a power up, Zoro and Denjiro clash is indicative of Zoro being significantly stronger than strongest Scabbards.
 
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