Character Discussion Zoro has the responsibilities of a vice captain

[Malio]

The problem is trying to talk to people who think having an active voice in crew matters is the definition of a vice captain, and that this makes everyone a vice captain or something.

Sanji in particular, they wheel out the same old shit. The sea train where he states that he personally would act against orders, only to be in a situation where Luffy doesn't even disagree. This has nothing to do with taking a leadership role within the crew, especially because the two people who would have worked with him weren't actually crew members at the time.

Interfering with Luffy yelling at Usopp. Accomplished nothing because Luffy wasn't able to take back what he said. Might as well just yell "kyaaa stop!" But funny enough, Nami was the ultimate victor of Luffy vs Zoro so that's a better example.

Sanji is cunning, he can be a vice captain. He could even be his own captain because it's not rocket science. But he's not Luffy's vice captain, because he doesn't have the ambition, Zoro doesn't defer to him, and the others don't really defer to him in the presence of Zoro. Hell at this point Oda is literally making him jealous of Jinbe.


Oh, Photoshop. Cool thanks lol

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This is the kinda shit I mean, just padding the post to make it seem comprehensive. That literally has nothing to do with vice captain.

In fact, think about it as the opposite: Zoro's reason for sacrificing himself at Thriller Bark was for the sake of accomplishing Luffy's dream at the cost of his own. Sanji was put down because he was clearly just being full of shit in a macho way to one up Zoro. Zoro also abandoned his pride to train under Mihawk, because it was explicitly stated that he found an ambition that he puts over his own. His motivation is that Luffy needs him to do these things.

Meanwhile Sanji's like "oh, go be Pirate King without me." Yes Luffy needs him... like he needs everyone else in the crew. Sanji literally went through the same shit Nami went through 75 volumes before that, only by that point Luffy was willing to regulate his ass. Just like the vice captain did at Thriller Bark.

It's just special needs at play. Their headcanon won't effect anything

 

[Finalbeta]

I still remember this epic panel

 

[Kiiro]

Zoro also gaved Luffy some advice at Punk Hazard when Luffy was toying, Zoro told him to get serious, this is the new world and Luffy acknowledged his words.

 

[Albino 👑]

Zoro also gaved Luffy some advice at Punk Hazard when Luffy was toying, Zoro told him to get serious, this is the new world and Luffy acknowledged his words.

Wasn't that because he was projecting after the yeti cool bros ko'd him. Just like caesar ko'd luffy
Pretty sure sanji acknowledged it

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro also gaved Luffy some advice at Punk Hazard when Luffy was toying, Zoro told him to get serious, this is the new world and Luffy acknowledged his words.

What a man

 

[Kiiro]

Wasn't that because he was projecting after the yeti cool bros ko'd him. Just like caesar ko'd luffy
Pretty sure sanji acknowledged it

This is what I meant, Luffy lost once due his sillyness. So Zoro told him to get serious, this is the new world.

 

[Albino 👑]

This is what I meant, Luffy lost once due his sillyness. So Zoro told him to get serious, this is the new world.

Luffy didn't lose to being silly he lost to underestimating what caesar can do
And in that scene both usopp and sanji realize zoro is kinda projecting due to his loss to the yeti cool bros
Also

 

[Welkin]

I don’t think any one person can take the role of the Vice Captain in the Strawhats. They all have a voice and they all take charge when necessary

Certain Strawhats definitely do it more than others (Zoro, Sanji, Nami, Jinbei) but I wouldn’t put either one of them over the other

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How does Luffy have better leadership abilities, apart from the charisma of making friends? It is Zoro who reminded him various times what it means to be a captain.

I agree with part of your post but charisma is a big part of being a leader

That’s part of the reason why people in the crew are content with following Luffy but couldn’t dream of sailing with anyone else

 

[Kiiro]

Luffy didn't lose to being silly he lost to underestimating what caesar can do
And in that scene both usopp and sanji realize zoro is kinda projecting due to his loss to the yeti cool bros
Also

The Yeti has nothing to with that scan. Usopp mention Luffy lost, doesnt matter why or how, Caesar is weaker than him reason mocked him.

 

[vikas]

Luffy doesn't has any

 

[Albino 👑]

The Yeti has nothing to with that scan. Usopp mention Luffy lost, doesnt matter why or how, Caesar is weaker than him reason mocked him.

Zoro himself mentions luffy's lost
Zooro mentions his too the yeti bros in the same sentence and Usopp and sanji realize why

 

[Kiiro]

Zoro himself mentions luffy's lost
Zooro mentions his too the yeti bros in the same sentence and Usopp and sanji realize why

Oh yeah, Zoro said he got put to sleep by them. It still doesnt change anything. Zoro told Luffy that is the new world, they have to be serious no matter aspects.

Sanji is just a filler, he didnt said nothing to Zoro.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro is a true leader :cheers: