Powers & Abilities Zoro is holding back then

[ShishioIsBack]

So Zoro is trying not use Ryou lest Enma sucks him dry

And of course he can't cut Kaido without using Ryou

Just the way heros are written in comparison to side characters.

Oden is a side character so Oda wrote him in a scenario where he goes ham from a get go.
Zoro would get several chapters worth of panel time so he can't have Zoro go Sanzen Sekai with flaming leaking Haki from the get go and give Kaido another scar.

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Nah remember
Zoro beats Pica with his bets attacks and bandana and Koka
" he didnt go all out, he held back"

Zoro didn't cut birdcage
"He held back"

zoro didn't do damage despite being serious and using banana as they expected " he held back"

Either they been lying or just fooling around

Zoro never held back vs Kaido... he just hasn't mastered Enma yet.
Didnt hold back vs Pica...he went all put thats why oda gave him enma and training ,DR zoro showed his finisher set limits .

So Zoro doesn't use casual attacks when he has bandana on? Have you seen any Zoro fight like ever?

 

[Bil02]

He didn't use Enma against Apoo. The sword he used to temporarily KO Apoo was the Wado Ichimonji. In fact he hasn't used Enma nor 3 sword style with real swords in Wano until now.

I meant the 720 pound cannon on Apoo and the 2 sword style Cqc that resulted,there was a blackened sword that Apoo blocked with his tonfa but yeah there is no clear panel showing Enma blackened so I admitted i was wrong about this in an earlier post yesterday.


Btw are you on Narutoforums? Are you @Strobcaxl there?

 

[Dark Admiral]

he sure did.

It's either that or Oda forgot to draw the hardening.
btw Killer didn't use any hardening either.

 

[M944]

More like Zoro is holding Enma back

 

[Gauntlet]

I meant the 720 pound cannon on Apoo and the 2 sword style Cqc that resulted,there was a blackened sword that Apoo blocked with his tonfa but yeah there is no clear panel showing Enma blackened so I admitted i was wrong about this in an earlier post yesterday.


Btw are you on Narutoforums? Are you @Strobcaxl there?

I'm there, but I'm not this @Stroncaxl guy.

 

[Bil02]

I'm there, but I'm not this @Stroncaxl guy.

I see,the avy and the posts looked similar so I thought you were one and the same.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

So Zoro is trying not use Ryou lest Enma sucks him dry

And of course he can't cut Kaido without using Ryou

It's not Zoro is holding back using Haki at all, he is holding back using more than what he can control Enma with. Hence the wording "unleash Enma a bit more".

He has to be careful about how much Haki he allows Enma to use in attacks.
Why? I will explain below.

Spoiler

Groundwork

I figure it's easier to control Enma in small attacks than bigger attacks(i mean more in the terms of Haki).
More Haki Enma takes, the harder it gets to control it. First time he basically tried using a simple slash on tree and it cut the entire island cliff. Had he attempted his biggest attack than he might have collapsed having running out of all his energy like Tengu said, because he hadn't learned to control it then.

Hence Kinnemon advise it's hard to control.
But Zoro has been training to control it and though he hasn't completely learnt it yet, it's safe bet to say he will at somepoint during this fight. Until then he has to be careful about Enma and restrict unleashing it.

But this didn't answered the original question that thread attempted to ask. I will come to it gradually but i need to establish one thing before i answer that.

I will go right at it, the more Ryou, the stronger the attack is.

Spoiler

Luffy trained to out Haki in his attacks and that made him significantly stronger.

Zoro could already do that, in DR he cut Pica.

Spoiler

But what i am trying to point out here is, this is not the limit of slashes and attacks.

Mihawk can do it better.

Spoiler

I bet Mihawk would have done Pica from far away, from the Hill via a slash like he did this iceberg in MF casually.

The major difference i reckon in both these attacks is the amount of Ryou they out in their attacks.

Here's another example.

Spoiler

Their swords don't even hit that all Haki. Not anything advance just more Ryou.

This is where i think Enma comes in.

Spoiler

This is max Haki we have seen on Zoro swords till this point in Story and Enma did that.

Spoiler

So if he learn to master it, Enma makes Zoro stronger. He can use more Ryou in his attacks than he previously could.

So answer to this thread question is- Yes maybe with Shisui Zoro right now may have done better.
But when he controls Enma completely he will be able to do much better, hence Oda gave Zoro this sword before his fight with Kaidou.

 

[Bil02]

The funny thing is Killer calls Zoro Zorojuro in this chapter yet people were actually arguing Killer was mentally fucked because he didn't recognize Zoro and was calling him Zorojuro in Ringo.
If anything did fuck up Killer's mindset confirmed at this point,it should have been the smile and its effects.

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It's not Zoro is holding back using Haki at all, he is holding back using more than what he can control Enma with. Hence the wording "unleash Enma a bit more".

He has to be careful about how much Haki he allows Enma to use in attacks.
Why? I will explain below.

Spoiler

Groundwork

I figure it's easier to control Enma in small attacks than bigger attacks(i mean more in the terms of Haki).
More Haki Enma takes, the harder it gets to control it. First time he basically tried using a simple slash on tree and it cut the entire island cliff. Had he attempted his biggest attack than he might have collapsed having running out of all his energy like Tengu said, because he hadn't learned to control it then.

Hence Kinnemon advise it's hard to control.
But Zoro has been training to control it and though he hasn't completely learnt it yet, it's safe bet to say he will at somepoint during this fight. Until then he has to be careful about Enma and restrict unleashing it.

But this didn't answered the original question that thread attempted to ask. I will come to it gradually but i need to establish one thing before i answer that.

I will go right at it, the more Ryou, the stronger the attack is.

Spoiler

Luffy trained to out Haki in his attacks and that made him significantly stronger.

Zoro could already do that, in DR he cut Pica.

Spoiler

But what i am trying to point out here is, this is not the limit of slashes and attacks.

Mihawk can do it better.

Spoiler

I bet Mihawk would have done Pica from far away, from the Hill via a slash like he did this iceberg in MF casually.

The major difference i reckon in both these attacks is the amount of Ryou they out in their attacks.

Here's another example.

Spoiler

Their swords don't even hit that all Haki. Not anything advance just more Ryou.

This is where i think Enma comes in.

Spoiler

This is max Haki we have seen on Zoro swords till this point in Story and Enma did that.

Spoiler

So if he learn to master it, Enma makes Zoro stronger. He can use more Ryou in his attacks than he previously could.

So answer to this thread question is- Yes maybe with Shisui Zoro right now may have done better.
But when he controls Enma completely he will be able to do much better, hence Oda gave Zoro this sword before his fight with Kaidou.

Probably the best reply in this thread,well done.

 

[Geo]

regardless if they can use it or not.

Every human has Ryou

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If Zoro can pull out Ryou he wouldnt need Emna to do it

He already does that when he costs his sword and when he shoots haki to cut Monet's cheek

 

[trav]

you might Wonder how Zoro hurt Kaido in the latest chapter then

he did not

He did scratch him tho

not a single scratch

Kaido praised him

more like he mocked him

 

[Ice devil slayer]

he did not

not a single scratch

more like he mocked him

He didn't mock him tho ?

 

[Enma]

he did not

not a single scratch

more like he mocked him

Kaido had a Kanji that describes that someone is in pain after Zoro and Killer attacked him, if they didn't hurt him, then why is it there? And how is "well done" = mocking?

 

[Cinera]

Nik,anytime Zoro's not doing damage,it means he is massively holding back or something?
He was the one to tell Luffy not to mess around this chapter,sure Zoro used a low tier move but there is no prove he used Haki or not,logic would even dictate he did but I have no proof so I can't tell.

• Zoro uses a low tier Santoryu attack
• Zoro did not use hardening

Zoro can utilise much stronger attacks than what he used in this chapter. I can understand why some would call that "holding back".

 

[Bil02]

• Zoro uses a low tier Santoryu attack
• Zoro did not use hardening

Zoro can utilise much stronger attacks than what he used in this chapter. I can understand why some would call that "holding back".

Never said the contrary, I agree he can show much more but that's not really holding back but testing the opponent first to see what kind of damage will be needed later.
You have guys thinking Zoro used 2% strength in that attack which is obviously not the case since they are facing the one known as the WSC.
All those 5 there are nowhere all out tbh and it is particularly impressive they still got praise with their casual attacks.

 

[HA001]

It's not Zoro is holding back using Haki at all, he is holding back using more than what he can control Enma with. Hence the wording "unleash Enma a bit more".

He has to be careful about how much Haki he allows Enma to use in attacks.
Why? I will explain below.

Spoiler

Groundwork

I figure it's easier to control Enma in small attacks than bigger attacks(i mean more in the terms of Haki).
More Haki Enma takes, the harder it gets to control it. First time he basically tried using a simple slash on tree and it cut the entire island cliff. Had he attempted his biggest attack than he might have collapsed having running out of all his energy like Tengu said, because he hadn't learned to control it then.

Hence Kinnemon advise it's hard to control.
But Zoro has been training to control it and though he hasn't completely learnt it yet, it's safe bet to say he will at somepoint during this fight. Until then he has to be careful about Enma and restrict unleashing it.

But this didn't answered the original question that thread attempted to ask. I will come to it gradually but i need to establish one thing before i answer that.

I will go right at it, the more Ryou, the stronger the attack is.

Spoiler

Luffy trained to out Haki in his attacks and that made him significantly stronger.

Zoro could already do that, in DR he cut Pica.

Spoiler

But what i am trying to point out here is, this is not the limit of slashes and attacks.

Mihawk can do it better.

Spoiler

I bet Mihawk would have done Pica from far away, from the Hill via a slash like he did this iceberg in MF casually.

The major difference i reckon in both these attacks is the amount of Ryou they out in their attacks.

Here's another example.

Spoiler

Their swords don't even hit that all Haki. Not anything advance just more Ryou.

This is where i think Enma comes in.

Spoiler

This is max Haki we have seen on Zoro swords till this point in Story and Enma did that.

Spoiler

So if he learn to master it, Enma makes Zoro stronger. He can use more Ryou in his attacks than he previously could.

So answer to this thread question is- Yes maybe with Shisui Zoro right now may have done better.
But when he controls Enma completely he will be able to do much better, hence Oda gave Zoro this sword before his fight with Kaidou.

Not to mention once he makes it black enma will be a full rank above shusui. So whilst its tougher short term its well worth it in the long run.

 

[Cinera]

I agree and it is actually visible he is not going all out,he just used Rengoku Oni Giri,a mid tier move.

It's low tier among Santoryu attacks, but it might be mid tier overall.

Zoro put on his bandana told luffy to get serious and yeah definitely held back against kaido to prolong a battle instead of trying to finish the fight. Totally makes sense 🥴

Oda wants to draw an entertaining fight. That's why Zoro opened up with a low tier attack without hardening.

2) If Zoro can't use Ryuo on Enma for the time being due to its sucking ability,he sure can use it in Wado and Sandai on his 3 sword styles like Oni Giri .

Zoro specifically mentioning he needs to Unleash Enma more doesn't mean he didn't necessarily use Ryuo on Wado and Sandai too.
No proof either way.

It seems unlikely to me that Zoro would use Ryuo without hardening. Especially when he's used hardening for many of his major attacks, and we see his haki leak when he does so (presumably his ryuo).

 

[Law-sama]

Zoro is not used to his strongest attack because he never use them since post TS

He will get a hang of it later in the fight

 

[Bil02]

It seems unlikely to me that Zoro would use Ryuo without hardening. Especially when he's used hardening for many of his major attacks, and we see his haki leak when he does so (presumably his ryuo).

Did Zoro use hardening on Monet ? Yet still cut her with that flying slash.

Anyways my point is there is no proof he didn't use haki or that he did for now so I'm not gonna overanalyse what is likely for him to do or not Lol as there is no definite proof either way until next chapters.

 

[Fn Lucci]

With the exception of Dofy getting hit by gamma knife and then Luffy's shotgun tactics, all of the higher level pirates seem to have the strength and stamina to fight for hours if not days, like Jinbe did years ago. Zoro is clearly in that class but hasn't fought anyone that legit. So yeah, he's pacing himself. He's the guy who mentioned saving strength for this fight twenty chapters ago while not busting out more than a flying slash along the way to the top.

Luffy learned from Ray not to be reckless and impulsive, but he's both by nature. There's an instance at every single stop, from when Zoro warned him in Punk Hazard to Zoro warning him right now, lol. So of course he busts out 120% and we'll probably see him shrivel up mid fight. By then Law will only start with his surgery techniques and Zoro will only start with his bigger attacks.

So Zoro is trying not use Ryou lest Enma sucks him dry

And of course he can't cut Kaido without using Ryou

Dude it's right there. You post a panel with the spelling and still mess it up immediately.

Anyways,none of those guys above are near even going all out especially Luffy,Law and Zoro.
The Emperors will surely take damage next chapters but I fear what is going to come after that.

Luffy is going all out, unless you think he has Gear 5 or something.

 

[Kromage911]

Luffy is going all out, unless you think he has Gear 5 or something.

He definitely does, lol. No chance he doesn't. That or at least an ultimate Gear 4 form or something. But I'm betting my money on Gear 5.