Zoro - Oden Parallels
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The evidence is getting more and more damning
Now Oden and Zoro are both Themed after Buddhism
The evidence is getting more and more damning
Now Oden and Zoro are both Themed after Buddhism
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The desperation lol
When Oden is looking like luffy Personality wise and having rare abilities like Luffy
Being a leader and charming everyone
Here their trying to make Oden be Zoro
Look Oden has Buddhism them , zoro too,... okay
Oden does attacks based on food, zoro ...well even Sanji does that
I will keep repeating this :
As long as someone has CoC and VoAT
That person is Just Luffy but more matured or lil bit different in fighting style or whatever
You can keep writing " but but but
Zoro met hiyori, oden meets toki, ..."
Fact remains that Oden is samurai version of Luffy and Roger.
When Oden is looking like luffy Personality wise and having rare abilities like Luffy
Being a leader and charming everyone
Here their trying to make Oden be Zoro
Look Oden has Buddhism them , zoro too,... okay
Oden does attacks based on food, zoro ...well even Sanji does that
I will keep repeating this :
As long as someone has CoC and VoAT
That person is Just Luffy but more matured or lil bit different in fighting style or whatever
You can keep writing " but but but
Zoro met hiyori, oden meets toki, ..."
Fact remains that Oden is samurai version of Luffy and Roger.
Sanji's attacks aren't food puns. Hehehe.... don't lie
Also the personalities aren't the same
What about how Oden is a loner?
Oden doesn't at any time ask anyone to be his follower and at multiple times he insists on abandoning them without saying a word. I greatly doubt Luffy is like this since from Luffy's backstory with Ace and Sabo to now, Luffy always wants friends and always asks people to join his crew and wouldn't just abandon them on some island to go off on his own.
Oden acquired followers by just doing a badass thing and then the people choose to follow him of their own volition without any prompt from him.
This is way more similar to Zoro who is also specifically characterised as a loner who also sometimes gets followers the exact same way by just doing a badass thing and people just follow him without him prompting anything. This happened all the way back in East blue with Johnny and Yosaku and even in Wano with Yasuie
Also the personalities aren't the same
What about how Oden is a loner?
Oden doesn't at any time ask anyone to be his follower and at multiple times he insists on abandoning them without saying a word. I greatly doubt Luffy is like this since from Luffy's backstory with Ace and Sabo to now, Luffy always wants friends and always asks people to join his crew and wouldn't just abandon them on some island to go off on his own.
Oden acquired followers by just doing a badass thing and then the people choose to follow him of their own volition without any prompt from him.
This is way more similar to Zoro who is also specifically characterised as a loner who also sometimes gets followers the exact same way by just doing a badass thing and people just follow him without him prompting anything. This happened all the way back in East blue with Johnny and Yosaku and even in Wano with Yasuie
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A loner like Mihawk is someone who people dont follow behind
A loner like Oden who has CoC , people come under him and help him even when doesnt want it.
You can write 1000 paragraphs about Zoro and Oden paralleism
It would have been good if Oden didnt have CoC and VoAT.
As long as Oden has those abilities...he is just luffy and Roger
A loner like Oden who has CoC , people come under him and help him even when doesnt want it.
You can write 1000 paragraphs about Zoro and Oden paralleism
It would have been good if Oden didnt have CoC and VoAT.
As long as Oden has those abilities...he is just luffy and Roger
Why are you bringing mihawk into this? I said Oden is a loner like Zoro not Mihawk
So you are saying personality doesn't matter? You are saying having similar powers is what makes Oden like luffy... So CoC and VOAT matter more than the clear differences in the personalities between them
So if I say Oden has a fighting style similar to Zoro, that should matter more than personality as well since according to you similar powers matter more
There's clearly a difference in personality between Oden and both Luffy and Zoro and there are some personality similarities between them as well
But you feel so butthurt by this that you wanna strawman this to say powers matter more than all these personality differences so let's go with that
Oden has CoC and VoAT like luffy and his fighting style is similar to that of Zoro down to his techniques being drawn the same way and named the same way and to connections to Buddhism and of course Zoro literally possessing Oden's sword
So there you have it... Since powers matter more than personality, here we are
So you are saying personality doesn't matter? You are saying having similar powers is what makes Oden like luffy... So CoC and VOAT matter more than the clear differences in the personalities between them
So if I say Oden has a fighting style similar to Zoro, that should matter more than personality as well since according to you similar powers matter more
There's clearly a difference in personality between Oden and both Luffy and Zoro and there are some personality similarities between them as well
But you feel so butthurt by this that you wanna strawman this to say powers matter more than all these personality differences so let's go with that
Oden has CoC and VoAT like luffy and his fighting style is similar to that of Zoro down to his techniques being drawn the same way and named the same way and to connections to Buddhism and of course Zoro literally possessing Oden's sword
So there you have it... Since powers matter more than personality, here we are
Then ....
Kid next WB
Ndule wisdom breaking the multiverse
Luffy is also WB based on having "sake cup with sons", and based on Fishman island seeing WB in Luffy.
What people do not realize yet is that:
- Luffy is mirroring Roger, WB, Garp, Shanks, Dragon, Oden, Ace, AND student of Rayleigh.
- Zoro on other hand mirrors Ryuuma (which shouldn't be a disappointment when Ryuuma is being considered a GOD in Wano and being worhsipped, something Oden didn't even manage to do. It's just simply, Oden is being a reflection of Luffy in this arc, sure he got few similarities with Zoro, but Zoro got similarities with Luffy anyway, and Zoro got similarities with other characters who people wouldn't care to bring it up. The only reason Zoro brings the smallest similarity Oden-Zoro has is to enforce the agenda that Zoro will surpass Oden in this current arc which doesn't make sense because Prime Oden is being on Yonko level! Makes no sense whatsoever!
- Zoro mainly mirrors Ryuuma & Rayleigh. Zoro mirrors Rayleigh MORE than his similarity with Oden. Let's not forget tat Oden's soft spot with women is a similarity with Sanji. Zoro would NEVER give up his ambition for a woman screaming "kyah" on a far distant island, while Oden did it just like what Sanji would have done! So, Oden has similarities with Zoro and Sanji, BUT Oden is more of a reflection of Luffy, not Zoro nor Sanji.
- Lastly, in my book, Zoro being a mirror to Ryuuma is MORE HONORABLE and MORE REWARDING than being a reflection of Oden. Ryuuma was the STRONGEST Swordsman in his time, PROVEN FACT, while Oden is only being said by fans that he was strongest swordsman, which is not proven yet. Ryuuma is more appreciated by Citizens of Wano than Oden, basically being worshipped and called "Sword God". Ryuuma managed to turn his blade black, Something Oden didn't manage to do yet despite being a "pure swordsman". Ryuuma successfully Lead the people of Wano against the WG from their invasions 400 years ago, and defended Wano during the time Wano was called "City of Gold". And Until this day, Wano is being feared by the WG and Marines do not dare to step inside casually due to Ryuuma's name, NOT Oden.
So, when I say Oden is a reflection of Luffy, not Zoro. It's NOT that I try to take things away from Zoro. It's just oden's personality is Samurai Luffy as @Jo_Ndule suggested. It's not trying to downplay Zoro, because Zoro already has BIGGER figure as a reflection with Wano's history, and that is Ryuuma himself who represents Wano to its core.
Also, the scabbard themselves, specially Asura Douji already saw Oden in Luffy. Luffy is the man who is making pacts and relationships with the scabbards more like Oden. While Zoro, I'm sorry to say, but he's just a vagabond.
You do realize that Zoro has given up on his personal short term goals in this arc (getting Shusui back, going after Orochi) because of a woman going “kyah”, right? I’m pretty sure the scene where Oden meets Toki is supposed to mirror Zoro meeting Hiyori.
Also, we don’t know when the Ryuma lived. 400 years ago is when Noland discovered the other city of gold.
Also, we don’t know when the Ryuma lived. 400 years ago is when Noland discovered the other city of gold.
Zoro did not give up Shusui when he saved Hiyori. Because he went after Shusui after that.
Also, There is a difference between someone being in vicinity and Zoro saves her, and someone being in a completely different place, and going there to save them. That's like (Vergo-tachigi-Sanji) thingy, when Zoro in Punk hazard who was next to Sanji stayed on Brownbeard back instead of going for help like Sanji and Oden would do. Specially when tachigi is more tied to Zoro than being close to Sanji
Something like Sanji in this arc as well telling Law and others to go ahead of him because Page1 terrorized a woman who screamed "Kyah".
Again, there is a difference between saving someone you see in your own vacinity, and saving someone cause you heard from far away. oden and Sanji are the type who would excert themselves to go save a stranger woman on the far end of an island. While Zoro would NOT go that far, he would chill (like he did with Vergo-Tachigi) and would let things play out how it plays out, and would ONLY make a move if the situation is infront of his eyes. he wouldn't just appear out of nowhere like a prince to save the day for a woman. That's what Sanji or what oden do.
Again, it's a thin line, but I hope you can realize the difference in that thin line difference. cause it shows a different "mentality". And not just shows someone saves a woman, the other saves a woman. okay, they parallel each others. NO sir, context and how it happens matters.
Also, that same difference Zoro fans used to attack Sanji for it. Or did they forget
Also, There is a difference between someone being in vicinity and Zoro saves her, and someone being in a completely different place, and going there to save them. That's like (Vergo-tachigi-Sanji) thingy, when Zoro in Punk hazard who was next to Sanji stayed on Brownbeard back instead of going for help like Sanji and Oden would do. Specially when tachigi is more tied to Zoro than being close to Sanji
Something like Sanji in this arc as well telling Law and others to go ahead of him because Page1 terrorized a woman who screamed "Kyah".
Again, there is a difference between saving someone you see in your own vacinity, and saving someone cause you heard from far away. oden and Sanji are the type who would excert themselves to go save a stranger woman on the far end of an island. While Zoro would NOT go that far, he would chill (like he did with Vergo-Tachigi) and would let things play out how it plays out, and would ONLY make a move if the situation is infront of his eyes. he wouldn't just appear out of nowhere like a prince to save the day for a woman. That's what Sanji or what oden do.
Again, it's a thin line, but I hope you can realize the difference in that thin line difference. cause it shows a different "mentality". And not just shows someone saves a woman, the other saves a woman. okay, they parallel each others. NO sir, context and how it happens matters.
Also, that same difference Zoro fans used to attack Sanji for it. Or did they forget
Why are you writing all of this without addressing any of the points made in the actual thread?
You haven't addressed why Inherited will is presented as inheriting swords in Wano and Zoro is the one inheriting Oden's sword
You haven't addressed why The way Oden acquired followers is more akin to how Zoro does than Luffy does
You haven't addressed why Oden's fighting style is being written exactly like Zoro's down to the method of naming their attacks
You haven't addressed how similar Zoro's plot line of Wandering through wano and even how he met Hiyori are written intentionally to repeat what Oden did
You literally haven't addressed any of these things and just claimed that all this is unsubstantial because everyone is just blinded by power scaling
TF are you on? Who cares about Oden's strength? He's dead and Hitetsu literally says that Zoro is already built to surpass Oden so who gives a shit
Why don't you stop making up conspiracy theories and just address the point of the thread instead
You haven't addressed why Inherited will is presented as inheriting swords in Wano and Zoro is the one inheriting Oden's sword
You haven't addressed why The way Oden acquired followers is more akin to how Zoro does than Luffy does
You haven't addressed why Oden's fighting style is being written exactly like Zoro's down to the method of naming their attacks
You haven't addressed how similar Zoro's plot line of Wandering through wano and even how he met Hiyori are written intentionally to repeat what Oden did
You literally haven't addressed any of these things and just claimed that all this is unsubstantial because everyone is just blinded by power scaling
TF are you on? Who cares about Oden's strength? He's dead and Hitetsu literally says that Zoro is already built to surpass Oden so who gives a shit
Why don't you stop making up conspiracy theories and just address the point of the thread instead
How can I address the points in the thread when I do not agree that Zoro reflects Oden?
If the thread changes into (Luffy - Oden - Parallel) and what Luffy will do in future to Parallel Oden more, then i would have addressed the points. But Zoro in my opinion does not represent Oden in this arc, so I don't think he would achieve any type of achievement that people will relate it to Oden or surpassing Oden with it. I hope my point is clear
If the thread changes into (Luffy - Oden - Parallel) and what Luffy will do in future to Parallel Oden more, then i would have addressed the points. But Zoro in my opinion does not represent Oden in this arc, so I don't think he would achieve any type of achievement that people will relate it to Oden or surpassing Oden with it. I hope my point is clear
What I want to say is:
Zoro can achieve some of the points mentioned in the thread.
BUUUUT It's not gonna be connected to the topic of "Zoro - Oden Parallel" or to be more precise, Oda as a writer will not have the intention to do it because there is a parallel between the two. I hope that makes it more clear. Again, he can achieve some of the points. It's just I don't agree with the title of thread being the enforcer for such achievement, that's all
Zoro can achieve some of the points mentioned in the thread.
BUUUUT It's not gonna be connected to the topic of "Zoro - Oden Parallel" or to be more precise, Oda as a writer will not have the intention to do it because there is a parallel between the two. I hope that makes it more clear. Again, he can achieve some of the points. It's just I don't agree with the title of thread being the enforcer for such achievement, that's all
Don't sugar coat your baseless statements with faint complacency
Pick one point and just tell us very clearly how or why Oda doesn't want to make a connection between the two characters despite the point
Let me give you one example from my point.
Zoro acquires Enma.
In my opinion supporting the point of the thread I would say:
inherited will is an overarching theme in all of one piece and in wano as well. Oda reinforces this by dedicating a whole chapter to the explanation of how Inherited will is perceived in Wano as a unique culture in the world. Chapter 953 is markedly unique from every chapter in Act 2 for being the most focused chapter on a single narrative. It explains the tradition of how swords are important in Wano and how the fallen warriors' wills are inherited by the living through swords. That's the chapter that ends with Hiyori offering Enma to Zoro.
So that's my argument for this point
Now you can make a counter argument that explains why Zoro is specfically NOT inheriting Oden's will despite taking his sword. You would have to explain why Inherited will is a theme in all of one piece and comes back in Wano in this specfic chapter 953 in the form of people inheriting swords BUT none of this applies to Zoro who gets offered Enma in this very chapter that's completely about inheriting will through swords
Just do that instead of making vague concessions. Pick one point and give one very clear counter argument
Pick one point and just tell us very clearly how or why Oda doesn't want to make a connection between the two characters despite the point
Let me give you one example from my point.
Zoro acquires Enma.
In my opinion supporting the point of the thread I would say:
inherited will is an overarching theme in all of one piece and in wano as well. Oda reinforces this by dedicating a whole chapter to the explanation of how Inherited will is perceived in Wano as a unique culture in the world. Chapter 953 is markedly unique from every chapter in Act 2 for being the most focused chapter on a single narrative. It explains the tradition of how swords are important in Wano and how the fallen warriors' wills are inherited by the living through swords. That's the chapter that ends with Hiyori offering Enma to Zoro.
So that's my argument for this point
Now you can make a counter argument that explains why Zoro is specfically NOT inheriting Oden's will despite taking his sword. You would have to explain why Inherited will is a theme in all of one piece and comes back in Wano in this specfic chapter 953 in the form of people inheriting swords BUT none of this applies to Zoro who gets offered Enma in this very chapter that's completely about inheriting will through swords
Just do that instead of making vague concessions. Pick one point and give one very clear counter argument
So if anyone interacts with women at all it’s a Sanji parallel? Despite the fact that Oden clearly has no ulterior motives or sense of chivalry that we’re aware of?
And does the scenario of a Kozaburo/Hitetsu blade combo wielder saving a 26 year old woman he knows nothing about, even temporarily putting a halt to his short term goals and then fainting, and being treated by the woman he saved not sound suspiciously familiar? I know people want to discount any and all similarities between Zoro and Oden, but that’s a little too on the nose.
And does the scenario of a Kozaburo/Hitetsu blade combo wielder saving a 26 year old woman he knows nothing about, even temporarily putting a halt to his short term goals and then fainting, and being treated by the woman he saved not sound suspiciously familiar? I know people want to discount any and all similarities between Zoro and Oden, but that’s a little too on the nose.