Speculations Zoro's bizzare adventure part 2

[ImmaIvanoM]

I made part 1 of this post at the start of act 2 and put it on Reddit and OJ trying to predict the entire flow of Zoro's story for the rest of the arc at the time.

What I got correct before it happened was Shusui was going to be stolen, Zoro was going to be told the story of Ryuma and he would not care, Tenguyama would watch Zoro do something impressive and give him a sword as replacement and King is the strongest swordsman in Wano and has flying dragon powers (this was before his devil fruit was revealed to actually be a flying dragon devil fruit)

What I got wrong was I thought Tenguyama would give Zoro Nidai Kitetsu since we knew nothing about Enma at the time but Tenguyama literally does say "Like a cursed sword (Nidai), Enma requires strength to weild" so it's close enough. Another thing I got wrong was that I thought King would be Orochi's direct bodyguard because it was obvious Zoro was going to beat Orochi as well (this was before Orochi was even revealed and shown to be weak). But what's even better is that King is just a very proactive guy when handling kaido’s interests. King deals with big mom and this Yamato problem for Kaido before Kaido even tell him to do it so he's been shown to step up immediately when anything comes up. And given how close Kaido and Orochi are, any threat against Orochi will most probably have King as the first responder.

The aspects of the part 1 post that haven't come to fruition are as follows.

1. Zoro must use Nidai Kitetsu one way or another

2. Zoro must learn to cut fire.

3. Zoro must defeat King the wildfire who is the Strongest swordsman of Wano.

4. Zoro must be given Shusui at the end of the arc.

5. Tenguyama at the end of the arc will ask Zoro to find and return Shodai Kitetsu to Wano

Of course I hold onto all the above being things that will still happen and now for part 2 I will add on a few more things.

6. Zoro will learn how to make the Black blades

7. Zoro will cut Kaido.

8. Zoro will leave with either Nidai Kitetsu or Enma but not both (Because he will be given Shusui. The reason for why he will get back Shusui is because Shusui as well as Ryuma are symbols of the country's isolationism since Ryuma was lauded for preventing outsiders from entering. Once the borders are open, Shusui's meaning will have to change and giving it to an outsider is the ultimate symbol of that)

In the end my conclusion from Part 1 hasn't changed even 50 chapters later. Zoro will be the Strongest swordsman in Wano at the end of the arc.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

4. Zoro must be given Shusui at the end of the arc.

8. Zoro will leave with either Nidai Kitetsu or Enma but not both (Because he will be given Shusui. The reason for why he will get back Shusui is because Shusui as well as Ryuma are symbols of the country's isolationism since Ryuma was lauded for preventing outsiders from entering. Once the borders are open, Shusui's meaning will have to change and giving it to an outsider is the ultimate symbol of that)

I don't see why Zoro needs to have shusui. Shusui is the same rank as the nidai and enma despite being a black blade. If blackening increases the rank of a sword, then that would mean that if Zoro was able to blacken the nidai or enma, they would be even stronger than shusui.

Also, shusui is the national treasure of wano and I don't know why anyone would ask that Zoro give enma back when literally nobody except for him is strong enough to weild it.

6. Zoro will learn how to make the Black blades

As in someone will tell him how to do it. But I hope your not suggesting he will actually do it when the only people who have ever accomplished this feat were ryuma and mihawk

7. Zoro will cut Kaido.

Honestly I don't think he will. Oden was a legendary pirate who has portrayal comparable to prime Rayleigh. Not only that but Oden cut a weaker version of kaido than the one the current alliance is fighting.

It doesn't make sense for Zoro to surpass Oden, who was surely a top tier, right now. imo Zoro will get his ass beat by Kaido. Kaido will break the sandai, which will segway into him getting the nidai.

 

[KiriNigiri]

It doesn't make sense for Zoro to surpass Oden, who was surely a top tier, right now. imo Zoro will get his ass beat by Kaido. Kaido will break the sandai, which will segway into him getting the nidai.

This does Zoro no favors. And how would it not make sense? Narratively, it aligns perfectly for Zoro to surpass Oden on Wano where his story (Oden's) is still relevant.

What you're suggesting is Zoro just looking like a failure by comparison with getting decimated and losing one of his swords, devaluing not only his arc on Wano, but his 2 years training.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What you're suggesting is Zoro just looking like a failure by comparison with getting decimated and losing one of his swords, devaluing not only his arc on Wano, but his 2 years training.

Does it really devalue Zoro's 2 year training for him to get beaten by Kaido, the strongest creature in the world?
Like even his captain was beat by Kaido.

This does Zoro no favors. And how would it not make sense? Narratively, it aligns perfectly for Zoro to surpass Oden on Wano where his story (Oden's) is still relevant.

If Zoro surpassed Oden now, that would put him in the same league as prime rayleigh. Do you not see how that's a bit too big of a powerjump, especially when Zoro's last bounty was only 320 mil?

Oden was a legendary pirate. When zoro hasn't even defeated a single yonko commander yet, he shouldn't be surpassing Oden. He can surpass Oden next arc when Oda gives him a 1v1 against an admiral.

 

[KiriNigiri]

Does it really devalue Zoro's 2 year training for him to get beaten by Kaido, the strongest creature in the world?
Like even his captain was beat by Kaido.

Luffy was beaten by Kaido because he'll be the one to defeat Kaido. It's trial and error for him. Zoro losing to Kaido offers nothing else than to hype up Kaido at the expense of Zoro. So he can get a new sword? It's not like that will undo his past defeat. Will he train to overcome it? Sure, but Zoro's always training. For him to lose to Kaido would be redundant towards his quest. But not only that, it will always be left ambiguous if Zoro has truly surpassed Oden if he fails to measure up in anyway to Oden. This doesn't necessarily mean two shotting Kaido, but to get completely trounced while not actually doing anything in the process would leave a bad taste.

If Zoro surpassed Oden now, that would put him in the same league as prime rayleigh. Do you not see how that's a bit too big of a powerjump, especially when Zoro's last bounty was only 320 mil?

There's hardly any One Piece left after this arc. We'll be gearing up for EOS once Wano is over. No, I do not think it's inappropriate for Zoro to be that strong by that stage of the story. There will likely only be top tier threats at that point.

Hitetsu wouldn't compare Zoro and Oden if he weren't going to surpass him sooner than later. This isn't like Mihawk where it was acknowledged he's oceans apart from Zoro.

 

[Patryipe]

I still think that Zoro will simply swap Sandai with Nidai at the end of the arc when Tengu will see that he is worth of it.

 

[Finalbeta]

The only future I predict for the Grandmaster is to accomplish the sacred job Oden only got half done due to circumstances ~~

 

[bennbeckman]

ZoZos Bizarre Adventure

 

[Relapse]

Isn’t Zoro on adventure like 289 of the series

 

[Drachenblut]

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with zoro cutting kaido 😂

I mean, either way, it isn't relevant at all.

And the job was foreshadowed to be luffys, by oden himself. Heck if zoro defeats king alone, which he will (imo), it is enough.



And I believe that zoro will go with nidai AND enma.

As I believe, nidai was the sword of his father and enma was already given to him.

 

[Finalbeta]

Isn’t Zoro on adventure like 289 of the series

Zoro is the One Piece that's why no one can find him

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Zoro will cut Kaido.

 

[Enma]

I mean, either way, it isn't relevant at all.

Maybe for you. Cutting the WSC is a hell of feat, that will show how far Zoro has progressed. + Ryuma's parallel, cutting Dragon before the eyes of whole Wano.

And the job was foreshadowed to be luffys, by oden himself.

Luffy was foreshadowed to cut Kaido? Didn't know about it. And he won't beat Kaido alone, Kidd and Law + Zoro's help is still there.

 

[trav]

iirc correctly you think that BM is a swordsman. would that not make her the strongest swordsman in Wano and therefore Zoros opponent?

 

[Drachenblut]

Maybe for you. Cutting the WSC is a hell of feat, that will show how far Zoro has progressed. + Ryuma's parallel, cutting Dragon before the eyes of whole Wano.

Luffy was foreshadowed to cut Kaido? Didn't know about it. And he won't beat Kaido alone, Kidd and Law + Zoro's help is still there.

Look that's exactly the problem. You just want zoro to cut kaido to see his growth while one can see it if he defeats king. Just because it is cool (and probably zoro is yout fav character) but something like that is irrelevant at all 🤷‍♂️

Character growth and as well power ups don't have to be defined in such a way. For me it would be way cooler if zoro just shows his sense of value as a swordsman, rather than to give kaido a scar. 🤷‍♂️


And nope, luffy was foreshadowed to defeat kaido, how could you even misunderstand this 😒

 

[Enma]

Look that's exactly the problem. You just want zoro to cut kaido to see his growth while one can see it if he defeats king. Just because it is cool (and probably zoro is yout fav character) but something like that is irrelevant at all 🤷‍♂️

I can see both, defeating King while gaining AdCoA, and then cutting Kaido. And like i said, irrelevant for you

Character growth and as well power ups don't have to be defined in such a way. For me it would be way cooler if zoro just shows his sense of value as a swordsman, rather than to give kaido a scar. 🤷‍♂️

Well, i don't know your meaning of a "value as a swordsman". Cutting the WSC, whose skin has shown to be almost impenetrable would show his value as a swordsman, doncha think?

And nope, luffy was foreshadowed to defeat kaido, how could you even misunderstand this 😒

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with zoro cutting kaido 😂
And the job was foreshadowed to be luffys, by oden himself.

 

[Drachenblut]

Value as a swordsman = his spirit as a "samurai".

Remember what koushiro said when he had seen zoro's bounty as a pirate? It's fine as long as you follow your sword. Or smth like that.

The current wano has no pride. The samurais have no pride. Look at orochi, he is the fucking shogun of wano, the leader of the samurai but he is a cunt. A schemer. Someone, without pride.

Zoro will show wano what it means to be a swordsman. As they have forgotten. That's what I meant.


Well either way, I don't care if he manages to cut him or not, it's just sad to see people "creeping" on fights, power ups, meaningless comparisons etc. while op itself has much more to give...


Btw, if luffy doesn't fight kaido himself, imo it would make his training and build up a the next yonko meaningless, because I'm pretty sure that bm and kaido will go down in wano.


So after that there is only shanks and bb...
When is he gonna be a yonko? When is he gonna surprass a yonko? If the stalemate of the 4 yonkos aren't broken by luffy, then you can't say for sure that he obtained op because he was stronger thab the others. I mean, it would be just because he had luck and 2 of the 4 went poof through a coalition.
That would be bad imo.


But either way, have a nice day. I'm out :)

 

[Enma]

Value as a swordsman = his spirit as a "samurai".

Remember what koushiro said when he had seen zoro's bounty as a pirate? It's fine as long as you follow your sword. Or smth like that.

The current wano has no pride. The samurais have no pride. Look at orochi, he is the fucking shogun of wano, the leader of the samurai but he is a cunt. A schemer. Someone, without pride.

Zoro will show wano what it means to be a swordsman. As they have forgotten. That's what I meant.

How tho? Idk how would he show it. Fighting King? Don't think so. And i don't remember when Kyoshiro said that, have a pic?

Btw, if luffy doesn't fight kaido himself, imo it would make his training and build up a the next yonko meaningless, because I'm pretty sure that bm and kaido will go down in wano.


So after that there is only shanks and bb...
When is he gonna be a yonko? When is he gonna surprass a yonko? If the stalemate of the 4 yonkos aren't broken by luffy, then you can't say for sure that he obtained op because he was stronger thab the others. I mean, it would be just because he had luck and 2 of the 4 went poof through a coalition.
That would be bad imo.


But either way, have a nice day. I'm out :)

Getting one-shotted by your opponent and then winning against him after one training is as bad. And you have to remember that Luffy's crew has only 10 people in it. Luffy's crew is basically Shanks/Roger crew, where Quality > Quantity. If Luffy wins against Yonko, while his strongest underlings are YC1/2/3, then it means that he can one shot his entire crew everytime and anytime, and they won't do a shit to him. For me, it would look like they are more afraid of him, like in Big Mom crew, than in friendship, like Roger or Shanks crew. So it's either Luffy soloing Kaido, but Oda's making King/Queen/Jack stronger than other Yonko crews, so Zoro, Sanji and whoever will fight Jack will be stronger as well, or team-up against Kaido, making Luffy stronger than his crew, but not by much.

 

[Rivaille]

Since the link between Kozaburo and Zoro as been made, I think that Zoro ending Wano and the story with 3 Kozaburo swords is cool

Now, Hitetsu forging a sword (either a completely new sword or a mix of the Nidai and The Sandai) for Zoro as an appreciation of his swordsmanship skill is still my main theory

And i still think that the Nidai is a red herring. Zoro will not get this sword as it is right now

 

[Fujishiro]

This does Zoro no favors. And how would it not make sense? Narratively, it aligns perfectly for Zoro to surpass Oden on Wano where his story (Oden's) is still relevant.

What you're suggesting is Zoro just looking like a failure by comparison with getting decimated and losing one of his swords, devaluing not only his arc on Wano, but his 2 years training.

Luffy trained for 2 years too yet lost multiple times. The latest of which was kaido. Yet you want his subbordinate to magically jump up tiers for the sole reason that you want him to. Story telling and power scaling be damned.
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Maybe for you. Cutting the WSC is a hell of feat, that will show how far Zoro has progressed. + Ryuma's parallel, cutting Dragon before the eyes of whole Wano.

Luffy was foreshadowed to cut Kaido? Didn't know about it. And he won't beat Kaido alone, Kidd and Law + Zoro's help is still there.

What would show zoros progress would be an organic growth in strength for most people to even entertain the thought of him cutting kaido. The man has basically only fought fodder, while luffy was actually fighting and growing his haki. Training for 2 years can only get you so far. Especially since we know that haki can only bloom in intense fights.