Speculations Zoro's bizzare adventure part 2
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High diffing someone means you beat them with a bif of difficulty but not by risking your life, so it stands to reason he meant breezing through in that way. You would think you guys would want him to have an extreme diff fight vs king ala luffy vs kat but nah man. Zoro wasnt breezing through pre skip but we had a specific power level he was at and the fact that he had a lot of high diff fights, post skip he had none and yet you want his first fight to be a high diff? Thats breezing through for me.
Most of Zoro high diff fights pre-ts were circumstantial either because he was lacking a sword or because he was wounded prior to the fight not because his opponents were a match for his healthy self.
In post-ts Oda decide to make Zoro follow a linear path : Low diff fights in the beginning followed by mid fights followed by mid diff fight with an handicap. Therefore following this pattern Zoro next fight will most likely be a high diff which lead to the extrem diff fight against Mihawk. It is not breeeing throught, it is progress.
Except that we do not want Zoro to be Luffy or be like Luffy we want Zoro to be Zoro. Therefore Zoro being his own character he does not have to face the same difficulties as Luffy or, at least, not in the same order. Which is what Oda seems to do.
In post-ts Oda decide to make Zoro follow a linear path : Low diff fights in the beginning followed by mid fights followed by mid diff fight with an handicap. Therefore following this pattern Zoro next fight will most likely be a high diff which lead to the extrem diff fight against Mihawk. It is not breeeing throught, it is progress.
Except that we do not want Zoro to be Luffy or be like Luffy we want Zoro to be Zoro. Therefore Zoro being his own character he does not have to face the same difficulties as Luffy or, at least, not in the same order. Which is what Oda seems to do.
I explain very clearly why in the brackets. It's symbolism and themes
Not everything is about power scaling
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But there's characters in the current story already talking about Zoro surpassing oden
Like outside of your head canon power scaling, there's literally been set up for Zoro surpassing oden in the story. Are you gonna say this set up is gonna lead nowhere
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You mean like in Ennies Lobby?
Are you gonna say that the story telling in Ennies Lobby was some how compromised just because your concept of power scaling didn't fit Oda's?
Oda did one thing in Ennies Lobby. He had Zoro say "We got stronger" and that's it. That's literally the only statement in the entire arc that justifies how the strawhats got from Luffy getting beaten by Blueno to everyone and their mother beating all of CP-9
And you know the justification for all this? Apparently all anyone needed was to know why Robin left. After the strawhats learn this, their resolve increases so much that they jump tiers in strength to beating all of CP-9
Are you gonna say that Ennies Lobby is bad arc for this? The story telling was destroyed because Oda just decided that resolve alone can jump people tiers in power? Is that your stance? Ennies Lobby is the worst arc in the series?
Anha? So now Oda has set up Zoro cutting kaido and has even given Zoro a training montage on screen and made sure to say Zoro will get much stronger after training. But this is somehow worse than Ennies Lobby? In Ennies Lobby where resolve makes people jump tiers in power is better than here where Zoro actually trains on screen to get much stronger
Geez
Not everything is about power scaling
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But there's characters in the current story already talking about Zoro surpassing oden
Like outside of your head canon power scaling, there's literally been set up for Zoro surpassing oden in the story. Are you gonna say this set up is gonna lead nowhere
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You mean like in Ennies Lobby?
Are you gonna say that the story telling in Ennies Lobby was some how compromised just because your concept of power scaling didn't fit Oda's?
Oda did one thing in Ennies Lobby. He had Zoro say "We got stronger" and that's it. That's literally the only statement in the entire arc that justifies how the strawhats got from Luffy getting beaten by Blueno to everyone and their mother beating all of CP-9
And you know the justification for all this? Apparently all anyone needed was to know why Robin left. After the strawhats learn this, their resolve increases so much that they jump tiers in strength to beating all of CP-9
Are you gonna say that Ennies Lobby is bad arc for this? The story telling was destroyed because Oda just decided that resolve alone can jump people tiers in power? Is that your stance? Ennies Lobby is the worst arc in the series?
Anha? So now Oda has set up Zoro cutting kaido and has even given Zoro a training montage on screen and made sure to say Zoro will get much stronger after training. But this is somehow worse than Ennies Lobby? In Ennies Lobby where resolve makes people jump tiers in power is better than here where Zoro actually trains on screen to get much stronger
Geez
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So wait you want his only extreme diff fight to be mihawk? Is mihawk that low in the food chain that all it takes is high diffing a fm before that to get to the extreme diff part? How is zoro actually progressing if all he does is mid diff or high diffs opponents. That’s no how your haki blooms at all. Eh i guess mihawk is just a bit above king then.
Makes sense to devalue the title then if all it takes is 2 years of off screen training then a couple of mid diffs and a high diff to get to that level.
Makes sense to devalue the title then if all it takes is 2 years of off screen training then a couple of mid diffs and a high diff to get to that level.
Enies lobby was a shit show when it came to the story following its universe power logic yes. Most people look past it because of the emotional pay off tho.
Look, I hope for your sakes zoro does what you think he may do. If he doesn’t, you lot will become the laughing stock for the forums. I don’t have a hedge on this anyways. All I want rn is to know what the one piece is so I can stop reading this series. Zoro could solo kaido and bm for all I care.
Look, I hope for your sakes zoro does what you think he may do. If he doesn’t, you lot will become the laughing stock for the forums. I don’t have a hedge on this anyways. All I want rn is to know what the one piece is so I can stop reading this series. Zoro could solo kaido and bm for all I care.
It is not what I said. What I said is that Oda is following a linear path with Zoro’s fights.
Zoro had several low diff fights, he has several mid diff fight therefore I expect him to have several high diff fights and several extrem-diff fights.
Again:
-Haki is not the only stat that can grow
-You do not need extrem-diff fight to grow stronger
-Enma’s training and Luffy’s training in Udon disprove the idea that there is only one way for haki to bloom. Except if you think that Zoro and Luffy did not get anything from those training.
Zoro had several low diff fights, he has several mid diff fight therefore I expect him to have several high diff fights and several extrem-diff fights.
Again:
-Haki is not the only stat that can grow
-You do not need extrem-diff fight to grow stronger
-Enma’s training and Luffy’s training in Udon disprove the idea that there is only one way for haki to bloom. Except if you think that Zoro and Luffy did not get anything from those training.
So you don't actually care about the mechanics of the world. You just don't want it to happen.
Oda sets up very clearly that pure resolve and will power can make people jump tiers in power. This is a thing that's been true since pre time skip. BUT YOU DONT CARE
Oda sets up that Zoro's resolve in this arc is growing bit by bit with the whole Yasu and Orochi and Hiyori business. BUT YOU DON'T CARE.
Oda sets up how Swords in Wano are a representation of inherited will and Zoro getting Enma is literally him inheriting Oden's will. BUT YOU DON'T CARE.
Oda sets up Zoro growing Stronger with his strength already compared to Oden's and then there's talk of him getting even stronger. BUT YOU DONT CARE.
You just don't like the thing and will argue against it DESPITE the actual set up for this thing very clearly existing
You just don't like it so you don't actually care about story telling. You summon the words "storytelling" as a meme yet you don't actually care about what Oda is setting up.
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Compote please. Stop. Compote. STOP
Oda sets up very clearly that pure resolve and will power can make people jump tiers in power. This is a thing that's been true since pre time skip. BUT YOU DONT CARE
Oda sets up that Zoro's resolve in this arc is growing bit by bit with the whole Yasu and Orochi and Hiyori business. BUT YOU DON'T CARE.
Oda sets up how Swords in Wano are a representation of inherited will and Zoro getting Enma is literally him inheriting Oden's will. BUT YOU DON'T CARE.
Oda sets up Zoro growing Stronger with his strength already compared to Oden's and then there's talk of him getting even stronger. BUT YOU DONT CARE.
You just don't like the thing and will argue against it DESPITE the actual set up for this thing very clearly existing
You just don't like it so you don't actually care about story telling. You summon the words "storytelling" as a meme yet you don't actually care about what Oda is setting up.
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Compote please. Stop. Compote. STOP
Pure resolve only happened during enies lobby, zoro had pure resolve during Baratie yet got negg diffed. Luffy got pure resolve and willpower during marineford yet couldn’t do shit. Luffy was resolved to finish off kaido after he saw him attack his friends yet got negg diffed. The only instance that shit happened in a clear manner was fucking enies lobby, that’s why it was shit tier. The random power jumps I mean. The arc itself is fine tho. And I can’t believe you are ok with fairy tail level power jumps mate. Good thing this isn’t dbz where willpower and rage makes you stronger.
Correction, luffy inherited odens will. Not zoro. Oden and luffy are clear parallels yet you think that just because oden uses swords and zoro too that means they he is supposed to represent him lmao?
And can you please show me in the manga where people compared zoro to oden strength wise? I seem to have forgot or missed that. The only nice thing I remember was tenguyama telling him that he may turn enma black. That’s it. And we all know blackblades doesn’t automatically make you stronger then a person who doesn’t have one.
Correction, luffy inherited odens will. Not zoro. Oden and luffy are clear parallels yet you think that just because oden uses swords and zoro too that means they he is supposed to represent him lmao?
And can you please show me in the manga where people compared zoro to oden strength wise? I seem to have forgot or missed that. The only nice thing I remember was tenguyama telling him that he may turn enma black. That’s it. And we all know blackblades doesn’t automatically make you stronger then a person who doesn’t have one.
Are you saying you read this page and never realised Oda is talking about Inherited will being passed on through swords?
What about when Oden literally says "My soul will live on"
And then his swords are passed on to his children
Were you reading all this and thinking "Oda is just writing random shit just to sound clever and there's no meaning to any of this." Even though the actual chapter when Kawamatsu talks about Inherited will is the very same Chapter Hiyori offers Enma to Zoro.
You read all this and whoosh. It was all white noise to you.
And it seems you literally don't even understand what you yourself are saying. RESOLVE MAKES PEOPLE STRONGER =/= RESOLVE MAKES PEOPLE WIN FIGHTS
Why do I have to explain this? A person can get stronger than they previously were and still not win. Luffy was clearly far stronger in Marineford than he had ever been. THe man literally stunned all of Marineford with CoC out of pure resolve. Zoro was clearly stronger against Mihawk than he had ever been. He even pulled out a "three sword secret technique" on mihawk which he never uses for the next 400 chapters.
TF? How is this hard to understand? You can get stronger without Winning. It's not rocket science.
And you seem to forget ZORO'S RESOLVE IN WANO IS INCREASING AND HE'S ACTUALLLY TRAINING.
Did you forget that part? The part where Zoro who had never Gone all out before decided to train to get even MUCH STRONGER. Did you forget that part?
You forgot that Tenguyama says Zoro pulled off a feat only Oden had ever done when he tamed Enma? You know, that feat that had Kin'emon(Oden's right hand man) sweating and Kawamatsu was praising Zoro.
And since when do you know that making black blade doesn't mean you are above other swordsmen. The only two people who have done it are the person who is the God of Oden's country who no one has ever said Oden is comparable to and Mihawk, the guy who is directly stated to be stronger than all other swordsmen. Geez where did you read that making a black blade isn't a top tier feat?
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