Speculations Zoro's fights against Mihawk and Kizaru

[nik87]

Lol look at who's talking. The goal which stated to be the hardest among the crew will be the first?? Sanji goal is to find All Blue, Nami goal is to draw the entire map etc. All this are tied to Luffy goal i.e after they travel entire Grandline and reach the last island.
The Final Battle is gonna happen in the so-called Final War in which Mihawk obviously is not an opponent for Zoro. So no, Mihawk is not the final opponent for him. And stop the headcanon,
Elabf is not island that leads to PK, Lodstarr is the final island before LaugTale.

And you sure that Mihawk will be just chilling all
the time the Final War happening?? The War that is said to be engulfing the whole world. So ofc Mihawk and Zoro should settle down before the final War

Unless All Blue is between Rafter and 2nd last island in the NW, he is coming after Luffy.
Unless the map ends with Raftel, Nami is coming after Luffy.
So, Zoro and Mihawk will fight at Loadstar? What are all other crew members going to do on Loadstar?

Loadstar is irrelevant if 4th RP is on Elbaf which it most likely is.
Loadstar may be the stage where SHP fight the BBP, no space for Mihawk...
Where will Mihawk and Zoro settle it down? Elbaf or Loadstar? Those are your options.

 

[Blahmigooo]

Unless All Blue is between Rafter and 2nd last island in the NW, he is coming after Luffy.
Unless the map ends with Raftel, Nami is coming after Luffy.
So, Zoro and Mihawk will fight at Loadstar? What are all other crew members going to do on Loadstar?

Loadstar is irrelevant if 4th RP is on Elbaf which it most likely is.
Loadstar may be the stage where SHP fight the BBP, no space for Mihawk...
Where will Mihawk and Zoro settle it down? Elbaf or Loadstar? Those are your options.

Does it necessarily need Zoro vs Mihawk?? Even if it happens it will be before Final War.

 

[nik87]

Does it necessarily need Zoro vs Mihawk?? Even if it happens it will be before Final War.

We will see... Zoro and Mihawk happening before the end doesnt make sense. Could it happen? Sure, I guess...

 

[Finalbeta]

We will see... Zoro and Mihawk happening before the end doesnt make sense. Could it happen? Sure, I guess...

Yes. It would require Mihawk to move around Zoro's place for some reason in the first place, or Luffy to merely become PK after returning quite the way back. The first doesn't quite look the most intuitive outcomes to put it mildly. The second is a bit more debatable, but I mean the world will probably acknowledge him as PK before he comes back, the news fly fast.

 

[Blahmigooo]

We will see... Zoro and Mihawk happening before the end doesnt make sense. Could it happen? Sure, I guess...

You have understand what's going on. LaugTale was the final island, in other words it is the end of the Grandline. So the All blue etc. are going to be there, every mystery, place, location etc. are going to appear before reaching the end of the Grandline. So Luffy goal is also automatically tied to all his crew goal.


The Government are abolishing the Warlord system and the Marines are started to chase. Mihawk after whooping a handful of Marines has to eventually move from his place. No Warlord can stay in the same place when the Marines full force started following them. There's no reason for Mihawk to stay in first half of Grandline who was going to be chase by Marine the whole time.

He has to enter the New world, where Marines organization are minimal. So he could meet with the Strawhat hat anytime before Laughtale. The Final War is the War which is going to engulf the whole world, which means any remaining big time players will have to participate. There's no reason for Mihawk vs Zoro during Final War. So obviously Zoro and Mihawk have to settle down already such that Mihawk will no longer be relevant in the Final War.

 

[nik87]

You have understand what's going on. LaugTale was the final island, in other words it is the end of the Grandline. So the All blue etc. are going to be there, every mystery, place, location etc. are going to appear before reaching the end of the Grandline. So Luffy goal is also automatically tied to all his crew goal.


The Government are abolishing the Warlord system and the Marines are started to chase. Mihawk after whooping a handful of Marines has to eventually move from his place. No Warlord can stay in the same place when the Marines full force started following them. There's no reason for Mihawk to stay in first half of Grandline who was going to be chase by Marine the whole time.

He has to enter the New world, where Marines organization are minimal. So he could meet with the Strawhat hat anytime before Laughtale. The Final War is the War which is going to engulf the whole world, which means any remaining big time players will have to participate. There's no reason for Mihawk vs Zoro during Final War. So obviously Zoro and Mihawk have to settle down already such that Mihawk will no longer be relevant in the Final War.

Well, I have disappointing news, I guess. Laboon, which is Brook's dream, is not where you think it is...
Mihawk has only to appear at one spot - where he and Zoro will fight and that is exactly where?
You say it wont happen during or after final war and that it wont happen during Raftel either.
What options do you have left? Wano? Elbaf? Loadstar? Where is it going to happen?
Why would Zoro fight anyone else after Mihawk? Is that the grand finale for Zoro's journey? Beating people weaker than Mihawk?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Mihawk has only to appear at one spot - where he and Zoro will fight and that is exactly where?

Answer this, the world government want's all the warlords capture, why would mihawk be any different? they'll let him go to face zoro at the EoS? the ssg is stronger then all the 7 warlords combine and it has a fleet of marines with him, if mihawk escapes they'll keep hunting him unless he goes to shanks or BB

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Zoro is fighting Fujitora, the confirmed swordsman, who I think is stronger than Kizaru.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

The main problem with Fuji is that, by the time of the Final War, I don't really see him fighting for the WG, if what the story has shown us about this man and his character so far is any indication to how things could develop in the future. I don't think he will be an opponent that the straw hats will have to overcome.

this is the headcannon im talking about " I don't see him fighting for the WG" then why is he still in the admiral position after dressora, after the reverie? after saying the WG thinks they're gods, why would he side for some pirates?

•There is a consistent trend in the manga of Kizaru being put against vice captains/right hands/first mates : Rayleigh, Marco, Benn Beckman. Be it clashes, interactions etc.

Out of any admiral post-time skip fujitora has been put up against right-hand the most (Sabo,Zoro)

•Kizaru being the one to almost kill Zoro until Ray saved him. This event doesn't hold the emotional weight of the interactions between Luffy and Akainu but it's still pretty significant.

And fujitora almost killed zoro? zoro never made eyecontact with kizaru, but in 799 he has a bloodlusted look on his face to fight fujitora

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

He cant dodge killer no named attack so no Kizaru

• Sanji can't dodge Drake slowest form no named Tail attack so No Kizaru .
• Luffy couldn't dodge apoo attack so no Kizaru .

 

[nik87]

Answer this, the world government want's all the warlords capture, why would mihawk be any different? they'll let him go to face zoro at the EoS? the ssg is stronger then all the 7 warlords combine and it has a fleet of marines with him, if mihawk escapes they'll keep hunting him unless he goes to shanks or BB

If Oda wants Zoro vs Mihawk to happen, nothing can stop that from happening. Correct?

 

[ErionRoronoa]

X > >X > X >Shiriu> Kizaru> Mihawk

 

[Blahmigooo]

Well, I have disappointing news, I guess. Laboon, which is Brook's dream, is not where you think it is...
Mihawk has only to appear at one spot - where he and Zoro will fight and that is exactly where?
You say it wont happen during or after final war and that it wont happen during Raftel either.
What options do you have left? Wano? Elbaf? Loadstar? Where is it going to happen?
Why would Zoro fight anyone else after Mihawk? Is that the grand finale for Zoro's journey? Beating people weaker than Mihawk?

Why do you ask where they will fight?? No one can tell. It's Oda to decide. I'm only telling what make sense in accordance to the story. Like you believe Mihawk vs Zoro will happen after Final War?? Like in an epilogue?? Hell no. Mihawk vs Zoro round 2 couldn't even happen we can't tell any future events.


For all we know is Mihawk won't be an opponent for Zoro in the Final War. It doesn't make sense. And Luffy goal shouldn't come first before Zoro goal.

Do you remember Zoro words when Mihawk beat him in East blue?? With pointing his sword upward and crying he said - " Luffy can you hear me?? You need no less than the WSS right?? I will never lose again until i beat him(Mihawk), any problems with that Pirate King??!!!"


Luffy also said when he first heard about Zoro goal in East blue - " The WSS?? As a Pirate King comrade, I wouldn't expect any less from you"


Did you understand now?? all this evidence which clearly shows Luffy goal will only come after Zoro. If Luffy is already the PK and the crew are crowned as PK crew without Zoro being WSS, that is even an insult for Zoro himself to not be able to earn the title while the crew we're already PK crew. I hope you are much clearer now.

 

[nik87]

Why do you ask where they will fight?? No one can tell. It's Oda to decide. I'm only telling what make sense in accordance to the story. Like you believe Mihawk vs Zoro will happen after Final War?? Like in an epilogue?? Hell no. Mihawk vs Zoro round 2 couldn't even happen we can't tell any future events.


For all we know is Mihawk won't be an opponent for Zoro in the Final War. It doesn't make sense. And Luffy goal shouldn't come first before Zoro goal.

Do you remember Zoro words when Mihawk beat him in East blue?? With pointing his sword upward and crying he said - " Luffy can you hear me?? You need no less than the WSS right?? I will never lose again until i beat him(Mihawk), any problems with that Pirate King??!!!"


Luffy also said when he first heard about Zoro goal in East blue - " The WSS?? As a Pirate King comrade, I wouldn't expect any less from you"


Did you understand now?? all this evidence which clearly shows Luffy goal will only come after Zoro. If Luffy is already the PK and the crew are crowned as PK crew without Zoro being WSS, that is even an insult for Zoro himself to not be able to earn the title while the crew we're already PK crew. I hope you are much clearer now.

I am asking you because you are certain it will happen before Luffy is PK, I want you to realize that it cannot happen before.
Why wouldnt Mihawk vs Zoro happen in the epilogue? That is when Zoro's hardest fight should happen.
I told you, Brook's goal is coming after Luffy's goal. There is no reason why Zoro's cannot happen after either.

I remember the words well, none of it says that he has to be WSS before Luffy is PK...
Neither do Luffy's words... They are just talking about their own dreams. There is no rule which should happen first.
There is no evidence... You just think it is evidence which it isnt to me...

So what if Zoro isnt WSS when Luffy is PK? It's not insulting at all considering that Zoro places Luffy's dream above his own, he will want to see to it that Luffy achieved his dream first and then he will focus on achieving his own. Zoro's strength doesnt change whether he has the title or not, he is monstrously strong already, without the title. There is nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Blahmigooo]

I am asking you because you are certain it will happen before Luffy is PK, I want you to realize that it cannot happen before.
Why wouldnt Mihawk vs Zoro happen in the epilogue? That is when Zoro's hardest fight should happen.
I told you, Brook's goal is coming after Luffy's goal. There is no reason why Zoro's cannot happen after either.

I remember the words well, none of it says that he has to be WSS before Luffy is PK...
Neither do Luffy's words... They are just talking about their own dreams. There is no rule which should happen first.
There is no evidence... You just think it is evidence which it isnt to me...

So what if Zoro isnt WSS when Luffy is PK? It's not insulting at all considering that Zoro places Luffy's dream above his own, he will want to see to it that Luffy achieved his dream first and then he will focus on achieving his own. Zoro's strength doesnt change whether he has the title or not, he is monstrously strong already, without the title. There is nothing to be concerned about.

Why are still clinging to your thought?? I have given you all the evidence shown throughout the story. Zoro has to be WSS right before the crew is crowned as PK crew to make their words/promises more meaningful. Once again a reminder - Luffy saying the PK should have no less than the WSS in his crew, Zoro saying the same thing PK should have no less than WSS in his crew and that he will never lose. Luffy can't be PK before Zoro become WSS that's what the story tells us.

Luffy and Zoro are the strongest and second strongest in the crew and both goals are tied with strength and power in which Luffy goal is harder to surpass.

 

[nik87]

Why are still clinging to your thought?? I have given you all the evidence shown throughout the story. Zoro has to be WSS right before the crew is crowned as PK crew to make their words/promises more meaningful. Once again a reminder - Luffy saying the PK should have no less than the WSS in his crew, Zoro saying the same thing PK should have no less than WSS in his crew and that he will never lose. Luffy can't be PK before Zoro become WSS that's what the story tells us.

Luffy and Zoro are the strongest and second strongest in the crew and both goals are tied with strength and power in which Luffy goal is harder to surpass.

PK will have WSS in his crew, just not at the time you think... There is no requirement for Zoro to accomplish his dream first.
Zoro's goal has everything to do with strength while Luffy's almost nothing. Getting strong yourself is easier than doing everything that is required to become PK, that's why Luffy's goal is harder to achieve. Just getting someone to read Poneglyphs for you has proven itself as a wall that cannot be climbed by anyone since Oden reading them out to Roger.
I have already shown you why it cannot happen before - Wano, Elbaf, Loadstar, Raftel are not places where Zoro vs Mihawk takes place.

 

[Finalbeta]

this is the headcannon im talking about " I don't see him fighting for the WG" then why is he still in the admiral position after dressora, after the reverie? after saying the WG thinks they're gods, why would he side for some pirates?

Out of any admiral post-time skip fujitora has been put up against right-hand the most (Sabo,Zoro)

And fujitora almost killed zoro? zoro never made eyecontact with kizaru, but in 799 he has a bloodlusted look on his face to fight fujitora

Almost killed Zoro lol.

You are as powerful as ever with the fanfiction content man.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

PK will have WSS in his crew, just not at the time you think... There is no requirement for Zoro to accomplish his dream first.

Yes there is, and who said zoro has to beat mihawk for WSS? Mihawk didn't beat shanks for it.

Zoro's goal has everything to do with strength while Luffy's almost nothing.

Standing above all conquers, and suprassing the yonkos&admiral whom are stronger then mihawk is strength related.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yes there is, and who said zoro has to beat mihawk for WSS? Mihawk didn't beat shanks for it.

Standing above all conquers, and suprassing the yonkos&admiral whom are stronger then mihawk is strength related.

It's not so simple. The manga is patently hyping the final match up between Mihawk and Zoro since he lost a first time. It stands many odds to occur. Also we don't know how Mihawk turned WSS exactly.

 

[Karma]

Defeats kizaru -- Then defeats right hand man of imu sama......not sure when will he defeat mihawk......

Yea my ive had the same thought process.

In my mind the Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's penultimate oppoents will be Akainu, Fujitora and Kizaru respectively. From there Luffy would go fight Im, but it wouldnt make sense for Zoro to go randomely fight Mihawk after.

So my current theory is that Mihawk is connected to Im. Them having the same type of eyes is also smth to consider.