Powers & Abilities Enma General Discussion Power-up / Black Blade

[Fn Lucci]

I think the issue is the mental issue people have with the word powerup, just because it makes Zoro stronger doesn't mean it's what Boundman is to Luffy, once again in game terms Boundman would be a multiplier buff and Enma would be something like +10 on the weapon slot.

If you're talking about the sort of meticulous game to include points for weapon equip then you're talking about something that gives you stat effects for Luffy's articles of clothing. Plus luck for hat and plus charisma for yellow sash type shit.

Enma is in that category and it's distinctly different from equipping the Raid suit or something.

Getting away from your own comparison and to the manga...

It's been even less than a visual distinction. If you didn't see the hilt you wouldn't even have known there was anything different about him as a fighter during the raid. The only time he cut loose is when he used Sandai by itself, so why even try to call it something similar to the other power ups? Btw I use Boundman and RS but it's easy to use a ton of things in that class: Sulong, Shogun, hybrid Zoans etc

 

[ankama]

Zoro said that he would become stronger with the new sword, gaining Enma. I do not understand the reason for such a waste of time on this obvious topic. The reason for what? That Zoro was at his current strength level even without the power-up?
Let's be reasonable.
Sanji got a power up, Luffy got a power up, Zoro got a power up, even Franky got a power up(he said he improved General).

 

[nik87]

Zoro said that he would become stronger with the new sword, gaining Enma. I do not understand the reason for such a waste of time on this obvious topic. The reason for what? That Zoro was at his current strength level even without the power-up?
Let's be reasonable.
Sanji got a power up, Luffy got a power up, Zoro got a power up, even Franky got a power up(he said he improved General).

While Luffy's and Sanji's PUs are tangible, Zoro's isnt. So much for a powerup...

 

[M944]

We never had such built-up for a training wheel only
People loves to compare it to Hyo
Hyo was barely introduced when he start to train luffy

Moreover Sandai, Yubashiri and Shusui were P. U. Every one agree on that all of them had a downside to control
Enma follow the same patterns so Enma is a P. U

 

[ankama]

While Luffy's and Sanji's PUs are tangible, Zoro's isnt. So much for a powerup...

So Zoro has not yet demonstrated the Enma effect as when cutting the cliff. Luffy himself only showed the products of his training in the last chapter.

 

[HA001]

So Zoro has not yet demonstrated the Enma effect as when cutting the cliff. Luffy himself only showed the products of his training in the last chapter.

Zoros did bigger cuts than that in dressrosa.

 

[Raughtale]

If you're talking about the sort of meticulous game to include points for weapon equip then you're talking about something that gives you stat effects for Luffy's articles of clothing. Plus luck for hat and plus charisma for yellow sash type shit.

Enma is in that category and it's distinctly different from equipping the Raid suit or something.

Getting away from your own comparison and to the manga...

It's been even less than a visual distinction. If you didn't see the hilt you wouldn't even have known there was anything different about him as a fighter during the raid. The only time he cut loose is when he used Sandai by itself, so why even try to call it something similar to the other power ups? Btw I use Boundman and RS but it's easy to use a ton of things in that class: Sulong, Shogun, hybrid Zoans etc

This is One Piece, Oda isn't obsessed with arbitrary powerlevel arguments and the simple line of thought of ''Zoro+new sword= Stronger Zoro'' is simply closer to the truth and anything that makes a character stronger is a powerup, if someone makes a thread titled '' Is Enma as much of a powerup as Gear 4 and Raid suit?'' then I will vote No but for the purpose of this particular thread the answer is unmistakably Yes.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Enma gives Zoro a power boost but Enma itself is not a power up. Shusui was more of a power up than Enma IMO.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

What's the difference if he releases the same amount of haki through all 3 swords? lol

 

[pg13]

Enma is not a power because Zoro having Enma doesnt instantly mean hes stronger he still needs to train and get used to it, He needs to fight with it and unleash more of its potential activity. Enma is obviously a better sword than the average sword but that doesnt mean anyone will be able to unlock it potential. Zoro has been trying to train his skills with enma since he acquired it and he still got a way to go. Its not like he got a tool and instantly just became stronger. If you believe zoro just became stronger instantly without any training as soon as he held enma then you are delusional, enma is not a raid suit.

He's not gonna get the power instantly but its still a power up...... if Its there to make Zoro stronger at certain point its a power up. idk if people are embarrassed about this or something, or they just don't won't accept it, but the fact is, that sword is going to make Zoro stronger, whether it makes him stronger now or later doesn't matter. People aren't calling this a powerup to discredit Zoro's work ethic.

 

[Fn Lucci]

This is One Piece, Oda isn't obsessed with arbitrary powerlevel arguments and the simple line of thought of ''Zoro+new sword= Stronger Zoro'' is simply closer to the truth and anything that makes a character stronger is a powerup, if someone makes a thread titled '' Is Enma as much of a powerup as Gear 4 and Raid suit?'' then I will vote No but for the purpose of this particular thread the answer is unmistakably Yes.

Arbitrary arguments... like "if this was a video game then Enma is a weapon equip +10 attack"

 

[Raughtale]

Arbitrary arguments... like "if this was a video game then Enma is a weapon equip +10 attack"

Exactly, Oda doesn't think like that, he just follows the linear path of the journey which leads to the simple ''Zoro+new sword= Stronger Zoro''.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Exactly, Oda doesn't think like that, he just follows the linear path of the journey which leads to the simple ''Zoro+new sword= Stronger Zoro''.

It's a fair assumption to say that Oda thinks in a less convoluted way than some fans on relatively small details, but to assert what he does think... no. You can't just say "yeah he sees it like I do."

 

[Raughtale]

It's a fair assumption to say that Oda thinks in a less convoluted way than some fans on relatively small details, but to assert what he does think... no. You can't just say "yeah he sees it like I do."

Fair enough, if after 1000 chapters you don't feel confident that Zoro getting a new sword means he gets stronger there's simply not more to discuss.

 

[HA001]

Fair enough, if after 1000 chapters you don't feel confident that Zoro getting a new sword means he gets stronger there's simply not more to discuss.

Bruh stop being dumb.
Did zoro after holding enma say I AM STRONGER ? No he didnt. So no the new sword DID NOT make him stronger. The training will.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Exactly, Oda doesn't think like that, he just follows the linear path of the journey which leads to the simple ''Zoro+new sword= Stronger Zoro''.

Except then Oda adds complications

Oda has Zoro struggling to use Sandai Kitetsu properly in whiskey peak yet he was showing off in loguetown

Then it’s revealed Zoro wasn’t even using any of his swords properly at all in Alabasta since he didn’t know how to not make them cut paper

Then the first attack Zoro uses with Shusui FAILS

Then Zoro FAILS to cut just a tree with Enma the first time

I mean does anyone else have “power ups” that work like this? Like Did Luffy use G2 and try to run but then overshoot because he wasn’t used to his own speed boost? Did Sanji get diable Jambe and his leg being on fire somehow made his regular kicking style unbalanced? No. No other “power ups” work like Zoro getting a new sword

In fact Zoro already has a “power up” like that, it’s 9 sword Ashura. That’s literally the only one that works like everyone else. It’s just a plain buff.

The difference between Zoro getting a new sword and everyone else is that Oda KNOWS that swords don’t just make you strong in that linear way. I mean Oda worked on Kenshin Himura. He must know something about real swordsmanship unless he wasn’t paying attention to what he was working on

Zoro is a skill fighter on top of being a power fighter. His abilities are way too tied to his skill level to be that linear. For example, if your logic was correct then what’s up with Tashigi. Tashigi collects swords. In fact she’s even collected swords that are BETTER than the sword she herself uses. She has Meito sword and yet one of the swords she collected from a pirate was a Wazimono. Tashigi is always complaining about being weak, why doesn’t she just use one of those better swords if “better sword = better swordsman” so linearly?

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

I guess people who are saying no ... have different definition for power up

Enma is not adding to Zoro strength but it increase his firepower.

if Enma can get Zoro's Haki ... and and give him more DC and than his other swords ... it's a power up

I know it's Zoro's Haki ... but it's also ENMA who's channel it, without it he can't get that type of DC

LMAO no Zoro has been cutting cliffs since PH with Sandai his weakest sword read my original post

 

[Fn Lucci]

Bruh stop being dumb.
Did zoro after holding enma say I AM STRONGER ? No he didnt. So no the new sword DID NOT make him stronger. The training will.

Yeah, there's nothing inherently empowering about Enma itself. Kinemon didn't say it was hard but rewarding, he said he wouldn't even take it. Kawamatsu wasn't praising him for taking an upgrade, why the hell wouldn't he, it was because he made an advantage where there wasn't one.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

I mean ... when Zoro wanted to cut a tree and then he cut a cliff ... that did it for me ...

That's more of a nerf than a power up

 

[Konstantis]

YES, IT WAS SETTLED AND CONFIRMED