Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1002 Spoilers Discussion

[KAIDO D. STRONGER]

Nah, I think you got a point that Kaido got stronger.
By how much do you think though, considering he views Oden still as monstrous and places him in the same manner as Shanks, Xebec, Roger and Whitebeard?

25% , 30%.

Without a doubt ODEN is very strong, with its Ryou and AP levels compared to theirs.

I don't question ODEN as a monster, it's his portrait since childhood, it's how ODA wanted to portray him and he did everything to give readers the impression that he was a monster. With exaggerated talents.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

1. Luffy hasn't gone all out and will be finishing Kaido off in the endgame of this arc.
2. Rayleigh was slightly inferior to Kizaru who is signifcantly inferior to Kaido.

Everyone knows it'll come down to a one on one showdown b/w Luffy and Kaido eventually but he's going to need massive help from everyone else involved for Kaido to reach a level where Luffy will be able to beat him in a one on one which is not needed if Luffy were already as strong Rayleigh. Sure Rayleigh is inferior to Kizaru but Kizaru is not significantly weaker than Kaido.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

I think that scene is a dumb Gag scene as well but that's just me.

Aight my dude, it's all dumb gag scenes.

Whatever, it's a pointless discussion anyway and in the wrong thread, as little as that matters.

 

[sanjikun]

If Luffy is already Old Rayleigh level, he wouldn't need all the help he's getting rn to beat Kaido. No SN from WG is Rayleigh level. Luffy may hit that barrier after tremendously growing stronger post Kaido's fight.

Thanks for making statements backed up by absolutely nothing.

 

[yj]

Kidd in a nutshell

 

[WesMidnight]

Oden old sword has Zoro's haki in it

Also lmao why are u bringing up Luffy ???

Oden's old sword reminding Kaido of Oden is not a feat, you have to be delusional to think it is.

Certain people are creaming themselves over this "feat" when Luffy's feat is over 5 times as impressive and many of them were silent over it, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

 

[bennbeckman]

Aight my dude, it's all dumb gag scenes.

Whatever, it's a pointless discussion anyway and in the wrong thread, as little as that matters.

No shit, there was never a discussion among powerscaling between the 2 to begin with

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

I think that for now it is just a variant of Punk Vice, nothing exagerated. The best will come later

Yes it will :cheers:

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Oden's old sword reminding Kaido of Oden is not a feat, you have to be delusional to think it is.

Certain people are creaming themselves over this "feat" when Luffy's feat is over 5 times as impressive and many of them were silent over it, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Zoro cut Kaido with enma that's why he's reminded of Oden..he wouldnt have said anything otherwise

Also ok but it had nothing to do with my post

 

[bennbeckman]

Oda constructed unique narratives just for Zoro and Sanji, so that they are well known wanted men who's names are yelled out in the same breath by everyone the moment they step up to protect Toko together.

I also forgot to add, please explain to me how this is anyway of any rivalry portraying any type of powerscaling or strength?

 

[uyuu]

Bro where are you getting Enma training gave him fire cutting from? Bro thats your headcanon

Didnt i say since Enma training though? Meaning since he trained with Enma, taming the curse or balancing his haki and whatnot. he didnt get the fire-cutting technique skill before that. Not that Enma magically gave him fire-cutting tech .

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Thanks for making statements backed up by absolutely nothing.

What do you mean? Rayleigh is a top-tier even if he's weaker than the other top-tiers who're in their prime. If you're on the same general level as your opponent then you wouldn't need 4 other people to weaken him. That's common sense.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

No shit, there was never a discussion among powerscaling between the 2 to begin with

 

[Dr. Spook]

Because Law is so trash, he needs to use his best attack from get go to even be a factor.

He won't last till the end.

Tfw you realize Law's 4 year plan all along was to crawl into Kaido's urethra..

 

[sanjikun]

What do you mean? Rayleigh is a top-tier even if he's weaker than the other top-tiers who're in their prime. If you're on the same general level as your opponent then you wouldn't need 4 other people to weaken him. That's common sense.

Prime Rayleigh was not on Kaido's level, let alone Old Rayleigh.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

I also forgot to add, please explain to me how this is anyway of any rivalry portraying any type of powerscaling or strength?

Nah my dude, i wasted enough time here after your latest reply.

You're fine. I don't want to convince you anything, and i'm not getting anything out of this discussion :cheers:

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Prime Rayleigh was not on Kaido's level, let alone Old Rayleigh.

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Zoro wants to surpass Mihawk would probably be a level above him by time EoS is and swordsman inferior to Mihawk is in Kaido's top 5 list of enemies he acknowledges on his level.

 

[MarineHQ]

Prime Rayleigh was not on Kaido's level, let alone Old Rayleigh.

Provide some evidence for that claim otherwise it doesn't mean shit. Old Rayleigh holds up to Kaido and BM in feats, let alone Prime Rayleigh

 

[Monkey D. Jar]

Kaido is a tank, have high endurance.
Most likely awakened his DF.
Taking so many cuts that actually piercing his skin.
Don't think that Kinemon and the other Scabbards are lesser than Luffy, Kidd, Law, killer and Zoro.
Don't take them for granted.

Luffy constantly grows during battle, so he maybe on par with Zoro, Kidd, killer and Law.
There may not be so much difference between them, including Sanji and Jinbe.

 

[sanjikun]

Provide some evidence for that claim otherwise it doesn't mean shit. Old Rayleigh holds up to Kaido and BM in feats, let alone Prime Rayleigh

"Strongest living being land, sea or air". Literally the first introduction panel.