Powers & Abilities How much nerfed Killer was when he fought Zoro compared to Zoro ?
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Zoro couldn't even land a hit before he trapped one of Killer's scythe in his muscles. Killer was mentally unstable, did not even use weapons who remotely looked like his usual ones and still managed to land Zoro a blow the moment he saw an opening. They are evenly matched when Zoro isn't using his power-booster Enma.
Killer probably learned that sonic scythe when the other straw hats were training too. Hence Kaido said they have found ways to bypass his scales. An ability Killer seems to not have had in their first encounter.
Killer would high diff Kamazou using his signature weapons. Mid diff if we count Killer's improvement during those 2 weeks everyone was preparing for the second round against Kaido.
Given how Zoro with a hole in his chest (giving Kamazou a free shot) and a scythe replacing Shusui one shot Kamazou, I'd still say Santoryu Zoro pre Enma would beat current Killer with mid diff or so. With Enma Zoro demolishing him depending on how good the control is.
Killer would high diff Kamazou using his signature weapons. Mid diff if we count Killer's improvement during those 2 weeks everyone was preparing for the second round against Kaido.
Given how Zoro with a hole in his chest (giving Kamazou a free shot) and a scythe replacing Shusui one shot Kamazou, I'd still say Santoryu Zoro pre Enma would beat current Killer with mid diff or so. With Enma Zoro demolishing him depending on how good the control is.
and neither could Killer. Killer was mentally stable is bullshit, and can even be considered a letdown. He was literally given the chance to save his captain, why would he be distressed, it's not like his captain was dead, he just needed to follow orochi's command. And you also forgot the fact that Zoro was flexing his muscle lol. Lastly, stop your pathetic excuse with Enma, Shusui is and will always better than Enma until Zoro fully master it, they both are on the same grade, but Shusui has the edge due to it being a black blade
"Couldn't land a hit" lol they fought for like 10 seconds maybe before Gyukimaru came from behind and tried to cheap shot Zoro.
That's when Killer had a free shot on him and still managed to get one shot by just one serious move from Zoro with only 2 swords afterwards. Killer had 2 scythes and Zoro only 2 of his swords he then took one of Killer's scythes to make a 3 sword style move and ended him instantly.
Reread the chapter its 937.
That's when Killer had a free shot on him and still managed to get one shot by just one serious move from Zoro with only 2 swords afterwards. Killer had 2 scythes and Zoro only 2 of his swords he then took one of Killer's scythes to make a 3 sword style move and ended him instantly.
Reread the chapter its 937.
Because he worked for someone he hated, didn't knew what had happened to the rest of his crew and had to endure a trauma constantly. Killer hates the way he laughs and then he couldn't help but laugh all the time.
Also, read chapter 1001 and 1002. it's obvious that Enma is an upgrade on Shusui and an instant power-up for Zoro now. There is just no denying that fact anymore.
And he one-shoted Zoro, it was just not as fast as Zoro's attack. Zoro who wouldn't even touch him when he used his swords, not weapons who had nothing to do with them. His actual swords. If the fox hadn't interrupted they'd have remained evenly matched for a long time, and Killer was by far the most nerfed of the two.
Also, read chapter 1001 and 1002. it's obvious that Enma is an upgrade on Shusui and an instant power-up for Zoro now. There is just no denying that fact anymore.
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And he one-shoted Zoro, it was just not as fast as Zoro's attack. Zoro who wouldn't even touch him when he used his swords, not weapons who had nothing to do with them. His actual swords. If the fox hadn't interrupted they'd have remained evenly matched for a long time, and Killer was by far the most nerfed of the two.
We know for a fact that Killer killed peoples who made fun of his laugh and stopped laughing entirely, that's how much he hate it, and now he can't help but laugh constantly. That's a trauma here and we know that in OP, mental state plays a huge role in one's strength (as seen with the fight against the CP9 at Water Seven where Luffy and Zoro got wrecked because they hadn't yet made up their mind).
We know that being forced to work against your will for someone you hate is poison in OP, we knows this since Arlong Park and how Nami kept suffering constantly because of it. It's, again, a weigh on the mind which weakens one abilities.
Hell, Haki is basically willpower, so Oda put in place a whole system where if your will weakens, you're weaker !
As for Enma, we know for a fact that it's the sword itself which makes Zoro's attacj that much more dangerous. not his haki, not his mastery of it. the sword. We've know it since it was introduced and slashed a whole cliffside instead of a tree. Yes, it sucks more Haki (willpower) from its users than this user wants to. But it also clearly unleashes far more powerful slashes than any other sword shown so far. Even Shusui isn't as powerful as Enma, that's a fact.
And it's the sword that Kaido and Linlin are afraid off. Not its wielder.
We know that being forced to work against your will for someone you hate is poison in OP, we knows this since Arlong Park and how Nami kept suffering constantly because of it. It's, again, a weigh on the mind which weakens one abilities.
Hell, Haki is basically willpower, so Oda put in place a whole system where if your will weakens, you're weaker !
As for Enma, we know for a fact that it's the sword itself which makes Zoro's attacj that much more dangerous. not his haki, not his mastery of it. the sword. We've know it since it was introduced and slashed a whole cliffside instead of a tree. Yes, it sucks more Haki (willpower) from its users than this user wants to. But it also clearly unleashes far more powerful slashes than any other sword shown so far. Even Shusui isn't as powerful as Enma, that's a fact.
And it's the sword that Kaido and Linlin are afraid off. Not its wielder.
Bro the difference is that Zoro one shot an on guard Killer who still had a scythe in his possession and could've reacted to it by blocking or dodging in some way yet he was one shot since Zoro went serious on him with one move.
Killer on the other hand hit Zoro with a free shot since Zoro was just dodging Gyukimaru's attack who came from behind... there is a major difference.
You say Zoro couldn't land a hit on Killer while they were fighting fairly yet it is the other way around.
Zoro managed to hit and one shot on guard Killer while Killer only managed to hit a off guard Zoro.
Killer on the other hand hit Zoro with a free shot since Zoro was just dodging Gyukimaru's attack who came from behind... there is a major difference.
You say Zoro couldn't land a hit on Killer while they were fighting fairly yet it is the other way around.
Zoro managed to hit and one shot on guard Killer while Killer only managed to hit a off guard Zoro.
you're comparing apple to orange. In Water seven, they had their heart not fixed because they couldnt decide on whose side was Robin in. As for Killer's case, he was literally given the chance to save his Captaion by following orochi's orders, so he already had his resolution there. Zoro threw away his pride twice, to kuma and to mihawk, and now, you're saying killer couldnt do the same? that's a humiliation lol, poor Killer
you again are comparing apple to orange. Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami's. Besides, when has Nami been shown of being mentally unstable?
his mental state was fine when he met luffy and zoro
So instead of being more motivated to save his captain he'd rather let his will down? Lol
you need dictionary to distinguish facts and headcanons xD
And by your logic, enma can swing on its own whim
what a joke
you again are comparing apple to orange. Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami's. Besides, when has Nami been shown of being mentally unstable?
his mental state was fine when he met luffy and zoro
So instead of being more motivated to save his captain he'd rather let his will down? Lol
you need dictionary to distinguish facts and headcanons xD
And by your logic, enma can swing on its own whim
what a joke
Zoro got haki and two swords. If he was one-shoted by Killer it's too easy to say that the fox allowed it. Because when he finally took down Killer, he needed to steal one of his opponent's weapons and use his three-sword style bastardized. That's not a good showing, and it certainly doesn't put him as a lot stronger than Killer.
Yeah, so nor arguments back from you, just the will to deny hard facts. People in OP never fight to their full capabilities when not i step with their friends. Killer had been tortured, was forced to work for someone his hates with the faint hope that it'd save Kidd. It's obvious he was far weaker than his usual self when he fought Zoro.
Also, yes, we have seen Nami being unstable, what with hurting herself, crying when alone and generally being in great emotional pain when working under duress for Arlong.
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you're comparing apple to orange. In Water seven, they had their heart not fixed because they couldnt decide on whose side was Robin in. As for Killer's case, he was literally given the chance to save his Captaion by following orochi's orders, so he already had his resolution there. Zoro threw away his pride twice, to kuma and to mihawk, and now, you're saying killer couldnt do the same? that's a humiliation lol, poor Killer
you again are comparing apple to orange. Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami's. Besides, when has Nami been shown of being mentally unstable?
his mental state was fine when he met luffy and zoro
So instead of being more motivated to save his captain he'd rather let his will down? Lol
you need dictionary to distinguish facts and headcanons xD
And by your logic, enma can swing on its own whim
what a joke
you again are comparing apple to orange. Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami's. Besides, when has Nami been shown of being mentally unstable?
his mental state was fine when he met luffy and zoro
So instead of being more motivated to save his captain he'd rather let his will down? Lol
you need dictionary to distinguish facts and headcanons xD
And by your logic, enma can swing on its own whim
what a joke
Also, yes, we have seen Nami being unstable, what with hurting herself, crying when alone and generally being in great emotional pain when working under duress for Arlong.
Read chapter 955.
I don't get why ppl say "it's only Enma"...
It was said that the only person who was ever able to tame Enma was Oden despite there being samurais with ryu who could damage even Kaido which means in order to wield it in the first place you need to be one of the strongest swordsman/samurai and also haki user there is.
So Zoro + Enma combination is what makes the blade dangerous not Enma itself.
I don't get why ppl say "it's only Enma"...
It was said that the only person who was ever able to tame Enma was Oden despite there being samurais with ryu who could damage even Kaido which means in order to wield it in the first place you need to be one of the strongest swordsman/samurai and also haki user there is.
So Zoro + Enma combination is what makes the blade dangerous not Enma itself.
No arguments? bruh you're blind lol
Killer had been tortured? nonsense, why would Orochi torture his own tool, provide me the panels please lol
and i was talking when Nami met luffy and zoro at the first time. Besides, so in your opinion Killer's ambition is the same as Nami's? and again, Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami
where the facts are you talking about?
Killer had been tortured? nonsense, why would Orochi torture his own tool, provide me the panels please lol
and i was talking when Nami met luffy and zoro at the first time. Besides, so in your opinion Killer's ambition is the same as Nami's? and again, Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami
where the facts are you talking about?
"He needed to steal..." man you're just full of assumptions...
Killer uses a 2 sword fighting style which he had access to with his 2 scythes while zoro uses a 3 sword style which he didnt have access to.
You say killer is weakened cause those are not his ususal weapons is nothing but an assumption and i dont agree with it. Killer was weakend in terms of willpower and spirit but not in terms of his fighting style.
Zoro equaled Killer in Killer's own turf being the 2 sword fighting style while both were casual.
Zoro was jumped by Gyukimaru which allowed for a sneak attack from Killer.
It speaks fking volumes for Zoro's strength that he basically tensed/strained his muscles to capture Killer's blade that just hit him through his shoulder then proceeded to take it out of his shoulder and use it as a 3rd weapon to further proceed to one shot killer with a serious move while Killer was on guard.
Killer uses a 2 sword fighting style which he had access to with his 2 scythes while zoro uses a 3 sword style which he didnt have access to.
You say killer is weakened cause those are not his ususal weapons is nothing but an assumption and i dont agree with it. Killer was weakend in terms of willpower and spirit but not in terms of his fighting style.
Zoro equaled Killer in Killer's own turf being the 2 sword fighting style while both were casual.
Zoro was jumped by Gyukimaru which allowed for a sneak attack from Killer.
It speaks fking volumes for Zoro's strength that he basically tensed/strained his muscles to capture Killer's blade that just hit him through his shoulder then proceeded to take it out of his shoulder and use it as a 3rd weapon to further proceed to one shot killer with a serious move while Killer was on guard.
No arguments? bruh you're blind lol
Killer had been tortured? nonsense, why would Orochi torture his own tool, provide me the panels please lol
and i was talking when Nami met luffy and zoro at the first time. Besides, so in your opinion Killer's ambition is the same as Nami's? and again, Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami
where the facts are you talking about?
Killer had been tortured? nonsense, why would Orochi torture his own tool, provide me the panels please lol
and i was talking when Nami met luffy and zoro at the first time. Besides, so in your opinion Killer's ambition is the same as Nami's? and again, Killer's case wasnt that complex compared to Nami
where the facts are you talking about?
When he landed his hit, he wielded only one scythe, meaning that he had to put the other back in his back to switch a stance, which is fundamentally different from the way Killer fight normally. He was able to swtich between the two/one sycthe style before, but when he went for the kill, he could only do so with one at a time, meaning that his stance was fundamentally different from what it was usually.