Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[ShishioIsBack]

Maybe. But we have no proof either way. Oda essentially shat on his "not touching" concept.

"Advanced CoA" is just a b.s. powerup because Oda felt Luffy needed a powerup to beat Kaido. Waste of fucking time. We can't even see it. Wtf is the point of a new move, if we have no idea if it's being used.

Zoro's Haki > Oden's Haki > Luffy's Haki

 

[sanjikun]

I think it's simpler to assume that Red Roc had internal destruction COA and his Boundman attacks had Barrier COA. It's more parsimonious than assuming basic COA is now strong enough to hurt Kaido (despite Luffy learning the advanced COA to hurt Kaido), and Luffy is choosing to just not use advanced COA.

Luffy never used high impact moves with basic CoA in 923. KKG would surely fuck up Kaido if a bunch of rocks dropping on him or Kid's moves are hurting.

This "needs Ryou" b.s. has been debunked. Kong Organ is just a shit move and Oda picked it on purpose.

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Zoro's Haki > Oden's Haki > Luffy's Haki

Well I always said Zoro's hardening > Luffy's hardening.

 

[Hades]

Luffy fans can’t even take one week of slander towards their boy.
Kidd fans deal with this shit every week lol.

I am a Luffy fan but there is a good reason to criticize Luffy and by extension Oda...dude is going against Yonkos and can't he realise that 20-30 minutes of G4 won't do shit to them and has 10 minutes cooldown...in that 10 minutes cooldown he will be literally sitting duck....what he will do if there are no SN or Zoro..in Dressrosa Law bailed him out/in WCI Nami and Brulee bailed him out...atleast he had experience of going through that and yet he repeated the same thing and didn't even try to think about alternatives or improvement at all? does someone has to bail him out all the time?... this kind of game plan is even worse than Kidd collecting scrap to fight....G3 red roc is far better than whatever he pulled he using G4...what was the outcome? haki wastage but no damage output...what was even the point....
a fan doesn't mean that he should defend any kind of shit...it is not slander, it is criticism...

 

[ShishioIsBack]

@Cinera How big are these hills?
Like 300, 400 meters each? Kaido seems smaller than these

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Well I always said Zoro's hardening > Luffy's hardening.

But also Zoro's mastery.
Zoro has Gol D Roger like Haki, while Luffy has Rayleigh like Haki

 

[Cinera]

Kid's moves are hurting.

Punk Gibson is simply stronger than Boundman.

This "needs Ryou" b.s. has been debunked.

I agree that Kaido can be hurt without Ryuo. Boundman in particular was unable to do so.

Kong Organ is just a shit move and Oda picked it on purpose.

Nah, only you believes that. Kong Organ hasn't been portrayed as particularly weak. I think Oda just replaced Organ with Gatling for aesthetic purposes.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I'm prob one of the best t powerscale actually.
There's no defined "stronger" or "weaker" among Kaido's human form and Dragon form, they have different advantages.
Oden is weaker than all concrete top tiers, he's outclassed by Mihawk completely, and Mihawk roughly equals Admirals.



That gravity attack from Fuji is like one of his weakest techniques, and we don't know if Zoro's growth makes up the gap shown in that technique.
Fujitora sent Luffy out of the island, Battlefield Removal.
G3 Luffy made Kaido's eye go white, which is worse than what he did to Fuji, with a weaker attack(the one on Fuji is a spinning Elephant Gun, like Elephant Rifle).
Kaido tanked a pseudo G4 attack, then KOed Luffy while he's angered(no future sight), emotionally triggered = devastating defeat, as Law stated what happened in his first fight against Doflamingo, their actual gap aren't that big. Kaido is getting bodied by takt, and 3 sword style that's not even an ougi.

Dude what are you talking about red rock had adv haki...you can't compare current luffy to dressora luffy. Be real luffy was doing quite good in his base , flying is much better than ko in g4 form...

 

[Cinera]

@Cinera How big are these hills?
Like 300, 400 meters each? Kaido seems smaller than these

A few hundred metres is a good estimate.

 

[HA001]

I am a Luffy fan but there is a good reason to criticize Luffy and by extension Oda...dude is going against Yonkos and can't he realise that 20-30 minutes of G4 won't do shit to them and has 10 minutes cooldown...in that 10 minutes cooldown he will be literally sitting duck....what he will do if there are no SN or Zoro..in Dressrosa Law bailed him out/in WCI Nami and Brulee bailed him out...atleast he had experience of going through that and yet he repeated the same thing and didn't even try to think about alternatives or improvement at all? does someone has to bail him out all the time?... this kind of game plan is even worse than Kidd collecting scrap to fight....G3 red roc is far better than whatever he pulled he using G4...what was the outcome? haki wastage but no damage output...what was even the point....
a fan doesn't mean that he should defend any kind of shit...it is not slander, it is criticism...

Id love to laugh at this but this criticism doesnt make any sense to me.
Haki is finite. In g4 hes constantly using it to cover his body and now wastes even more by flowing it out of his fists.
Having better control wouldnt take away the fact hes using up his haki in g4.

 

[stairs-kun]

Need pics and detailed summary.

 

[MonsterKaido]

@Cinera How big are these hills?
Like 300, 400 meters each? Kaido seems smaller than these

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But also Zoro's mastery.
Zoro has Gol D Roger like Haki, while Luffy has Rayleigh like Haki

Yes those horns are very big. Huge aoe feat from zoro.

 

[Hades]

You mean to say luffy is stupid when he already knows he can't hurt him without the ryou he trained but still wasted all of his haki. :kizabat:

By the looks of it, it is the case...barrier haki is explained as something like hurting/punching without touching the person but in panels all Luffy did was same thing he did in 923 with new moves and old techniques like Rhino schnider which he didn't use in 923. And Oda didn't make it clear whether he was using or not expect for red roc...

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Yes those horns are very big. Huge aoe feat from zoro.

Its not an AOE, Its a Raw force, DC and attack power feat from Zoro.

 

[Lunaria]

If I understand correctly, it's not that Kaido can't be hurt without advanced CoA, it's just that he can only receive life threatening injuries if you attack him with advanced CoA.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Punk Gibson is simply stronger than Boundman.

*Punk Rotten
Punk Gibson is the attack he used on Apoo.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

If I understand correctly, it's not that Kaido can't be hurt without advanced CoA, it's just that he can only receive life threatening injuries if you attack him with advanced CoA.

Its not just advanced CoA
A sword master with basic Ryou can also hurt Kaido tho basic Ryou in itself is "advanced CoA".
Advanced CoA is just a tag line, it is a different application of CoA.
Internal destruction CoA bypasses durability
Swordsmen with Ryou can use ability to "cut everything and nothing" where they cut most durable of objects with swiftness and mastery rather than raw force.

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*Punk Rotten
Punk Gibson is the attack he used on Apoo.

Kidd is weak bro.
Zoro low diffs
Legit

 

[Hades]

Id love to laugh at this but this criticism doesnt make any sense to me.
Haki is finite. In g4 hes constantly using it to cover his body and now wastes even more by flowing it out of his fists.
Having better control wouldnt take away the fact hes using up his haki in g4.

haki is finite but wouldn't it be same for everyone and yet only Luffy has issues with haki? anyways my point is why is wasting so much haki by using the same G4? why didn't he think of any alternative? why didn't he try to improve g2/g3 with newly learnt haki as G4 is haki sucking with less output (atleast against top dogs) ? G3 red roc did a better job and so why can't he use such similar moves to conserve more energy and fight for a longer time instead of having someone protect him for 10 minutes? in g2/g3 he was able to use haki for around 10 hours (Katakuri fight) why can't he just improve from that?

 

[MonsterKaido]

Luffy running out of haki so fast doen't makes sense. Top tiers can fight for days , do they also run out of haki?

 

[sanjikun]

Punk Gibson is simply stronger than Boundman.


I agree that Kaido can be hurt without Ryuo. Boundman in particular was unable to do so.


Nah, only you believes that. Kong Organ hasn't been portrayed as particularly weak. I think Oda just replaced Organ with Gatling for aesthetic purposes.

Punk Gibson is stronger than 923 King Kong Gun or Kong Gatling? Get real.

Nah, only you believes that. Kong Organ hasn't been portrayed as particularly weak. I think Oda just replaced Organ with Gatling for aesthetic purposes.

No, a Gatling is a Gatling. There is a Hawk Gatling, Elephant Gatling, now a Kong Gatling. It was clear as day Kong Organ was weak.

I literally made a thread about this before he even showed us Kong Gatling.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Zoro is weak bro.
Kidd low diffs
Legit

You had some typos. I got you though

 

[HA001]

haki is finite but wouldn't it be same for everyone and yet only Luffy has issues with haki? anyways my point is why is wasting so much haki by using the same G4? why didn't he think of any alternative? why didn't he try to improve g2/g3 with newly learnt haki as G4 is haki sucking with less output (atleast against top dogs) ? G3 red roc did a better job and so why can't he use such similar moves to conserve more energy and fight for a longer time instead of having someone protect him for 10 minutes? in g2/g3 he was able to use haki for around 10 hours (Katakuri fight) why can't he just improve from that?

Luffy running out of haki so fast doen't makes sense. Top tiers can fight for days , do they also run out of haki?

Because no one else wastes haki like he does thats why its just him.
Why would he keep using g3 ? You realise kaido LET red roc hit him cause he thought he wouldnt get hurt.
He made g4 because g2 is too weak and g3 too slow did you even read dressrosa ?
Even in the kata fight he had to leave the mirror world to survive. Dont forget that. Like i said g3 too slow g2 too weak.