Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[Shisui]

Kaido gets scared of the oden under his bed

It's getting annoying tbh. If he wanted Oden so bad, he should have had a proper one one one rather than putting a bullet through his head.

 

[Indigo]

Zoro's Performance so far
Zoro's accomplishments this fight:

• Defence
  • Protected Luffy from Mama's Heavenly Fire
  • Protected Luffy from Kaido's Boro Breath
  • Protected Luffy from Mama's Cognac
  • Protected all Supernova from Kaido's tornadoes
  • Rescued Luffy from Kaido's Chomp
  • Protected Luffy from Kaido's Wind Scythes
• Offence
  • His Rengoku Oni Giri earned him a compliment from Kaido:
    
    
  • His Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou
    • Mama:
      
      
    • Kaido
      
      
  • Carved up Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki:
    • Blood spurted from his body:
      
      
    • Made him repeatedly cough up blood:
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
  • It briefly knocked Kaido down:
    
    
• Portrayal
  • Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
  • Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
    • The only other attack he acknowledged was Red Roc
    • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife, Kidd's Slam Gibson, and Luffy's Kong Rifle "tricks":
      
      
    • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
      
      
  • Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
    • The only other attack she acknowledged was Red Roc
  • Kaido noticed that he bears Oden's Katana

I think Zoro is the MVP. Luffy did significantly more damage to Kaido with Kong Gatling, but Zoro hurt him significantly, and protected Luffy four times this chapter and the other Supernova once.


Yonkou Attacks History
I'm going off memory here, so I may have missed a few.

• Luffy
  • Kaido
    1. Basic Club Swing
       1. Dodged and countered by Red Roc
    2. Thunder Bagua
       1. Partially dodged
    3. Basic Club Swing
       1. Rescued by Law
    4. Demolition Gust
       1. Dodged and countered with Kong Rifle
    5. Boro Breath
       1. Rescued by Zoro
    6. Boro Breath
       1. Withstood
    7. Tornadoes
       1. Rescued by Zoro
    8. Dragon Chomp
       • Rescued by Zoro
    9. Multitude of Wind Scythes
       1. Rescued by Zoro
  • Mama
    1. Heavenly Fire
       1. Rescued by Zoro
    2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
       1. Immune by virtue of Devil Fruit
    3. Cognac
       1. Rescued by Zoro
• Zoro
  • Kaido
    1. Basic Club Swing
       1. Countered with Rengoku Oni Giri
    2. Demolition Gust
       1. Deflected
    3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
       1. Dodged
  • Mama
    1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
       1. Withstood
• Kidd
  • Kaido
    1. Demolition Gust
       1. Withstood
    2. Tornadoes
       1. Rescued by Zoro
    3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
       1. Withstood
  • Mama
    1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
       1. Withstood
• Law
  • Kaido
    1. Demolition Gust
       1. Dodged
    2. Chomp
       1. Dodged
    3. Multitude of Wind Scythes
       1. Dodged
  • Mama
    1. God of Lightning: Tenjin
       1. Withstood
• Killer
  • Kaido
    1. Basic Club Swing
       1. Countered with Beheading Claw
    2. Demolition Gust
       1. Dodged
    3. Dragon Chomp
       1. Rescued by Luffy
    4. Tornadoes
       1. Rescued by Zoro
    5. Multitude of Wind Scythes
       1. Dodged
  • Mama
    1. Indra
       1. Withstood
    2. God of Lightning: Tenjin
       1. Withstood

Excluding God of Lightning: Tenjin (immune due to DF ability), Luffy needed to be rescued from Mama's other attacks by Zoro. Against Kaido, he cleanly dodged two attacks, partially dodged one, was rescued for five and withstood one.

Luffy's total confirmed attacks were 12. He was rescued for more than half of them.

The total confirmed attacks on all Supernova (some double counting due to multi target attacks) is 29.

Luffy has taken around 41% of Yonkou attacks; a plurality, but not the majority I've seen others claiming. And he was rescued for more than half of those attacks.


Supernova Damage Scoreboard
My estimate of damage done to Kaido and Mama so far:
My heuristic is that the Kong Gun Luffy used in Chapter 1000 did 1 point of damage (Kaido barely reacted to it at all).

• Luffy
  • Red Roc: 15 points
    • Knocked Kaido to the ground
    • Made Luffy compare him to the others he fought who could harm him
    • Mama acknowledged him
  • Kong Gun: 1 point
  • Kong Rifle: 2 points
    • Stronger than a Kong Gun
    • Was called a "trick" by Kaido
  • Rhino Schneider: 1.5 points
  • Kong Gatling: 60 points
    • Dozens of Kong Guns
    • Shocked Mama
    • Stupefied Kidd
    • Made Kaido cough up blood
    • Knocked Kaido down for several panels
  • Total: 74.5 points
• Zoro
  • Rengoku Oni Giri: 1.5 points
    • Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
  • Hiryuu Kaen: 0 points
    • It didn't land
    • Had it landed, I think it would have been at least 100 points
      • Terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge
      • Environmental destruction was orders of magnitude greater than for Kong Gatling
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki: 30 points
    • Carved up Kaido, making him spurt blood, and repeatedly cough up blood
    • Mama acknowledged his attack as having been successful
    • Kaido acknowledged his attack as having been successful
    • Killer expressed surprise at his attack working
  • Total: 31.5 points
• Killer
  • Beheading Claw: 1.5 points
    • Kaido complimented him and Killer with "well done".
  • Scyther Sonic: 8 points
    • It turned Kaido's eyes white.
    • Kaido called it "vexing"
      • As opposed to the "tricks" he called the others
    • While it did internal damage, it did not cause Kaido to cough up blood
  • Total: 9.5 points
• Law
  • Rock Spam: 2 points
    • Kaido screamed in pain, he reacted to it much more than Kidd or Luffy's attack
  • Gamma Knife: 5 points
    • It should be stronger than rock spam
    • Kaido screamed in pain
    • Kaido called it a "trick"
  • Counter Shock: 3 points
    • Mama is less durable than Kaido
    • She seemed to visibly react to it
  • Total: 10 points
• Kidd:
  • Crush: 1 point
    • No real indication it hurt more than Kong Gun
  • Slam Gibson: 2 points
    • Kaido called it a "trick"
  • Total: 3 points

Luffy has dealt the most damage so far, Zoro is a distant second, Law and Killer are neck and neck for 3rd and 4th, Kidd is a relatively distant 5th.

I arbitrarily decided that Kong Gatling should be double Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki after my debate with @WesMidnight. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido down for a few panels, and that's something Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki failed to accomplish.


Conclusions
I think Zoro is the MVP by virtue of saving Luffy six times and all other Supernova once, but that's another matter entirely. Had Hiryuu Kaen landed, he would have dealt the most damage overall and being a distant first. As is, Luffy is a close runner up by virtue of dealing more damage than all other Supernova combined and attracting most of the attention of the Yonkou.

Commentary and feedback is welcome. I would update this on convincing arguments.

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Cinera thank you for all these posts, they are great summaries of the fights. Don't let people tell you it's a waste of time and energy, if it means anything at least know i appreciate them, but i'm pretty sure you don't really care what people think and these posts are fun to make for yourself.

 

[enelminemreborn]

O oda was saving Sanji so he can fight Hybrid Kaido

big l Lsanji gonna provide some meals for the boys

 

[Shisui]

oden's prob yamato's grandpa at this point cause kaido is so close to calling him daddy.

Thisssssssss. He is shameless

 

[Mugiwara56]

You should write in english. Most people here certainely don't understand french.

sorry i said i hurt for kid fanboys

 

[Erkan12]

Funny you should say that, because people DO use Jozu blocking Mihawk's long range flying slash (already confirmed by Zoro to being weaker than closed range slashes during Dressrosa) and Vista blocking and clashing with Mihawk for 2 panels as argument for Mihawk being YC1 at most, completely disregarding his portrayal as a Shanks equal and his title as WSS.

He doesn't have portrayal equal to Shanks. Shanks fought strongest WB and Kaido 1 v 1. Mihawk did not.

Nothing proves Shanks at full power is only a swordsman. WSS doesn't mean shit for him. Kaido will spank mihawk level Wano Zoro and others at the same time soon enough while Mihawk can't beat Vista.

 

[Akai]

Funny you should say that, because people DO use Jozu blocking Mihawk's long range flying slash (already confirmed by Zoro to being weaker than closed range slashes during Dressrosa) and Vista blocking and clashing with Mihawk for 2 panels as argument for Mihawk being YC1 at most, completely disregarding his portrayal as a Shanks equal and his title as WSS.

There is a difference between clashing/ blocking once and exchange a few attacks. The downside for Mihawk here is that vista is YC2-3 and Mihawk was actually happy to „fight“ him for a few blows. I don’t wanna start a Mihawk discussion here. But just point out that there is a difference between blocking and exchanging blows

 

[Ice devil slayer]

The gap between Luffy, Zoro and the rest of the Supernova is so damn big.

Based on current showings, Luffy and Zoro absolutely murder Kidd, Law and Killer. Hell, the trio may not even push them to medium difficulty.

I agree
By current portrayal and feats
They stomp them lmfao

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Oda was saving Sanji so he can fight Hybrid Kaido

 

[Buusatan94]

sorry i said i hurt for kid fanboys

It's just that on some forums I have been before, people got their message erased for not being written in english. It's good to see a fellow french here.

 

[OPKnK]

People shouldn't forget Zoro's whole focus has been on to protect Luffy. Only with first attack and last chapter attack he went on complete offence for one attack, and Oda choose that it should miss probably for plot reasons.

Even this chapters attack was to save Luffy, I'm not saying it didn't have offensive power, it certainly did as it hurt Kaido, but Zoro's mindset was to save Luffy.

And Luffy whole mindset is on attack with recklessness on top of it, probably he knows that Zoro is there to protect him. Because of this Luffy had landed more hits than Zoro. But I would agrue Zoro still has better showing overall.

So I would agree Zoro again is the MVP of this chapter. And he's still has the most potential to show more.

Luffy going to need to be protected like that while the Yonko attacking him .
Mind you he only really need protecting in his base form as we saw last chapter he dodge and could tank bolo and BM attack.

 

[Geo]

Zoro's tatsumaki did superficial damage and had lower portrayal than Luffy's red roc

So false

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

 

[Finalbeta]

Oda was saving Sanji so he can fight Hybrid Kaido

I want to see Sanji attempting to take on Kaido too to be honest, I'm so curious to find out what glorious feats he comes off with lol.............

 

[OEKaneki]

Oda is funnily portraying a consistent gap lying between Zoro and Luffy too recently.

- Like Luffy's G4 doesn't last much
- Regardless Zoro's base has more AP than G4, imagine under Asura
- Lastly Luffy is not even as durable as Kaido and less enduring than Zoro anyways

The only thing correct about this is that Oda is portraying a consistent gap between Luffy and Zoro, and it’s massive in Luffy’s favor, as it always has been. Saying that Luffy’s G4 is less powerful than anything Zoro can do is absolute fanboy trash, as is saying he’s less durable than Zoro. Stop.

The gap between Luffy, Zoro and the rest of the Supernova is so damn big.

Based on current showings, Luffy and Zoro absolutely murder Kidd, Law and Killer. Hell, the trio may not even push them to medium difficulty.

Lol, no? Luffy beats Law and Kid on his own, not having anything to do with Zoro. Zoro does not beat Law and Kid. He’s not on the level of people that are Luffy’s rivals. He drew against someone that is a subordinate of one of those rivals.

 

[Seth]

 

[enelminemreborn]

i actiually like this zoro and luffy

 

[LemonadeCandy]

When was the last time we've had Oda focus on a single fight for 3 straight chapters? Feels like ages ago. Some of these panels also look visually great (Luffy's final Kong Gun strike, Kaido and Zoro's tornado moves).

Gotta say that Kid has been kinda disappointing in all of these exchanges though. He feels like a idle spectator sometimes....

 

[Mugiwara56]

It's just that on some forums I have been before, people got their message erased for not being written in english. It's good to see a fellow french here.

Yeah bro

 

[Finalbeta]

The only thing correct about this is that Oda is portraying a consistent gap between Luffy and Zoro, and it’s massive in Luffy’s favor, as it always has been. Saying that Luffy’s G4 is less powerful than anything Zoro can do is absolute fanboy trash, as is saying he’s less durable than Zoro. Stop.

The latest chapters suggest differently. Your knowledge about Zoro's attack potency lacks and I said less enduring than Zoro, not less durable.