Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion
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I will preface this by saying I am a Luffy fan.
Pirate King isn't necessarily a strength level although in Luffy's generation is may have been.
However, Luffy is using help for every fight. [Law, Nami, Supernova, ppl of Dressrosa etc]
Zoro is NOT above Luffy, but given this is semi-(his arc/heritage) Zoro will do some bold shit.
In WCI, Sanji did what Luffy couldn't. He defeated Big Mom with food.
In Wano, Zoro will do what Luffy can't. Killing a Dragon as a representative of the Wano Nation.
Whether you like it or not, Tatsumaki made Kaido bleed and KGG Boundman didn't.
Also, Luffy popped his G4. He is now a Liability.
I am wondering why Oda incorporated this other than for tension/stakes/plot reasons.
Possibly as a troublesome ender for A3.
Pirate King isn't necessarily a strength level although in Luffy's generation is may have been.
However, Luffy is using help for every fight. [Law, Nami, Supernova, ppl of Dressrosa etc]
Zoro is NOT above Luffy, but given this is semi-(his arc/heritage) Zoro will do some bold shit.
In WCI, Sanji did what Luffy couldn't. He defeated Big Mom with food.
In Wano, Zoro will do what Luffy can't. Killing a Dragon as a representative of the Wano Nation.
Whether you like it or not, Tatsumaki made Kaido bleed and KGG Boundman didn't.
Also, Luffy popped his G4. He is now a Liability.
I am wondering why Oda incorporated this other than for tension/stakes/plot reasons.
Possibly as a troublesome ender for A3.
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Yeah, I'm aware, hence why I wasn't discussing this in the specific context of the panels (anyways, if Big Mom actually said "dodge it", I'd rather have it translated as such). In my opinion, this particular translation could be better.
All of those aren't really the meanings of the phrasal verb, those are the actions taken by its receiver depending on the situation after being warned by said phrasal verbs and/or the additional intention given to the warning per se (more of a pragmatic language issue, not definitions). In this particular context, unless I'm wrong, the Japanese text indeed has Linlin telling Kaido to dodge, yet it was translated with the way more generic "look out". Sure, you may argue that in this context we can interpret that she wanted him to dodge, and while I'd agree, let's not forget this is a story about superhumans with a wide range of resources to manage an attack and nothing really supports in the English translation alone (for a reader that isn't aware of what the Japanese says, unlike us) that Linlin is telling Kaido to dodge instead of taking care of himself (whether by dodging, protecting with haki, countering the attack Kaku did in Enies Lobby or whatever you may come up with). This is also where my complain on people's headcanon comes to play, because they are freely assuming this is a "train/car/etc. hit" situation instead of any other threatening Kaido that doesn't necessarily require dodging.
While my original posts discussed the wrong idea that "look out" and "dodge" are synonyms (no, they aren't, dodging is one possible answer to "look out" and/or pragmatic layer to its definition), there's also the problem that an English-only reader can legit understand that Big Mom is telling Kaido to take some kind of action to protect himself from the attack because 1) they lack the extra information from the original text, as we do, using "dodge" or something very similar; and 2) Kaido is the strongest creature in the world and he's expected to have other resources, apart from dodging, to manage the threat (and the reader has no way to infere Linlin wants him to dodge and dodge alone; and context isn't a reliable clue because it is biased by our additional knowledge and/or headcanons on the outcome if Zoro had landed).
I hope I explained myself properly.
All of those aren't really the meanings of the phrasal verb, those are the actions taken by its receiver depending on the situation after being warned by said phrasal verbs and/or the additional intention given to the warning per se (more of a pragmatic language issue, not definitions). In this particular context, unless I'm wrong, the Japanese text indeed has Linlin telling Kaido to dodge, yet it was translated with the way more generic "look out". Sure, you may argue that in this context we can interpret that she wanted him to dodge, and while I'd agree, let's not forget this is a story about superhumans with a wide range of resources to manage an attack and nothing really supports in the English translation alone (for a reader that isn't aware of what the Japanese says, unlike us) that Linlin is telling Kaido to dodge instead of taking care of himself (whether by dodging, protecting with haki, countering the attack Kaku did in Enies Lobby or whatever you may come up with). This is also where my complain on people's headcanon comes to play, because they are freely assuming this is a "train/car/etc. hit" situation instead of any other threatening Kaido that doesn't necessarily require dodging.
While my original posts discussed the wrong idea that "look out" and "dodge" are synonyms (no, they aren't, dodging is one possible answer to "look out" and/or pragmatic layer to its definition), there's also the problem that an English-only reader can legit understand that Big Mom is telling Kaido to take some kind of action to protect himself from the attack because 1) they lack the extra information from the original text, as we do, using "dodge" or something very similar; and 2) Kaido is the strongest creature in the world and he's expected to have other resources, apart from dodging, to manage the threat (and the reader has no way to infere Linlin wants him to dodge and dodge alone; and context isn't a reliable clue because it is biased by our additional knowledge and/or headcanons on the outcome if Zoro had landed).
I hope I explained myself properly.
and said they have oden s ryou
WTF, so Kaido generally doesn't know what Advanced CoA is?
Kaido knows what Ryou is since he literally has a club that he needs to imbue with haki. Oden's Ryou however is special.
For the scarbbards, they probably learnt the Oden ryou thing by being with him. Whilst Zoro never met Oden, so it makes no sense for him to use the same ryou as Oden. Thus it means nothing like Zoro's haki being the same as Oden's haki. This **** Zoro is straight up using the Oden's haki within his sword.
Enma's power is Oden's stored Ryou within the blade.
For the scarbbards, they probably learnt the Oden ryou thing by being with him. Whilst Zoro never met Oden, so it makes no sense for him to use the same ryou as Oden. Thus it means nothing like Zoro's haki being the same as Oden's haki. This **** Zoro is straight up using the Oden's haki within his sword.
Enma's power is Oden's stored Ryou within the blade.
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