Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1003 Spoilers Discussion

[spawn]

Zoro's haki and Oden's aura.

 

[zzShinichi]

Thanks, yeah it was in SBS 96

The SBS said that : trad from Artur and the wikia :

1. He forges the "Enma" and bestows it to the heir of the Kozuki Family, Oden.

Man i just realized how...young are Zoro's swords. Like Enma, Sandai, Wado are no more than 50 years old. That's pretty new considering Shusui is like 800/900 years old now?

 

[Zowo]

After doubting ViZ , now they seek and put their faith into other translators opinions

The dude posted what he thinks about the dialogue.
"I think Kaido is saying that Zoro is using the same level of haki as Oden..."

Kaido didn't say that. His speech was clear.
There's no " is he using the same haki as Oden" or " i see he's using the same ryuo as Oden"

Oda made it so to differentiate Zoro's case from Retainers.
Kaido wouldn't be shock again after witnessing Luffy and Retainers.
>With Retainers he asked if they were using the same haki as Oden... then made sure but was disappointed that they lacked the power
>With Luffy, he asked how is he doing it...then realised Luffy's growth, then compares him to Oden and 4 others.
>with Zoro, he feels Oden's presence then makes sure if it is in fact his haki/presence and confirms that this is indeed Oden's sword!

Nothing about Kaido confirming Zoro has Oden's level of haki or Zoro is strong as Oden but more about "this haki...this is indeed his Sword."

i guess oden donated some haki to scabbards to from heaven

 

[Fujishiro]

Santoryu Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki is much stronger; it overwhelmed Kaido's tornadoes and carved him up.

@Fujishiro: given that we've seen all that Dragon!Kaido has to offer, I remain steadfast in my belief that he's inferior to Santoryu Zoro.

I don’t think he is, Zoros and Luffys as well as others combined we’re dealing with Dragon Kaido. Zoro alone is not superior to that, I’m sorry.

You’re gonna get yourself burned mate.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I guess Blackbeard has Whitebeard's haki/ghost haunting him too

You just posted a a page showing Teach had indeed WB'S fruit
People wondered the stance and Teach proved it

Same thing here,
Kaido wonders and confirms it is indeed Oden's sword by feeling/sensing Oden's haki in Enma!

If it wasn't about enma...he wouldn't end his speech by saying
".. ah i see ,it is Oden's katana !"
He would just hype Zoro's haki.

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Why are only the Captains shown on that page ? :kizabat:

Oda cant just draw all 5 people every single time with every reaction....
besides the real question is....why was Kaido and BM so excited huh ? ...dare to answer ?

 

[Pantheos]

you want to go that route .....
sounds uh hypocritical ....

You know this is a joke. I never banned anyone cause of a personal opinion or some personal stuff, you should know that.

 

[Uncle Van]

At this point in time, I think we can agree that the after effects of G4 is dependent on the liberties Oda wants to take.....

 

[Fujishiro]

This is not going to change anything for the usual disingenuous suspects, but:

• Kaido detecting Oden's haki from Zoro's Enma is no different from Kaido perceiving Oden's Ryuo in the Scabbards attack:
  
  
  • As I explained at length in this thread, the reason is because both the Scabbards and Enma bear Oden's unfulfilled will.
  • If you disagree with the above, and want to debate with me on it, then do so after reading the above thread. If you quote/mention me, and it seems like you haven't read that thread, I will IGNORE you.
    • In general, if you tag me and are saying dumb shit or seem transparently disingenuous, I'll place you on ignore.
      • I do not care for your imaginary Ls and Ws, so don't involve me in them.
• Mama is surprised at Zoro cutting Kaido. This suggests that Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki dealt significant damage.
  • She did not comment that Killer, Law or Kidd's attack damaged Kaido.
  • @Fujishiro, @RayanOO, @Bogard, @Luffy is the mc, @LANJI CUCKSMOKE, @Doggo. @WesMidnight
  • It should be more damage than any other attack (with the potential exception of Kong Rifle).
    • Kaido previously called Law's Gamma Knife a "trick":
      
      
    • He called Killer's Scyther Sonic "vexing":
      
      
  • The only other attack, she commented hurt Kaido was Red Roc.
• Kaido acknowledged that Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki hurt him
  • The only other attack Kaido acknowledged hurt him was Red Roc.
• Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki received the same recognition/treatment as Luffy's Red Roc
• Kaido has noticed that Enma is Oden's katana.
• He directly deploys a tornado in response to Zoro.
  • Kaido has been showing the increased interest in Zoro that I predicted.
  • I expect that Kaido will show increased interest in Zoro next chapter.
    • He'll want to test if Zoro is the Samurai that he has been waiting for.

My tentative conclusions so far from this chapter:

• As predicted, Zoro and Luffy have dealt 80%+ of the damage against Kaido.
  • They're the only two whose attacks have been acknowledged by both Yonkou.
    • Luffy's Red Roc
    • Zoro's Hiryuu Kaen
    • Zoro's Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki
  • Kidd and Killer have been annoyances; Law has been useful the two times he saved Luffy.
• The MVP of this chapter is Zoro.
  • The MVP of all future chapters will continue to be Luffy and Zoro.
• Kidd and Killer will eventually be reduced to the role of cheerleaders, commenting on Luffy and Zoro's amazing power.
  • We already saw the first specters of that in this chapter, with Kidd commenting on Boundman.
• Kaido has begun to take interest in Zoro. This will continue until Kaido finally recognises Zoro as a worthy bearer of Oden's mantle.

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Surprised at Zoro cutting him doesn’t equate significant damage you know.

Just like she was surprised Luffy hurt him with red roc.

 

[Bogard]

Why, then, Ryuma's sword, being the black blade, does not have Ryuma's Haki? And Enma is not a black blade, why would it has Haki Oden? How can Khaki be in the sword for 20 years? Haki is not endless, Luffy won and 10 minutes now was not enough for 4 gear. More and more I wonder what dumb people Zoro haters are. They just don't have logic.

Enma has a specific property of absorbing the user's ryou. It can't really be compared to Shusui

 

[enelminemreborn]

i guess oden donated some haki to scabbards to from heaven
buffoon

BRO IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE ARE NOT REALIZING THAT ANYTHING ODEN DID TO hurt kaido is his in kaidos its oden sword its odens haki its odens presence

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

You know a fandom is amazing when you don't know which ones are the worsts, the fanboys of a characters or the haters of that character.

 

[Fujishiro]

@Cinera I think you shouldn’t deal with extremes, ie an attack is either nullified or dealing big damage, or instead of an attack being a bit stronger, it being much stronger. I don’t know why you can’t find a middle ground lmao.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

You know this is a joke. I never banned anyone cause of a personal opinion or some personal stuff, you should know that.

ofc
you are my burner account and I never do that

 

[Geo]

So Lets recap.
Kaido mentions he felt Oden's presence in the sword last chapter.
> Anti Zoro brigade read it as Oden's haki in the sword.

Kaido mentions Zoro's form of haki
>Anti Zoro brigade claim he is talking about Oden's haki

Kaido mentions Oden's sword in current chapter.
> Anti Zoro brigade reads it as Oden's haki again?

Big Mom says last chapter that Enma isn't an ordinary sword
> Anti Zoro brigade claim that it is the sword which made the attack.

Big Mom says in current chapter that Zoro cut Kaido
> Anti Zoro brigade claim that it is Enma which cut Kaido.

Is this delusion or can't these people read?

 

[zzShinichi]

You just posted a a page showing Teach had indeed WB'S fruit
People wondered the stance and Teach proved it

Same thing here,
Kaido wonders and confirms it is indeed Oden's sword by feeling/sensing Oden's haki in Enma!

If it wasn't about enma...he wouldn't end his speech by saying
".. ah i see ,it is Oden's katana !"
He would just hype Zoro's haki.

Yeah, the point of the confrontation is to confirm that Zoro has Oden's sword, along side with its ultitiy, such as pulling out Zoro's haki and making that weird flowing Aura, which Kaidou regards as "strange form of haki" . Kaidou never confirmed that it's Oden's haki. Just like Marco never confirmed that BB had WB's ghost or haki. He just confirmed that BB did indeed have WB's Gura Gura power.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Good you've gotten first part right

He bothers with the sword because it is Oden's sword

He felt Oden's presence. Presence is not haki. Are you insinuating Kaido doesn't know the difference between presence and Haki?
Which manga directly contradicts since Kaido has already stated "Oden's haki" before. So why didn't he say "Oden's haki" last chapter and this chapter?

Or are you people making up nonsense as usual

Just stop
Because he is feeling Oden's presence/haki in enma
He's not saying Zoro has the same ryuo as Oden!
He never even wondered if Zoro is using the same ryuo as Oden

Nobody in this chapter has stated Zoro is using the ryuo level as Oden
It's all about Oden and Enma his sword!

 

[WesMidnight]

Why, then, Ryuma's sword, being the black blade, does not have Ryuma's Haki? And Enma is not a black blade, why would he have Haki Oden? How can Khaki be in the sword for 20 years? Haki is not endless, Luffy won and 10 minutes now was not enough for 4 gear. More and more I wonder what dumb people Zoro haters are. They just don't have logic.

Who fought Ryuma that would be able to trace Ryuma's haki aura?
What are cursed blades and magical blades like Enma that suck out haki from their user?

You have no idea how the mystical Katana logic works only Oda does so to shoot down people's theories as if you know the answer is a bit much dude. We have many comments on Odens haki, Odens blade blah blah blah all coming from Kaido in relation to Enma.

People aren't saying Oden is a battery fueling all of Zoro's attacks, but there is potentially something going on with Oden's haki/aura having a magnifying or focusing effect on Zoro's output.

 

[kenedyfake]

if it were just Kaido fighting against the 5, I would put it would have a huge hype ... more are 2 Yonko ... it is kind of meh.

 

[Batik4ever]

Enma has a specific property of absorbing the user's ryou. It can't really be compared to Shusui

Yes, but Haki cannot be stored for years. Or are you saying that Shanks can give Haki the swords of weak people and they can kill Logia all their lives? Haki cannot be stored so much. And it is not infinite. 4 gear is an example of this. It is the power of Enma that the creator has somehow invested. And Kaido himself felt it from Oden. And now from Zoro.