Current Events Zoro Carrying Luffy throughout the Raid. Oda Implying Equality?

#62
You know that Kaido was sucker punched Redroc isnt stronger than Kong gatling and Zoro cut him far away
Being able to use Enmas special ability is also a feat even Kinemon cant
Kong Gatling >>> Red Rock > Zoro's attacks so far, it's pretty clear. Kaido didn't compliment Zoro's attack so much as Luffy's Red Roc, it's crazy to think otherwise.

Kinemon nor any scabbards did never try to tame Enma.
 
#63
No. As many said, it has got less to do with power-level and more to do with loyalty to his captain. You can say they are near-equals but they'll never be absolute equals.
You can have as much loyalty as you want but without strength, you won't be able to protect anyone.
Being able to protect Luffy in the face of two Yonkou is something not accomplished because of mere loyalty.
 
#64
No. That’s like saying Luffy, Kid and Law are equals because they’ve been portrayed dramatically standing next to each other.

Or that Sanji was equal to Luffy for rescuing him from the mirror

It shows that Zoro will, as he always has done, look out for Luffy. It’s got nothing to do with powerlevels, and everything to do with the relationship between the two characters.
It just means that Luffy is an incompetent c*nt who always relies on strength others to do something, Luffy can't do anything by himself he's a complete failure. Luffy can only scream "I'll be the PK" but when the time comes to prove it, Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him.
 
#65
It just means that Luffy is an incompetent c*nt who always relies on strength others to do something, Luffy can't do anything by himself he's a complete failure. Luffy can only scream "I'll be the PK" but when the time comes to prove it, Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him.
D: I read the manga and watched the anime and noticed that after Luffy uses Gear Fourth, he not only can’t use Haki for 10 minutes but it also carries the tradeoff (risk) of being so fatigued that he can’t move. However, in Ch. 885 he is moving totally normally right? Why isn't that tradeoff there anymore? -P.N. BUSHI
O: The tradeoff of not being able to move that you’re referring to never existed in the first place. If he wanted to move but couldn’t use Haki during that time, he could still run from place to place to hide. In Dressrosa, after using Gear Fourth, he coincidentally ran into his allies and supporters so he could preserve his energy while they carried him to the next fight. If those people weren’t there then Luffy would just have to do his best!
 
#66
D: I read the manga and watched the anime and noticed that after Luffy uses Gear Fourth, he not only can’t use Haki for 10 minutes but it also carries the tradeoff (risk) of being so fatigued that he can’t move. However, in Ch. 885 he is moving totally normally right? Why isn't that tradeoff there anymore? -P.N. BUSHI
O: The tradeoff of not being able to move that you’re referring to never existed in the first place. If he wanted to move but couldn’t use Haki during that time, he could still run from place to place to hide. In Dressrosa, after using Gear Fourth, he coincidentally ran into his allies and supporters so he could preserve his energy while they carried him to the next fight. If those people weren’t there then Luffy would just have to do his best!
And what? I'm very well aware of that.
 
#67
And what? I'm very well aware of that.
It doesn't seems the case:
"It just means that Luffy is an incompetent c*nt who always relies on strength others to do something " -> False (talking in this context of battles)
"Luffy can't do anything by himself " -> False again (in this context of battles)
"Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him. " -> False again x3 (in this context)

Pure nonsense and bullshit.
 
#70
It doesn't seems the case:
"It just means that Luffy is an incompetent c*nt who always relies on strength others to do something " -> False (talking in this context of battles)
"Luffy can't do anything by himself " -> False again (in this context of battles)
"Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him. " -> False again x3 (in this context)

Pure nonsense and bullshit.
False, how is it false? Luffy's punches weren't even worthy of dodging them, Kaido just ate them for lunch, Luffy failed to do any significant damage while Zoro's one attack was so dangerous that even Meme warned him about that. Zoro's second attack rivaled Kaido's attack and eventually pushed him to hybrid form. Luffy is now relying on Zoro's strength to hide from Kaido for 10m while others will continue the fighting then Luffy will come do some attacks and hide again.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#71
It doesn't seems the case:
"It just means that Luffy is an incompetent c*nt who always relies on strength others to do something " -> False (talking in this context of battles)
"Luffy can't do anything by himself " -> False again (in this context of battles)
"Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him. " -> False again x3 (in this context)

Pure nonsense and bullshit.
Except his last 3 big fights kata doffy cracker
He ran from all 3 and without help would have lost all 3.
 
#72
Kong Gatling >>> Red Rock > Zoro's attacks so far, it's pretty clear. Kaido didn't compliment Zoro's attack so much as Luffy's Red Roc, it's crazy to think otherwise.

Kinemon nor any scabbards did never try to tame Enma.
Kaido did compliment Zoro attack. Zoro literally Countered his whole tornado and cut him at the same time. Kaido had to do a upgraded move instead. No way red Roc was more powerful.
 

Shisui

3 Palestine
#73
No. That’s like saying Luffy, Kid and Law are equals because they’ve been portrayed dramatically standing next to each other.

Or that Sanji was equal to Luffy for rescuing him from the mirror

It shows that Zoro will, as he always has done, look out for Luffy. It’s got nothing to do with powerlevels, and everything to do with the relationship between the two characters.
/thread.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#74
Kong Gatling >>> Red Rock > Zoro's attacks so far, it's pretty clear. Kaido didn't compliment Zoro's attack so much as Luffy's Red Roc, it's crazy to think otherwise.

Kinemon nor any scabbards did never try to tame Enma.
Which attacks?

Because even Black Dragon Tornado has consistently damaged Kaido around as much as Luffy's attacks did at least to the level of knowledge at our disposal.

Hiryuu Kaen didn't land but it is portrayed and hyped to be a lot stronger than Kong Gatling, so I'm legitimately asking.
 
#75
False, how is it false? Luffy's punches weren't even worthy of dodging them, Kaido just ate them for lunch, Luffy failed to do any significant damage while Zoro's one attack was so dangerous that even Meme warned him about that. Zoro's second attack rivaled Kaido's attack and eventually pushed him to hybrid form. Luffy is now relying on Zoro's strength to hide from Kaido for 10m while others will continue the fighting then Luffy will come do some attacks and hide again.
Why did you change the topic?
Your three sentences were full of fallacies.
Luffy was literally the one who carried this fight, Yonko kept focusing him while ignoring the others and thanks to that SN could land their attacks on Kaido, so he is doing it almost all the job by himself and the others are relying on him, not the opposite.
And your last "argument" is explained in that SBS and in manga itself (Katakuri's fight).

Like I said, pure nonsense.

Well is Zoro superior to Law, Kid and Killer thats the question
Like Kaido himself said, they all can deal with his defence by their own means.
Luffy, Zoro and Kidd with raw power.
Law and Killer with internal attacks.

Zoro is above Killer/Law in raw power (expected) and similar to Kid and Luffy G4 without Barrier Haki, but below Red Roc with Barrier Haki.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#76
False, how is it false? Luffy's punches weren't even worthy of dodging them, Kaido just ate them for lunch, Luffy failed to do any significant damage while Zoro's one attack was so dangerous that even Meme warned him about that. Zoro's second attack rivaled Kaido's attack and eventually pushed him to hybrid form. Luffy is now relying on Zoro's strength to hide from Kaido for 10m while others will continue the fighting then Luffy will come do some attacks and hide again.
Nothing here to comment
Just someone who's salty or pissed
 
#77
Your three sentences were full of fallacies.
Luffy was literally the one who carried this fight, Yonko kept focusing him while ignoring the others and thanks to that SN could land their attacks on Kaido, so he is doing it almost all the job by himself and the others are relying on him, not the opposite.
And Luffy relies on Zoro:))) lol.
And your last "argument" is explained in that SBS and in manga itself (Katakuri's fight).

Like I said, pure nonsense.
Did you even read what I said? I literally said "hide and run" I didn't say that Luffy can't run after not being able use haki, I've read the SBS and I know that Luffy can run after he loses gear 4th. So what's your point?
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Nothing here to comment
Just someone who's salty or pissed
:okay:
 
#78
And Luffy relies on Zoro:))) lol.
So what? This has nothing to do with the first two "arguments", it's the third one. Luffy didn't need Zoro to cut BM's fire attacks, he can tank them easily like with Boro Breath.

Did you even read what I said? I literally said "hide and run" I didn't say that Luffy can't run after not being able use haki, I've read the SBS and I know that Luffy can run after he loses gear 4th. So what's your point?
"Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him. " -> No, he doesn't need that. He can't do it alone, that's what the SBS said. But Zoro is there with him, an ally, so he doesn't need to run, explained in the SBS.
 
#79
Why did you change the topic?
Your three sentences were full of fallacies.
Luffy was literally the one who carried this fight, Yonko kept focusing him while ignoring the others and thanks to that SN could land their attacks on Kaido, so he is doing it almost all the job by himself and the others are relying on him, not the opposite.
And your last "argument" is explained in that SBS and in manga itself (Katakuri's fight).

Like I said, pure nonsense.


Like Kaido himself said, they all can deal with his defence by their own means.
Luffy, Zoro and Kidd with raw power.
Law and Killer with internal attacks.

Zoro is above Killer/Law in raw power (expected) and similar to Kid and Luffy G4 without Barrier Haki, but below Red Roc with Barrier Haki.
How is Zoro attack below red roc when it Not only took out Kaido 3 huge ass Tornado and managed to hit him at the same time. The Supernovas were getting tossed around by that tornado that was so large it extended from the clouds all the way down
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So what? This has nothing to do with the first two "arguments", it's the third one. Luffy didn't need Zoro to cut BM's fire attacks, he can tank them easily like with Boro Breath.


"Luffy ends up hiding and running while others protect him. " -> No, he doesn't need that. He can't do it alone, that's what the SBS said. But Zoro is there with him, an ally, so he doesn't need to run, explained in the SBS.
Yes because they can't catch a base Luffy running. When Kaido literally shows he has Aoe attacks that vome down from the clouds and suck you up. When Katakuri was literally going to catch Luffy, so Oda wrote Brulee dumbass in it. Stop the BS. Zoro been saving Luffy effing Life.
 
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#80
How is Zoro attack below red roc when it Not only took out Kaido 3 huge ass Tornado and managed to hit him at the same time. The Supernovas were getting tossed around by that tornado that was so large it extended from the clouds all the way down
So what if they were "huge"? Since when Kaido's AP in dragon form with his elemental attacks were relevant?
He didn't even oneshot Kawamatsu with a physical strike, which should be his strongest aspect. His dragon form is only good for tanking attacks and made AoE attacks with crap AP.
 
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