Anyone who stops a person from killing or heavily injuring someone else is saving them. If in the next coming chapters Law, Kidd, and Killer all do their part in stalling Hybrid Kaido, and Big Mom (which they will), are you going to say Zoro didn't save Luffy because other people had to help stall the Yonkos?
No what youre doing is the same as me saying zoro saved luffy from borobreath with no help from law just zoro. Sanji kicked raisin then got smacked out of the sky by yuen and saved by germa.
Saving luffy is what zoro did with tatsumaki dispersing kaidos tatsumakis slashing kaido and making him split blood and luffy all on his own no other strawhat is doing that.
For now I still lean a bit on Luffy being 100 and Zoro being 99.
I've seen a lot of arguments about Zoro countering Luffy with his lethality and that's not wrong.
Also saw that Zoro never once truly fought after TS but Luffy's been on verge of death many times. This point is also true.
So why do I still put Luffy over Zoro?
Mainly bc he's the protagonist of the story. But there are also other factors.
First being that Haki exists. And Luffy just learned the highest tier of CoA known as of now, internal destruction Haki. Albeit I still think he has troubles using it. But if he can learn internal destruction Haki then he can also or could have learned Barrier type Haki but that is to be seen since he took damage from Boro Breath. Nevertheless it doesn't change the fact that he has the potential for Barrier Haki. So this can help negate out the lethality of Zoro's attacks. Something like Roger's and WB's clash may happen when their attack collide bc I don't see why Zoro doesn't have at least Barrier Haki sword ver.
Second being Luffy's expected PU for Kaido. I trust that Oda didn't plan for only Internal Haki Luffy to beat Kaido. Even if he manages to damage Kaido now, he doesn't possess the power nor the endurance to match Kaido's in G4. So he may have something new. And I'm only about 30% confident that Oda'd give Zoro a "new" PU other than letting him use Ashura or some new deadly moveS. So those two kinda negate out.
With those points being said, if Luffy is 100 then Zoro is 99. But this can change very quickly with the end of this arc.
So for now, Luffy~=Zoro.
Thanks if you spend time reading this long post.
It's to explain to Readers why Luffy said that he cannot accept less than becoming World's Greatest Swordsman from Zoro
Because he needs a Bodyguard stronger than him
PS: Whenever Zoro fights alongside Luffy, he takes the Spotlight in most times:
1. They both fought Morgan, Oda chose to let Zoro be the one who Finish him off
2. They both fought PH Dragon, Oda chose to let Zoro the one who kills it
3. Zoro & Luffy got attacked by Senor Pink, Dellinger & Machvice, Oda chose Zoro to be the one who handles them quickly
4. They both met Fujitora, Oda chose Zoro to be the one who stops him before Pica appeared
5. Both faced Hawkins, Oda chose Zoro to be the one who handles him
6. Both faced Apoo, Oda chose that Zoro carries & protects Luffy
7. Both are facing 2 Yonko now, well guess who is protecting the other one multiple times...
Not to mention that when a Major Foe appears who isn't Main Arc Villain but Equal or Greater Threat, Zoro is the one who handles him such as Mihawk in Baratie Arc, Kuma in Thriller Bark, Fujitora in Dressrosa & Stampede Movie ... etc
Club's attacks >>> Boro Breath (Kaido vs Oden, Kaido vs Luffy)
Physical strike in dragon form > elemental attacks
The tornado appeared suddenly and Kid and Killer didn't expect it (since they can't see the future), and were sent some meters away with it "ohhhhh, a super feat" (Killer can't even move in air).
Lmao, now counting the drops of blood of each scene so you can wank Zoro lmao, pathetic lvl over 9000.
The case is, Red Roc triggered Kaido so much that he saw the shadows of 5 great pirates while with Zoro his reaction was "oh, that stinging sensation and you countered my tornado with your tornado, funny" and he laughed.
This is not a problem in this case since the adversary here is not a FS user which can get ahead of him by seeing the future.
Fine, I stand corrected that it has a small part of it being related to power level discussion but my point still stands as Chopper was willing to put his life on the line to save Nami.
Did Doffy stop going after the strawhats when Sanji got there? Yes he did. Law saving Sanji doesn't refute this. So you are wrong...
Did Robin try to move Zoro away? Yes or No?
Nami has the vivi card, therefore was using it to her advantage?
Just like each strawhat who work their butts off in the 2 years, the sake of becoming stronger to protect each other. You are putting your own narrative into it, it didn't specify Luffy at all. For all we know it could be for the crew which will make more sense because Zoro saved the others as well imho.
About Usopp.. yeah he ran because he had Robin in his arms and Luffy gave the order for everyone to retreat.
Driving home with each Strawhat will protect one another and has nothing do with since Zoro protect Luffy, he must be his equal. :/
Like I've been saying which you keep ignoring, being willing to put your life on the line for someone is irrelevant to being actually capable of saving the person. That's where powerlevels come in. If Chopper's guard point wasnt strong enough, would he have been able to save Nami?
Why do you keep limiting the point? Sanji's goal was to stop DD from attacking his crew. Sanji momentarily stops him from attacking his crew. However, Sanji was about to be defeated which would mean he would fail to stop DD from attacking his crew. Law comes in and takes DD's attention away and it is this moment where the SHP were able to escape.
> Sanji stalling DD speaks to his power level. It showed that he wasn't complete fodder.
> Sanji being defeated and getting saved by Law shows his power level limits.
> The fact that Law was able to fight DD longer than Sanji shows Law's powerlevels being above Sanji
Yes she tried to move Zoro away at which point she failed in actually moving him away. Without Rayleigh coming in, would Zoro have survived?
That is well and good, however, it is Big Mom's Vivre Card.
For Zoro to be able to protect his captain, he must be at a certain. If you can provide a weaker character who would be able to protect Luffy like Zoro has done since chapter 1001, you can try
No, it does not imply equality. We've seen it with the Whitebeard Pirates, the Big Mom Pirates, the Beast Pirates, and many times in the past with the Straw Hat Pirates. The subordinates will protect the Captain at all cost. Oda seems to be really driving this narrative home with Zoro, ever since got on his knees and asked Mihawk to train him. Zoro will put his own self in harms way, to protect Luffy. Sure, the rest of the Straw Hats will do the same, but why is Zoro getting so much time doing it lately? I'm willing to bet it's because Oda is gearing up to officially name Zoro the Vice Captain of the Straw Hat pirates. It'll happen before Wano's end, and we'll finally get Zoro's intro box.
Being willing to protect your captain is irrelevant to actually being capable. Capability comes from power. If Zoro wasn't at a certain level of strength, he wouldn't be able to perform the feats he has. No other member in the crew would've been able to replicate Zoro's feats
No, it does not imply equality. We've seen it with the Whitebeard Pirates, the Big Mom Pirates, the Beast Pirates, and many times in the past with the Straw Hat Pirates. The subordinates will protect the Captain at all cost. Oda seems to be really driving this narrative home with Zoro, ever since got on his knees and asked Mihawk to train him. Zoro will put his own self in harms way, to protect Luffy. Sure, the rest of the Straw Hats will do the same, but why is Zoro getting so much time doing it lately? I'm willing to bet it's because Oda is gearing up to officially name Zoro the Vice Captain of the Straw Hat pirates. It'll happen before Wano's end, and we'll finally get Zoro's intro box.
That depends on what you consider. Overall portrayal? Luffy is still the MC, he won't stand below Zoro forever and will catch up most likely. But current showings suggest us that Zoro is actually proving to be stronger than Luffy. Let's see if Luffy will manage to overturn the table in this very arc, which for now I doubt considering what happened. Of course the author can change things all the time and quickly.
Like I've been saying which you keep ignoring, being willing to put your life on the line for someone is irrelevant to being actually capable of saving the person. That's where powerlevels come in. If Chopper's guard point wasnt strong enough, would he have been able to save Nami?
Why do you keep limiting the point? Sanji's goal was to stop DD from attacking his crew. Sanji momentarily stops him from attacking his crew. However, Sanji was about to be defeated which would mean he would fail to stop DD from attacking his crew. Law comes in and takes DD's attention away and it is this moment where the SHP were able to escape.
> Sanji stalling DD speaks to his power level. It showed that he wasn't complete fodder.
> Sanji being defeated and getting saved by Law shows his power level limits.
> The fact that Law was able to fight DD longer than Sanji shows Law's powerlevels being above Sanji
Yes she tried to move Zoro away at which point she failed in actually moving him away. Without Rayleigh coming in, would Zoro have survived?
That is well and good, however, it is Big Mom's Vivre Card.
For Zoro to be able to protect his captain, he must be at a certain. If you can provide a weaker character who would be able to protect Luffy like Zoro has done since chapter 1001, you can try
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Being willing to protect your captain is irrelevant to actually being capable. Capability comes from power. If Zoro wasn't at a certain level of strength, he wouldn't be able to perform the feats he has. No other member in the crew would've been able to replicate Zoro's feats
Yes it does.. If Chopper wasn't willing to put his life on the line, he wouldn't had use guard point but be frozen in fear because Linlin right in front of him. Hence why I keep brining up Chopper is a coward, he saw Nami in danger and that finally brought him to act.
@Celestial D. Dragon already cleared this point with his reply.
Doesn't matter how short or how long, a save is a save and you admit Sanji momentary stop Doffy.
Doesn't speak much about PL when Law knew Doffy Df abilities while Sanji doesn't. Which is the reason why Sanji got caught so quickly or why he was confused.
Again, a save is a save.
Yeah, a Vivi card which Nami took advantage of? If not for that, Luffy and Nami would had been defeated by Cracker.
Oda is most likely implying a gap which happens to occur in Zoro's favor however.
Zoro's recent feats show astounding levels of defensive skills other than what we had already witnessed offensively. And also major levels of endurance not to mention and why not combat reflexes.
Oda is most likely implying a gap which happens to occur in Zoro's favor however.
Zoro's recent feats show astounding levels of defensive skills other than what we had already witnessed offensively. And also major levels of endurance not to mention and why not combat reflexes.
You can check the amount of people in the opening page who were claiming that Zoro Carrying Luffy isn't about strength and other nonsense.
This chapter shuts them up
You can check the amount of people in the opening page who were claiming that Zoro Carrying Luffy isn't about strength and other nonsense.
This chapter shuts them up
Well you're wrong though. Zoro hasn't been carrying Luffy and the other Supernova because he's equal to Luffy — it's because he's above them.
Had Zoro not been on the Rooftop, all the other 4 Supernova would have died. They had no way to evade or block the attack. Zoro alone could hold back the full power of two Yonkou (however briefly).
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Nami ~ G4 Luffy 
who else?
