Anime & Manga Sanji fans are really Judge's sons/daughters.
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Zeff literally tells him that it's the one thing he expects Sanji to never go against, no matter how many times he fucks up in life with anything else.
That it's the one thing he demands from Sanji as his father, and that he'd go as far as to kill himself if he learns that Sanji has grown into a person who'd go against this, to take responsibility as his parrent.
That it's the one thing he demands from Sanji as his father, and that he'd go as far as to kill himself if he learns that Sanji has grown into a person who'd go against this, to take responsibility as his parrent.
You miss the point of what's valuable about that moment then.
The willingness to endure all that and the fact that death was the most likely outcome is what gives that scene it's weight.
How are you guys going turn that into a power scaling device and at the same time call out others for not understanding characters or the story almost in the same breath ?
The willingness to endure all that and the fact that death was the most likely outcome is what gives that scene it's weight.
How are you guys going turn that into a power scaling device and at the same time call out others for not understanding characters or the story almost in the same breath ?
Well, i also have to call out you pointing out TB Zoro's moment, and ignoring that Sanji basically did the same thing Zoro did in that arc, when it comes to offering himself to take Luffy's pain.
It's both on panel for us to see
as well as being reminded to us by Oda in the very next chapter
Because it's really important to know that he was just as willing as Zoro to give up his life for Luffy, Zoro and everyone else.
It's both on panel for us to see
as well as being reminded to us by Oda in the very next chapter
Because it's really important to know that he was just as willing as Zoro to give up his life for Luffy, Zoro and everyone else.
While Zoro's moment was iconic and outstanding, everyone deliberately ignores Sanji's moment
It was emphasized by Multiple characters that he had the same resolve as Zoro, and was willing to sacrifice his dream for both Luffy and Zoro
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Is that what's important in this?
Kuma's "acknowledgement"
You miss the point of what's valuable about that moment then.
The willingness to endure all that and the fact that death was the most likely outcome is what gives that scene it's weight.
How are you guys going turn that into a power scaling device and at the same time call out others for not understanding characters or the story almost in the same breath ?
The willingness to endure all that and the fact that death was the most likely outcome is what gives that scene it's weight.
How are you guys going turn that into a power scaling device and at the same time call out others for not understanding characters or the story almost in the same breath ?
Zorofans are allowed that right to distinguish power scaling scenarios to narrative.
If we are going to pull out manga panels, then Kuma didn’t flinch at Black Leg Sanji. Zoro also was able to cut Kuma whereas Sanji couldn’t hit him. The main point is, Sanji can talk that talk about taking the pain for Luffy. But he couldn’t walk the walk, demonstrated by a mere Zoro hit. If you guys can’t understand this, then I won’t even bother explaining it.
Except he does
He acknowledges both of them, saying that Luffy has some good nakama and that he expected that from Dragon's son.
Obviously that as is always the case, Zoro get's the nod over Sanji here overall by being allowed to be the one to make the sacrifice.
In terms of being willing to make the sacrifice though, Oda explicitely pushes both of them in front, and shows that both of them are willing to do it.
This is not up to debate. The fact that we are even having this discussion shows how petty some are when it comes to Sanji.
He acknowledges both of them, saying that Luffy has some good nakama and that he expected that from Dragon's son.
Obviously that as is always the case, Zoro get's the nod over Sanji here overall by being allowed to be the one to make the sacrifice.
In terms of being willing to make the sacrifice though, Oda explicitely pushes both of them in front, and shows that both of them are willing to do it.
This is not up to debate. The fact that we are even having this discussion shows how petty some are when it comes to Sanji.
Portrayal by Oda. Don’t blame me.
- Spies on his crew mates when they are showering and in the bathhouse
why
- Feeding scraps of shite food to Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Chopper. Why Chopper? He don’t even do anything bad....
-Feeding Zoro nails and poison
- One Piece Film Z was written by Oda, he portrays Sanjis character as a thirsting pedophile.
- Ready and able to marry a 16 year old, Pudding. If you’re going to justify this, then that itself is a checkmate and you’re literally proving my point.
- Talks all this shit about pride, when he has none....
- kindest strawhat? Bruh he was willing to leave experimented children at Ounk Hazard and only obliged when Nami said otherwise...
- Told Jinbei to kill him self, lmfao bruh what? Sanji can kick the dogshit out of Luffy no problem and tell Jinbei to kill himself? And you guys have no problem? Lmao what
- endangers his crew and robins life in Enies Lobby
- endangers the crew by searching for Prostitutes during a War built up with the pains of Wano over 20 years
- and moore
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If Sanji did that you’d wet urselfs
Sanji got no diffed and fucked off by King and you guys consider that embarrassment a feat. If this happened you’d use it all the time. We don’t even have to use it
- Spies on his crew mates when they are showering and in the bathhouse
why- Feeding scraps of shite food to Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Chopper. Why Chopper? He don’t even do anything bad....
-Feeding Zoro nails and poison
- One Piece Film Z was written by Oda, he portrays Sanjis character as a thirsting pedophile.
- Ready and able to marry a 16 year old, Pudding. If you’re going to justify this, then that itself is a checkmate and you’re literally proving my point.
- Talks all this shit about pride, when he has none....
- kindest strawhat? Bruh he was willing to leave experimented children at Ounk Hazard and only obliged when Nami said otherwise...
- Told Jinbei to kill him self, lmfao bruh what? Sanji can kick the dogshit out of Luffy no problem and tell Jinbei to kill himself? And you guys have no problem? Lmao what
- endangers his crew and robins life in Enies Lobby
- endangers the crew by searching for Prostitutes during a War built up with the pains of Wano over 20 years
- and moore
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If Sanji did that you’d wet urselfs
Sanji got no diffed and fucked off by King and you guys consider that embarrassment a feat. If this happened you’d use it all the time. We don’t even have to use it
Manga is shounen / kids...
Kids like adrenaline-related stuff...
In One Piece, adrenaline-related theme are fights...
Fight oriented character is Luffy and Zoro...
When people see Oda didn't treat Sanji the same as Luffy & Zoro, they'll ofc trashing him...
Besides, it feels good trashing Sanji...
This is what most fans gone through, even if you don't agree / not accept this...
Kids like adrenaline-related stuff...
In One Piece, adrenaline-related theme are fights...
Fight oriented character is Luffy and Zoro...
When people see Oda didn't treat Sanji the same as Luffy & Zoro, they'll ofc trashing him...
Besides, it feels good trashing Sanji...
This is what most fans gone through, even if you don't agree / not accept this...
At the end of the day it is only about Powerscaling for Zoro fans, because a good majority of Sanji fans like him for this same exact reason.
Zorofans are allowed that right to distinguish power scaling scenarios to narrative.
If we are going to pull out manga panels, then Kuma didn’t flinch at Black Leg Sanji. Zoro also was able to cut Kuma whereas Sanji couldn’t hit him. The main point is, Sanji can talk that talk about taking the pain for Luffy. But he couldn’t walk the walk, demonstrated by a mere Zoro hit. If you guys can’t understand this, then I won’t even bother explaining it.
TLDR: Leave the fighting to Zoro if he’s there. Leave the cooking to Sanji. Which is already happening in Wano.
Zorofans are allowed that right to distinguish power scaling scenarios to narrative.
If we are going to pull out manga panels, then Kuma didn’t flinch at Black Leg Sanji. Zoro also was able to cut Kuma whereas Sanji couldn’t hit him. The main point is, Sanji can talk that talk about taking the pain for Luffy. But he couldn’t walk the walk, demonstrated by a mere Zoro hit. If you guys can’t understand this, then I won’t even bother explaining it.
Hence why his iconic moment "nothing happened" occurred in the first place
Except he does
He acknowledges both of them, saying that Luffy has some good nakama and that he expected that from Dragon's son.
Obviously that as is always the case, Zoro get's the nod over Sanji here overall by being allowed to be the one to make the sacrifice.
In terms of being willing to make the sacrifice though, Oda explicitely pushes both of them in front, and shows that both of them are willing to do it.
This is not up to debate. The fact that we are even having this discussion shows how petty some are when it comes to Sanji.
He acknowledges both of them, saying that Luffy has some good nakama and that he expected that from Dragon's son.
Obviously that as is always the case, Zoro get's the nod over Sanji here overall by being allowed to be the one to make the sacrifice.
In terms of being willing to make the sacrifice though, Oda explicitely pushes both of them in front, and shows that both of them are willing to do it.
This is not up to debate. The fact that we are even having this discussion shows how petty some are when it comes to Sanji.
At the end of the day it is only about Powerscaling for Zoro fans, because a good majority of Sanji fans like him for this same exact reason.
Zorofans are allowed that right to distinguish power scaling scenarios to narrative.
If we are going to pull out manga panels, then Kuma didn’t flinch at Black Leg Sanji. Zoro also was able to cut Kuma whereas Sanji couldn’t hit him. The main point is, Sanji can talk that talk about taking the pain for Luffy. But he couldn’t walk the walk, demonstrated by a mere Zoro hit. If you guys can’t understand this, then I won’t even bother explaining it.
TLDR: Leave the fighting to Zoro if he’s there. Leave the cooking to Sanji. Which is already happening in Wano.
Zorofans are allowed that right to distinguish power scaling scenarios to narrative.
If we are going to pull out manga panels, then Kuma didn’t flinch at Black Leg Sanji. Zoro also was able to cut Kuma whereas Sanji couldn’t hit him. The main point is, Sanji can talk that talk about taking the pain for Luffy. But he couldn’t walk the walk, demonstrated by a mere Zoro hit. If you guys can’t understand this, then I won’t even bother explaining it.
Walkin the walk would be accepting to take the pain and fatigue from Luffy. The whole purpose of that scene is to show that Sanji would walk the walk.
It's not about surviving that.
Zoro was expecting death. That's what makes the moment great, he embraced it even if it meant he would die.
He made a last request to make sure that his sacrifice would not be for nothing, and Kuma promised that he's not going to attack Luffy.
That was the test. Even in the scenario where Sanji takes the pain and dies, he'd have achieved saving Luffy, because the sacrifice was the condition for Kuma to no longer attack Luffy and the others.
Of course kicking Kuma would hurt as hell. It would hurt Zoro to punch him as well. Even Zoro's Lion song only cut his outer layer and exposed his metalic body.
Walkin the walk would be accepting to take the pain and fatigue from Luffy. The whole purpose of that scene is to show that Sanji would walk the walk.
It's not about surviving that.
Zoro was expecting death. That's what makes the moment great, he embraced it even if it meant he would die.
He made a last request to make sure that his sacrifice would not be for nothing, and Kuma promised that he's not going to attack Luffy.
That was the test. Even in the scenario where Sanji takes the pain and dies, he'd have achieved saving Luffy, because the sacrifice was the condition for Kuma to no longer attack Luffy and the others.
Walkin the walk would be accepting to take the pain and fatigue from Luffy. The whole purpose of that scene is to show that Sanji would walk the walk.
It's not about surviving that.
Zoro was expecting death. That's what makes the moment great, he embraced it even if it meant he would die.
He made a last request to make sure that his sacrifice would not be for nothing, and Kuma promised that he's not going to attack Luffy.
That was the test. Even in the scenario where Sanji takes the pain and dies, he'd have achieved saving Luffy, because the sacrifice was the condition for Kuma to no longer attack Luffy and the others.
Portrayal by Oda. Don’t blame me.
- Spies on his crew mates when they are showering and in the bathhouse why
- Feeding scraps of shite food to Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Chopper. Why Chopper? He don’t even do anything bad....
-Feeding Zoro nails and poison
- One Piece Film Z was written by Oda, he portrays Sanjis character as a thirsting pedophile.
- Ready and able to marry a 16 year old, Pudding. If you’re going to justify this, then that itself is a checkmate and you’re literally proving my point.
- Talks all this shit about pride, when he has none....
- kindest strawhat? Bruh he was willing to leave experimented children at Ounk Hazard and only obliged when Nami said otherwise...
- Told Jinbei to kill him self, lmfao bruh what? Sanji can kick the dogshit out of Luffy no problem and tell Jinbei to kill himself? And you guys have no problem? Lmao what
- endangers his crew and robins life in Enies Lobby
- endangers the crew by searching for Prostitutes during a War built up with the pains of Wano over 20 years
- and moore
LOLLLLLPP
If Sanji did that you’d wet urselfs
Sanji got no diffed and fucked off by King and you guys consider that embarrassment a feat. If this happened you’d use it all the time. We don’t even have to use it
- Spies on his crew mates when they are showering and in the bathhouse
why- Feeding scraps of shite food to Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Chopper. Why Chopper? He don’t even do anything bad....
-Feeding Zoro nails and poison
- One Piece Film Z was written by Oda, he portrays Sanjis character as a thirsting pedophile.
- Ready and able to marry a 16 year old, Pudding. If you’re going to justify this, then that itself is a checkmate and you’re literally proving my point.
- Talks all this shit about pride, when he has none....
- kindest strawhat? Bruh he was willing to leave experimented children at Ounk Hazard and only obliged when Nami said otherwise...
- Told Jinbei to kill him self, lmfao bruh what? Sanji can kick the dogshit out of Luffy no problem and tell Jinbei to kill himself? And you guys have no problem? Lmao what
- endangers his crew and robins life in Enies Lobby
- endangers the crew by searching for Prostitutes during a War built up with the pains of Wano over 20 years
- and moore
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LOLLLLLPP
If Sanji did that you’d wet urselfs
Sanji got no diffed and fucked off by King and you guys consider that embarrassment a feat. If this happened you’d use it all the time. We don’t even have to use it
Another reason because they have the agenda to make him look bad so he won't overshadow their favourites
Pure childesh mentality
You falsely claimed Zoro cut Kuma, when he kneeled in powerlessness and humbly offered his head in sacrifice to him after his attack merely exposed he was a cyborg by cutting his clothes and fake skin.
Strange take my dude.
Sanji stopped Momo's execution, evenly blocked King's kick and was attacked by an attack that impressed Luffy while he was throwing and talking to Momo.
Sanji took no real long term damage from this and got up almost instantly.
Strange take my dude.
Sanji stopped Momo's execution, evenly blocked King's kick and was attacked by an attack that impressed Luffy while he was throwing and talking to Momo.
Sanji took no real long term damage from this and got up almost instantly.
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