Character Discussion Which portrayal will be better: Sanji 1v1 King/Queen or Zoro participation in the group fight against Kaido?

No, Luffy = Oden, not Zoro.
And for now Zoro didn't do anything impressive which would put him above Sanji. Fightning a Yonko, Kaido specifically, is not impressive since he is a sandbag, weaker characters (than Zoro) fought against him and they are in numerical advantage (and all was thanks to Luffy, without him the fight would be entirely different since he was the one carrying the group and both Yonko focused on him).
Luffy doesn't have Enma
Luffy isn't the one that will replicate Oden's feat

And no Zoro's feats shits on Sanji so badly it's not even funny

None of the weaker characters did anything to him..not the way Zoro is performing rn at least
 
No, Luffy = Oden, not Zoro.
And for now Zoro didn't do anything impressive which would put him above Sanji. Fightning a Yonko, Kaido specifically, is not impressive since he is a sandbag, weaker characters (than Zoro) fought against him and they are in numerical advantage (and all was thanks to Luffy, without him the fight would be entirely different since he was the one carrying the group and both Yonko focused on him).
Without Zoro, luffy would be dead in this fight.
 
Since this forum is all about Zoro/Sanji discussions, my first thread is about their impact at the end of Onigashima Raid (assuming Sanji dont get the Gohan treatment and fight a YC).



Zoro:



I believe that Zoro will have a big role in Kaido’s downfall, and when Zoro reopen's Kaido's scar he will be view by Wano Kuni as a legendary swordman, similar to Oden [my guess].



Oda has been and will keep focusing on Zoro’s attack power, since that is Zoro main skill, and we probably gonna see Ashura for the first time. I’m also a firm believer that Zoro will use Conqueror's Haki sooner or later, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he used this arc.



Sanji:



For Sanji I believe that a 1v1 against Queen or King would be a extreme diff fight, where Sanji would be out of comission afterwards [Zoro will be in better condition after fulfilling his role against Kaido].



Oda could use this opportunity to show everything that Sanji learned during TS [Hell Memories as his new “ultimate” technique would be lame imo], and the full power of Raid Suit. Oda portrayal of Sanji has been of a all-rounder fighter, so his attack/speed/endurance should be more balanced than Zoro.



Conclusion:



At the end of the day the comparisons will be like “Zoro=Oden” and “Oden is much stronger than a King/Queen, so Zoro is much stronger than Sanji”. On the other hand some will argue that Sanji fought 1v1 and thats a greater feat than participating in a group fight.



My opinion is that Zoro portrayal will be overall better, but Sanji fans will have something to cling to it.
I like how you break it down nice job
 
where was that said ?
for sanji all 3 have been stated
sanjis bounty is 77 mil
he got 50 for luffy
Sbs vol 91
D: All the characters of “Yonkō Commander” class have very high bounties. Do their bounties ever go up simply for the reason that they are the Commander of XX Yonkō? P.N. Rice LOVE



O: Yes, I'd guess so. After the Dressrosa incident, all the people involved with the Straw Hat Crew got a flat 50 million increase due to being associated with Luffy. The crew members’ bounties often increase with their captain. This is because it is actually fairly difficult to appraise the strength of each individual person and assign a money value to them. It's hard (for the marines) to judge which subordinate contributed the most...
50 and only alive from judge

that took his bounty to its 177 mil
nothing to do with him
and the increase to 330 in his own words was because of germa infamy

sanji himself has had no bearing on his own bounty post time skip
Wow you should make a thread on this. Sanji hasn't earn shit post timeskip.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Wow you should make a thread on this. Sanji hasn't earn shit post timeskip.
there already is a thread shisiho made
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/is-sanjis-true-bounty-77-million.5118/
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So if Sanji actually does something, his bounty will be immensely higher than Zoro. Got you.
nope sanji will be lucky to be within 1 bil of zoro at the end of this arc even with a 200 mil plus boost from others
 

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Sbs vol 91
D: All the characters of “Yonkō Commander” class have very high bounties. Do their bounties ever go up simply for the reason that they are the Commander of XX Yonkō? P.N. Rice LOVE



O: Yes, I'd guess so. After the Dressrosa incident, all the people involved with the Straw Hat Crew got a flat 50 million increase due to being associated with Luffy. The crew members’ bounties often increase with their captain. This is because it is actually fairly difficult to appraise the strength of each individual person and assign a money value to them. It's hard (for the marines) to judge which subordinate contributed the most...
50 and only alive from judge "

This statement right here is a big problem.
Why did Zoro got his bounty at Alabasta? Because he defeated Mr1? What about Nami defeating Mrs. Doublefinger? What about Chopper and Usopp? What about Sanji?
Sanji, who, in fact, was the one that contributed more during Alabasta, actually saving the SH's AND Smoker from Crocodile.
See the problem here?
The only person that stated the 330M bounty is purely because of his association with Germa was Sanji, due to his poster now containing the "Vinsmoke" name. The 177M one, alongside the "Only Alive" was explicitly explained. Luffy got a 100M bounty increase in Dressrosa and his entire crew also got a raise.
Luffy gets a 1B increase, and only Sanji gets a raise due to Germa? Why not at least raise the bounty of those who were there? Or all the crew? Remember that Morgans was the one that ultra inflated Luffy's bounty and started calling him "5th Yonko". It's his influence. He was there during the tea party, and he was there during the rescue. He SAW Jinbei declaring himself as a member of the SH's, yet we got no bounty poster update for Jinbei.

Don't try to make it all look so much logical, because Oda himself doesn't. He makes changes that he thinks are cool when it suits him. Dude even answers "Yes, I'd >>>>>>>GUESS SO<<<<<"
:milaugh:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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Sbs vol 91
D: All the characters of “Yonkō Commander” class have very high bounties. Do their bounties ever go up simply for the reason that they are the Commander of XX Yonkō? P.N. Rice LOVE



O: Yes, I'd guess so. After the Dressrosa incident, all the people involved with the Straw Hat Crew got a flat 50 million increase due to being associated with Luffy. The crew members’ bounties often increase with their captain. This is because it is actually fairly difficult to appraise the strength of each individual person and assign a money value to them. It's hard (for the marines) to judge which subordinate contributed the most...
50 and only alive from judge "

This statement right here is a big problem.
Why did Zoro got his bounty at Alabasta? Because he defeated Mr1? What about Nami defeating Mrs. Doublefinger? What about Chopper and Usopp? What about Sanji?
Sanji, who, in fact, was the one that contributed more during Alabasta, actually saving the SH's AND Smoker from Crocodile.
See the problem here?
The only person that stated the 330M bounty is purely because of his association with Germa was Sanji, due to his poster now containing the "Vinsmoke" name. The 177M one, alongside the "Only Alive" was explicitly explained. Luffy got a 100M bounty increase in Dressrosa and his entire crew also got a raise.
Luffy gets a 1B increase, and only Sanji gets a raise due to Germa? Why not at least raise the bounty of those who were there? Or all the crew? Remember that Morgans was the one that ultra inflated Luffy's bounty and started calling him "5th Yonko". It's his influence. He was there during the tea party, and he was there during the rescue. He SAW Jinbei declaring himself as a member of the SH's, yet we got no bounty poster update for Jinbei.

Don't try to make it all look so much logical, because Oda himself doesn't. He makes changes that he thinks are cool when it suits him. Dude even answers "Yes, I'd >>>>>>>GUESS SO<<<<<"
:milaugh:
sanji is right he had no increase for morgans report but for being a vinsmoke
why ?
because they are no longer affiliated with the wg all of germa will have bounties now
even more proof is jinbe was also in the report
yet his bounty is still 438 mil as stated back in fishman island
 
If sanji beats king in a 1v1 and zoro participates in a team fight and mostly plays support with doing damage here and there it’s equal portrayal. It’s very likely both zoro and sanji get a 1 billion increase which would make sanjis bounty over Zoros still since his current bounty is already above zoro.

People can’t use zoro cutting kaido as an argument since you can cut sanji with regular armament because he isn’t a big brute monster


I wanna see where Oda goes. My guess is he won’t kill the 24+ year dynamic between zoro and sanji. People who say it’s a gag rivalry are just lying to themselves even cover stories feature their rivalry[/QU at less you making sense most ppl here seems like they only go off wat hey wont things to be and watch 2piece instead,hyping up zoro so much they go beyond wat is show manga/anime smh these zorotard are sad
 
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Sbs vol 91
D: All the characters of “Yonkō Commander” class have very high bounties. Do their bounties ever go up simply for the reason that they are the Commander of XX Yonkō? P.N. Rice LOVE



O: Yes, I'd guess so. After the Dressrosa incident, all the people involved with the Straw Hat Crew got a flat 50 million increase due to being associated with Luffy. The crew members’ bounties often increase with their captain. This is because it is actually fairly difficult to appraise the strength of each individual person and assign a money value to them. It's hard (for the marines) to judge which subordinate contributed the most...
50 and only alive from judge "

This statement right here is a big problem.
Why did Zoro got his bounty at Alabasta? Because he defeated Mr1? What about Nami defeating Mrs. Doublefinger? What about Chopper and Usopp? What about Sanji?
Sanji, who, in fact, was the one that contributed more during Alabasta, actually saving the SH's AND Smoker from Crocodile.
See the problem here?
The only person that stated the 330M bounty is purely because of his association with Germa was Sanji, due to his poster now containing the "Vinsmoke" name. The 177M one, alongside the "Only Alive" was explicitly explained. Luffy got a 100M bounty increase in Dressrosa and his entire crew also got a raise.
Luffy gets a 1B increase, and only Sanji gets a raise due to Germa? Why not at least raise the bounty of those who were there? Or all the crew? Remember that Morgans was the one that ultra inflated Luffy's bounty and started calling him "5th Yonko". It's his influence. He was there during the tea party, and he was there during the rescue. He SAW Jinbei declaring himself as a member of the SH's, yet we got no bounty poster update for Jinbei.

Don't try to make it all look so much logical, because Oda himself doesn't. He makes changes that he thinks are cool when it suits him. Dude even answers "Yes, I'd >>>>>>>GUESS SO<<<<<"
:milaugh:
So your mad Oda explained Sanji bounty increase and its fraudulent has hell.
 
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