Speculations Could Luffy use a sword against Kaido?!

[Uncle Van]

No, it’s not. We’ve already seen that being able to significantly damage does not equal being slightly above a YC1. Luffy was slightly above a YC1 and have everything he had to Kaido and couldn’t scratch him.

Luffy and Lucci back on EL is not even a remotely accurate comparison.

Regardless of whatever buildup, which there is little in regards to Zoro and Kaido anyway, the fact was that Sanji was never going to take care of Katakuri because he wasn’t even remotely close to being in his league, the same as Zoro in this arc. That’s why they didn’t fight.

No, I’m judging everything by power levels established in the manga. Katakuri would have rolled Cracker, and Luffy was on Cracker’s level at in that fight. The gap between Luffy and Katakuri wasn’t nearly as wide then as what Zoro’s fans are suggesting he is going to overcome now.

Queen did not hurt Big Mom at all. He fell on her head and she was fine, and then fell asleep. He didn’t do anything to her. And yes, Luffy would be undermined.

Queen didnt hurt BM at all? BM herself said her head was killing her so that's a blatant lie.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Katakuri would roll Cracker. You just assume that for the sake of your argument.

So it's ok for Law to nerf Mingo and for Nami to nerf Cracker, but it's a sin for Zoro to nerf Kaido.....Law and Nami helping doesnt undermine Luffy but his right hand man doing it?...ok....

And I hope you're not claiming I'm a Zoro fan.

 

[Finalbeta]

I think Luffy fans are feeling the heat and start to lose their reason(not that they were far more reasonable before) when you see them backing up the idea of Luffy accomplishing anything with a sword. If Luffy ever gets a weapon, which I think he should(would increase his chances against swordsmen) the best they can hope for is a staff. Sword is a dream that the sooner they forget the better.

Luffy fans are nice sometimes but they can't eat on swordsmanship lol

 

[ShadyOjiro]

They cannot handle zoro will fight along with him against kaido.

The rigth hand of the future pirate King fighting alongside him ?

Impossible !

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[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

monkey d theories at it again
I do praise your imagination but no
he would hurt kaido with his fist imo. roger might have been a swordboi but luffy doesnt have to be.
I thought swordbois were not that cool
what happened?

 

[Finalbeta]

The rigth hand of the future pirate King fighting alongside him ?

Impossible !

......

Kaido ain't meant for huge things after all :cheers:

 

[Camie]

No chance. Luffy just wants to look cool with the sword. Would be funny if he beat Kaido with a punch and sword is in his hand. Would be comical if people of Wano thought he actually used the sword to kill Kaido.

 

[Finalbeta]

No chance. Luffy just wants to look cool with the sword. Would be funny if he beat Kaido with a punch and sword is in his hand. Would be comical if people of Wano thought he actually used the sword to kill Kaido.

It was mostly shown for aesthetical matters Imho

 

[OEKaneki]

But Zoro is stronger than even Ashura Douji... And yet he can be handled by a low YC... and that makes him low tier in a Yonkou crew... then what's batman and Holdem

Lmao Zoro is stronger than Ashura Doji?

Queen didnt hurt BM at all? BM herself said her head was killing her so that's a blatant lie.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Katakuri would roll Cracker. You just assume that for the sake of your argument.

So it's ok for Law to nerf Mingo and for Nami to nerf Cracker, but it's a sin for Zoro to nerf Kaido.....Law and Nami helping doesnt undermine Luffy but his right hand man doing it?...ok....

No, he didn’t. She was fine, and then fell asleep, and then immediately got back up to stalemate Kaido. He did nothing to her.

There is no evidence that Katakuri would roll Cracker? Despite having far superior CoO and CoA, as well as every other stat we’ve seen? I don’t assume that for the sake of my argument, I assume that because it’s a fact.

Luffy at his strongest was clearly far stronger than Doflamingo, to the point where Doflamingo could barely keep up with him and couldn’t damage him while in Gear 4. That happens regardless of Law. Nami only helped make Cracker’s delay tactics fail. Zoro significantly damaging Luffy’s chief enemy, the first Yonko he ever fought and his first step into that top echelon, would absolutely undermine him.

 

[Uncle Van]

No, he didn’t. She was fine, and then fell asleep, and then immediately got back up to stalemate Kaido. He did nothing to her.

So you're so far gone that you'll claim that getting your skull cracked and saying your head hurts means your head isnt hurt at all? A lot of logic you'd have to dance around to enforce this.....that's like saying Gamma Knife did nothing to Mingo since he got back up like nothing happened.

And BM had bruises fighting Kaido so once again you lie.

There is no evidence that Katakuri would roll Cracker? Despite having far superior CoO and CoA, as well as every other stat we’ve seen? I don’t assume that for the sake of my argument, I assume that because it’s a fact.

Far superior COA? Luffy was complaining about Cracker's COA being too strong. Cracker could keep up with Boundman without FS and Luffy was no match for him just like Katakuri. Once again, you're just making a bunch of assumptions for the sake of your argument.

Luffy at his strongest was clearly far stronger than Doflamingo, to the point where Doflamingo could barely keep up with him and couldn’t damage him while in Gear 4. That happens regardless of Law. Nami only helped make Cracker’s delay tactics fail. Zoro significantly damaging Luffy’s chief enemy, the first Yonko he ever fought and his first step into that top echelon, would absolutely undermine him.

Not even gonna bother going into detail with this mess. Law and Nami assisted Luffy in beating Mingo and Cracker. You honestly think that shouting "Luffy wouldnt need their help!" changes that fact? Your problem is with Zoro doing anything meaningful and is willing to toss aside story telling and themes to make Luffy the end all be all.

Your entire "argument" will immediately shatter if Kaido is nerfed in any way or if Luffy receives any kind of assistance against him.

 

[Zowo]

Lmao Zoro is stronger than Ashura Doji?

yes

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

So you're so far gone that you'll claim that getting your skull cracked and saying your head hurts means your head isnt hurt at all? A lot of logic you'd have to dance around to enforce this.....that's like saying Gamma Knife did nothing to Mingo since he got back up like nothing happened.

And BM had bruises fighting Kaido so once again you lie.



Far superior COA? Luffy was complaining about Cracker's COA being too strong. Cracker could keep up with Boundman without FS and Luffy was no match for him just like Katakuri. Once again, you're just making a bunch of assumptions for the sake of your argument.



Not even gonna bother going into detail with this mess. Law and Nami assisted Luffy in beating Mingo and Cracker. You honestly think that shouting "Luffy wouldnt need their help!" changes that fact? Your problem is with Zoro doing anything meaningful and is willing to toss aside story telling and themes to make Luffy the end all be all.

Your entire "argument" will immediately shatter if Kaido is nerfed in any way or if Luffy receives any kind of assistance against him.

In his eyes it’s only bad if it’s Zoro helping him. Law and Kidd were apparently created solely to be nigh equals to Luffy and help him with Kaido (despite their rushed intro and creation) even though Zoro’s been connected to Dragonslayer Ryuma and now Kaido Maiming Oden since the first 100 chapters of the story.

 

[Ena]

Zoro significantly damaging Luffy’s chief enemy, the first Yonko he ever fought and his first step into that top echelon, would absolutely undermine him.

Maybe you should reread One Piece if you really think that...

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Luffybois logic
If Law and Kidd help him against Kaido It's fine

Zoro his right hand man/best friend..the second Ryuma..even represents Oden somehow helping him is bad

 

[Finalbeta]

Maybe you should reread One Piece if you really think that...

Luffy ain't doing anything swordsmanship wise

 

[Ena]

Luffy ain't doing anything swordsmanship wise

Actually the problem is not even with Luffy not being a swordsman...
But the thing is: Luffy is a captain... Kaido is way beyond his league. That's a fact. What the fuck is wrong with a captain needing help from his crewmate? Zoro is the first mate and the swordsman of the Strawhats, cutting Kaido would not even contradict his role in the crew...
Mihawk said Luffy's greatest power was recruiting allies and making friends... He is not only a fighter, he is also a great leader... That's one of the most important things in OP. That's why we have the concept of CoC
Having a powerful FM who is ready to face the strongest creature alive with him would absolutely NOT undermine Luffy...

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Lmao Zoro is stronger than Ashura Doji?

Well yeah, Ashura can't tame Enma... As stated by fuckin Hitetsu... You think Hitetsu just goes around saying people can just casually surpass Oden by making black blades to just anyone... Hehehe... Oda made sure to add the line that not even the scabbards could wield enma and he even had the scabbards in that very panel reacting to Zoro flexing

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Actually the problem is not even with Luffy not being a swordsman...
But the thing is: Luffy is a captain... Kaido is way beyond his league. That's a fact. What the fuck is wrong with a captain needing help from his crewmate? Zoro is the first mate and the swordsman of the Strawhats, cutting Kaido would not even contradict his role in the crew...
Mihawk said Luffy's greatest power was recruiting allies and making friends... He is not only a fighter, he is also a great leader... That's one of the most important things in OP. That's why we have the concept of CoC
Having a powerful FM who is ready to face the strongest creature alive with him would absolutely NOT undermine Luffy...

We even found out that Killer helped Kidd fight Kaido, yet Zoro is banned from fighting Kaido because it would undermine Luffy...somehow.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I guess that Killer helping Kidd undermine Kidd too then

 

[Ena]

We even found out that Killer helped Kidd fight Kaido, yet Zoro is banned from fighting Kaido because it would undermine Luffy...somehow.

Oh yeah, Luffy gathered his crewmates just for lulz. Of course they can't go out of their way to help him in his fight. The first mate helping his captain???? That would be ridiculous.

 

[Lifeismeh]

He may use some cutting techniques like rankyaku or whatever, I dunno G4 is so weird he may have a form that will give him cutting attacks, but for sure luffy can't use a sword and won't use it against kaido