General & Others How did Shanks>Mihawk become so popular?

Weeman

Weeman

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Who's the strongest between the two was intentionally left vague by Oda.
Strongest swordsman doesn't mean shit in this case because Mihawk has refused to fight Shanks since he lost his arm, and in that time he became a Yonko.
We have NOTHING to go off of so it usually all comes down to bias and who people like more between the two.
 
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3'Bobby

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Zowo said:
fuji is not limited to his swordsmanship still below mihawk :kayneshrug:
just like zoro isn t and could created multiple arms and heads :kayneshrug:
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I'm not saying that's the reason for him being stronger, just that him being a swordsman is not all there is to it. Shanks already showed to be able to clash with Whitebeard and Kaido as well, making the latter even retreat. Mihawk wanted to measure the distance between them (Shichibukai) and Whitebeard but couldn't reach him due to Jozu, also later on he got stopped by Vista who showed equal or superior swordsmanship according to the databooks.

My point is that we don't even know how Shanks really fights yet so it's silly to just brush him off as a swordsman.
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CbShadow said:
Technically, neither is Mihawk or Zoro.

Mihawk is skillfully and strong with a pocket knife. While Zoro is skillfully and strong with a short blade and scythe.
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I never made that claim? But regardless, that's definitely their main forte and what they're known for.
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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3'Bobby said:
I'm not saying that's the reason for him being stronger, just that him being a swordsman is not all there is to it. Shanks already showed to be able to clash with Whitebeard and Kaido as well, making the latter even retreat. Mihawk wanted to measure the distance between them (Shichibukai) and Whitebeard but couldn't reach him due to Jozu, also later on he got stopped by Vista who showed equal or superior swordsmanship according to the databooks.

My point is that we don't even know how Shanks really fights yet so it's silly to just brush him off as a swordsman.
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It's silly to brush him off as a swordsman despite him being shown to use a sword since he was a child all the way to now
For 30 plus years
Has a named sword
The wb feat was with his sword
The ace novel says when his coc doesn't work he reaches for his sword

But we should say he's not a swordsman.

Explain
 
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3'Bobby

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HA001 said:
It's silly to brush him off as a swordsman despite him being shown to use a sword since he was a child all the way to now
For 30 plus years
Has a named sword
The wb feat was with his sword
The ace novel says when his coc doesn't work he reaches for his sword

But we should say he's not a swordsman.

Explain
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You're completely twisting my words. I never denied him being a swordsman, but it's silly to just brush him off as that and leave it at that. If you think that's all there is to it, go ahead. But Oda himself says differently.
 
CbShadow

CbShadow

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3'Bobby said:
I'm not saying that's the reason for him being stronger, just that him being a swordsman is not all there is to it. Shanks already showed to be able to clash with Whitebeard and Kaido as well, making the latter even retreat. Mihawk wanted to measure the distance between them (Shichibukai) and Whitebeard but couldn't reach him due to Jozu, also later on he got stopped by Vista who showed equal or superior swordsmanship according to the databooks.

My point is that we don't even know how Shanks really fights yet so it's silly to just brush him off as a swordsman.
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Yet it took Diamond, one in the hardest substance in one piece world, to stop his attack that was designed to cut flesh and blood. Why do people continue to downplay that. WB in his prime would have been able to deal with that attack himself I had plenty of energy to spare.

The databook was talking about their ability to use and parry with a sword when it says swordsmanship skills. It wasn't talking about his overall strength as a swordsman. It's the world strongest swordsman not the world most skilled swordsman.

That's like you going
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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3'Bobby said:
You're completely twisting my words. I never denied him being a swordsman, but it's silly to just brush him off as that and leave it at that. If you think that's all there is to it, go ahead. But Oda himself says differently.
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Oda says nothing of the sort. And there's no such thing as more than a swordsman. You either are or you aren't.
 
Erkan12

Erkan12

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Weeman said:
Who's the strongest between the two was intentionally left vague by Oda.
Strongest swordsman doesn't mean shit in this case because Mihawk has refused to fight Shanks since he lost his arm, and in that time he became a Yonko.
We have NOTHING to go off of so it usually all comes down to bias and who people like more between the two.
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Could be but I doubt.

This could be more like Zoro vs Luffy, when its obvious who is stronger, the Zoro supporters defends that Zoro isn't weaker than Luffy blindly, some even says Zoro is stronger than Luffy.

Its the same Zoro fans that defends Mihawk against Shanks, who also think Zoro is even stronger than Luffy when its the opposite. Its more like Zoro fans issue, if you remove the Zoro fans I doubt Mihawk would get more than %10 vote against Shanks, could be even lower than %5.
 
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3'Bobby

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HA001 said:
Oda says nothing of the sort. And there's no such thing as more than a swordsman. You either are or you aren't.
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"but how does he actually fight?"

What do you mean you can't be more than a swordsman? Big Mom and Fujitora wield swords but that's definitely not all there is to their power. You can turn a blind eye all you want, but fact of the matter is that Oda himself is confirming that we don't know how Shanks fights. That means that apart from swordsmanship there is more to Shanks combat capabilities..

If you know better than Oda himself, go ahead.
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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Erkan12 said:
Could be but I doubt.

This could be more like Zoro vs Luffy, when its obvious who is stronger the Zoro supporters defends that Zoro isn't weaker than Luffy blindly, some even says Zoro is stronger than Luffy.

Its the same Zoro fandom that defends Mihawk against Shanks, who also think Zoro is even stronger than Luffy when its the opposite. Its more like Zoro fandom issue, if you remove the Zoro fans I doubt Mihawk would get more than %10 vote against Shanks, could be even lower than %5.
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Yeah the negative iq trolls who fail to grasp what the 3 simple words worlds strongest swordsman mean in conjuction with a swordsman shanks are deffo right.
 
CbShadow

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GreenEggsAHam said:
No, Jozu still had flesh and blood he wasn't fully covered in diiamond
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When he see Jozu it's after he stopped the attack and he only has a small part of his body not cover. That was half his face and just the left shoulder. His left hand is covered in Diamond.


I believe Jozu entire body was covered when he stopped the attack. It doesn't make any sense for him to not cover that small portion of his body. We were never told his body outside the diamond is incredibly durable.
 
HA001

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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3'Bobby said:
"but how does he actually fight?"

What do you mean you can't be more than a swordsman? Big Mom and Fujitora wield swords but that's definitely not all to their power. You can turn a blind eye all you want, but fact of the matter is that Oda himself is confirming that we don't know how Shanks fights. That means that apart from swordsmanship there is more to Shanks combat capabilities..

If you know better than Oda himself, go ahead.
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That doesn't stop them being swordsman though.
Zoro fought cabaji in a swordsduel yet cabaji spat fire kicked threw spinning tops more than he used his sword
It was still a swords duel.
 
CbShadow

CbShadow

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3'Bobby said:
"but how does he actually fight?"

What do you mean you can't be more than a swordsman? Big Mom and Fujitora wield swords but that's definitely not all there is to their power. You can turn a blind eye all you want, but fact of the matter is that Oda himself is confirming that we don't know how Shanks fights. That means that apart from swordsmanship there is more to Shanks combat capabilities..

If you know better than Oda himself, go ahead.
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He fights with a sword. He just uses flowing haki with his sword. A power we didn't fully understand back then. Mihawk never showed that power during the war.
 
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GreenEggsAHam

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CbShadow said:
When he see Jozu it's after he stopped the attack and he only has a small part of his body not cover. That was half his face and just the left shoulder. His left hand is covered in Diamond.
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Exactly so Mihawk cannot even cut flesh/Blood if he wanted
That would just mean assuming from his title every other swordsmen would do worse, and what about Mihawk, Whitebeard didnt wanna waste energy on mihawk he want people stronger to waste energy on the 3 admirals
 
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3'Bobby

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HA001 said:
That doesn't stop them being swordsman though.
Zoro fought cabaji in a swordsduel yet cabaji spat fire kicked threw spinning tops more than he used his sword
It was still a swords duel.
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Never mind, you keep on twisting my words. I don't think you have actually read what I said to you, Shanks is a swordsman (among other things, just like Big Mom i.e.) but that's definitely all there is to him. If you don't believe so read the SBS answer Oda provided.
CbShadow said:
He fights with a sword. He just uses flowing haki with his sword. A power we didn't fully understand back then. Mihawk never showed that power during the war.
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What are you talking about? This is from volume 87.
 
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