General & Others How did Shanks>Mihawk become so popular?

[CbShadow]

Exactly so Mihawk cannot even cut flesh/Blood if he wanted
That would just mean assuming from his title every other swordsmen would do worse, and what about Mihawk, Whitebeard didnt wanna waste energy on mihawk he want people stronger to waste energy on the 3 admirals

Stop that BS.

I provide you scenes showing Diamond Jozu use his powers. You're the person who believe he didn't completely cover his body in diamond. His body wasn't covered at all before the attack. You can't actually see his body he blocks your attack. It's foolish for me to believe that he wouldn't use Diamond to completely block the attack and that is his power and we see him using it.

Wrong, he didn't have the energy to waste. Remember in the past he could fight for 3 days. Here, after performance a few attacks he had a heart attack.

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Never mind, you keep on twisting my words. I don't think you have actually read what I said to you, Shanks is a swordsman (among other things, just like Big Mom i.e.) but that's definitely all there is to him. If you don't believe so read the SBS answer Oda provided.

What are you talking about? This is from volume 87.

Volume 87 is before the straw hats get to Wano.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

I provide you scenes showing Diamond Jozu use his powers. You're the person who believe he didn't completely cover his body in diamond. His body wasn't covered at all before the attack. You can't actually see his body he blocks your attack. It's foolish for me to believe that he wouldn't use Diamond to completely block the attack and that is his power and we see him using it.

He only used half-diamond jozu, unless you're making up headcannon now? I mean your the same one that hate shanks fan headcannon, but you use your own MIhawk fans bro I swear,
-Jozu had flesh and blood, mihawk failed to cut that
-Mihawk air slashes are strong but can be stopped
-Air slashes=/=<Melee Slashes

Wrong, he didn't have the energy to waste. Remember in the past he could fight for 3 days. Here, after performance a few attacks he had a heart attack.

Oda still said he was stronger Mihawk after the heart attack

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

You're completely twisting my words. I never denied him being a swordsman, but it's silly to just brush him off as that and leave it at that. If you think that's all there is to it, go ahead. But Oda himself says differently.

"Apparently it's called "Griffon." We've known Shanks ever since the very first chapter, but how does he actually fight?"

It's almost as if Oda's playing dumb with his answer.

 

[Weeman]

Yeah the negative iq trolls who fail to grasp what the 3 simple words worlds strongest swordsman mean in conjuction with a swordsman shanks are deffo right.

Don't you ever question the logistics of the World's Strongest Swordsman title?

There doesn't seem to be a swordsman world ranking, and i doubt there's some kind of swordsman world tournament either.
Zoro could become the strongest by beating Mihawk but without actually having defeated every other swordfighter in the series, so why does this not apply to Mihawk?

Vista was like the only other swordsman of renown we met by the time we reached Marineford and it seems he and Mihawk had never even met before. Again, Mihawk seems to have no interest in fighting Shanks due to the loss of his arm. Nothing seems to point out that Mihawk has actually provenly defeated every other swordfighter in the series.

The title seems to work much like how a boxing or wrestling title would: Whoever defeats the champion becomes the champion.
So as far as we know, WSS only means two things:

1. That Mihawk either defeated the previous world strongest or earned the title through accomplishments like with the Pirate King title.

2. He hasn't lost since.

It doesn't mean that he's challenged or been challenged by, and then defeated every other swordfighter in the world.

This is why you can have characters like Shanks, Big Mom and Fujitora, and still have Mihawk be known as the strongest, since chances are none of those characters have gone out of their way to challenge Mihawk for the title.

Shanks is just the most obvious because MIHAWK HIMSELF stated he had no interest in fighting someone who lost an arm.

Stop acting as if "World's Strongest Swordsman" means he's actually beaten every sword fighter in the world, that's just not possible.

 

[CbShadow]

He only used half-diamond jozu, unless you're making up headcannon now? I mean your the same one that hate shanks fan headcannon, but you use your own MIhawk fans bro I swear,
-Jozu had flesh and blood, mihawk failed to cut that
-Mihawk air slashes are strong but can be stopped
-Air slashes=/=<Melee Slashes

Oda still said he was stronger Mihawk after the heart attack

Here it is again. He is not half diamond. Look at his left hand. He is holding it up.

Besides that's after the attack is over.

 

[HA001]

Don't you ever question the logistics of the World's Strongest Swordsman title?

There doesn't seem to be a swordsman world ranking, and i doubt there's some kind of swordsman world tournament either.
Zoro could become the strongest by beating Mihawk but without actually having defeated every other swordfighter in the series, so why does this not apply to Mihawk?

Vista was like the only other swordsman of renown we met by the time we reached Marineford and it seems he and Mihawk had never even met before. Again, Mihawk seems to have no interest in fighting Shanks due to the loss of his arm. Nothing seems to point out that Mihawk has actually provenly defeated every other swordfighter in the series.

The title seems to work much like how a boxing or wrestling title would: Whoever defeats the champion becomes the champion.
So as far as we know, WSS only means two things:

1. That Mihawk either defeated the previous world strongest or earned the title through accomplishments like with the Pirate King title.

2. He hasn't lost since.

It doesn't mean that he's challenged or been challenged by, and then defeated every other swordfighter in the world.

This is why you can have characters like Shanks, Big Mom and Fujitora, and still have Mihawk be known as the strongest, since chances are none of those characters have gone out of their way to challenge Mihawk for the title.

Shanks is just the most obvious because MIHAWK HIMSELF stated he had no interest in fighting someone who lost an arm.

Stop acting as if "World's Strongest Swordsman" means he's actually beaten every sword fighter in the world, that's just not possible.

Worlds strongest swordsman means he's the strongest swordsman in the world.
Oda won't give one of the main characters a fake hollow dream where he's got the title but he's not actually the strongest
Don't talk about the logistics of anything when you don't have a functioning brain.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Don't you ever question the logistics of the World's Strongest Swordsman title?

I question the logistics of this line of thinking. Why does Mihawk get the World Strongest Swordsman title but not Big Mom or Shanks?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

hand

Im looking at the panels and see no left-hand? actually it looked like jozu didnt even use diamond to counter it just barrier Haki and his own durablity

 

[Weeman]

Worlds strongest swordsman means he's the strongest swordsman in the world.
Oda won't give one of the main characters a fake hollow dream where he's got the title but he's not actually the strongest
Don't talk about the logistics of anything when you don't have a functioning brain.

My point still stands. If Zoro can become the WSS without actually defeating every other Swordsman in the world, then why doesn't this apply to Mihawk.

I question the logistics of this line of thinking. Why does Mihawk get the World Strongest Swordsman title but not Big Mom or Shanks?

For the same reason Zoro can become WSS without ever fighting them either.

I'm not here to act like Mihawk isn't top tier or that he can't be stronger than either of those too.

But using the logic of "world's strongest means world's strongest" would be like saying "Pirate King" means Roger actually defeated every other pirate crew in the world.
It's a colloquial title, not a literal one. There can't be a literal "strongest swordsman" because that would imply no one could eventually rise in power and defeat them.

 

[HA001]

My point still stands. If Zoro can become the WSS without actually defeating every other Swordsman in the world, then why doesn't this apply to Mihawk.

For the same reason Zoro can become WSS without ever fighting them either.

I'm not here to act like Mihawk isn't top tier or that he can't stronger than either of those too.

But using the logic of "world's strongest means world's strongest" would be like saying "Pirate King" means Roger actually defeated every other pirate crew in the world.
It's a colloquial title, not a literal one. There can't be a literal "strongest swordsman" because that would imply no one could eventually rise in power and defeat them.

Zoro doesn't have to beat EVERY swordsman.
He has to beat THE STRONGEST

 

[Weeman]

Zoro doesn't have to beat EVERY swordsman.
He has to beat THE STRONGEST

Which means Mihawk could've beaten the previous world strongest and never have fought the likes of Big Mom either.

If Mihawk has refused to fight Shanks for over a decade, a decade that had him become a Yonko and gain world renown, how can anyone be 100% sure that Mihawks beats Shanks. There is no definitive answer.

 

[Zowo]

My point still stands. If Zoro can become the WSS without actually defeating every other Swordsman in the world, then why doesn't this apply to Mihawk.

For the same reason Zoro can become WSS without ever fighting them either.

I'm not here to act like Mihawk isn't top tier or that he can't be stronger than either of those too.

But using the logic of "world's strongest means world's strongest" would be like saying "Pirate King" means Roger actually defeated every other pirate crew in the world.
It's a colloquial title, not a literal one. There can't be a literal "strongest swordsman" because that would imply no one could eventually rise in power and defeat them.

bruh u question what author said? mf oda said mihawk is the strongest swordsman he is the strongest swordsman
the fk u talking about

 

[CbShadow]

Im looking at the panels and see no left-hand? actually it looked like jozu didnt even use diamond to counter it just barrier Haki and his own durablity

Here is the scene in color.

You see his left hand is diamond

 

[HA001]

Which means Mihawk could've beaten the previous world strongest and never have fought the likes of Big Mom either.

If Mihawk has refused to fight Shanks for over a decade, a decade that had him become a Yonko and gain world renown, how can anyone be 100% sure that Mihawks beats Shanks. There is no definitive answer.

That's the point. If you think mihawk just has the title but isn't actually the strongest

You are saying oda is gonna give one of the main cast a fake hollow dream.
Which is retarded.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

You see his left hand is diamond

Much much clearer thanks, what does he left-hand have to do with anything tho?

 

[CbShadow]

Which means Mihawk could've beaten the previous world strongest and never have fought the likes of Big Mom either.

If Mihawk has refused to fight Shanks for over a decade, a decade that had him become a Yonko and gain world renown, how can anyone be 100% sure that Mihawks beats Shanks. There is no definitive answer.

Because Oda tells us. It's the same way Oda allows Zoro to cut fire. It's Oda's manga, not yours.

You are intentionally trying to make things out to be confusing.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

You are saying oda is gonna give one of the main cast a fake hollow dream.

No its only retarted to zoro fans, if oda gives it a good plot he won't care he once said in a sbs he rather have a beautiful story than one that makes sense

 

[Zowo]

No its only retarted to zoro fans, if oda gives it a good plot he won't care he once said in a sbs he rather have a beautiful story than one that makes sense

what?
so zoro s dream is fake

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

what?
so zoro s dream is fake

What? Zoro wants to become WSS, the WSS is mihawk but if Mihawk loses that title he won't care, he'll just go after whoever has that title

 

[Zowo]

What? Zoro wants to become WSS, the WSS is mihawk but if Mihawk loses that title he won't care, he'll just go after whoever has that title

the thing is mihawk wont lose his title