Speculations Could Luffy use a sword against Kaido?!

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
argument of 18 yr old oden and zoro rn does not need to be had regardless. people grow differently . zoro's cap is significantly higher than what oden was at his prime. you should take this with a grain of salt.
its like those arguing 5 yr old big mom was stronger than luffy at 5 . like so what?
luffy will grow to surpass mama at her prime. grand scheme of things, it doesnt matter.
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Not to mention, Oden had a better environment to train, with far more individuals versed in haki and other advanced concepts. Up until meeting Luffy, Zoro only had his dojo with rookie students and EB level fighters, with the possible exception of Koshiro.
 
Because cutting a mountain in half is an indicator of how well you’d do against any opposition.

Except those are Luffy’s peers. They are rival captains, they’re Luffy’s rivals, not Zoro’s. Killer fighting Kaido alongside the Kid and the rest of the alliance is different, as there is a singular enemy as opposed to a wide swath of enemies in the middle of the war. Also, Kid is not Luffy.

Btw, remember when the only reason Zoro even fought Kuma to begin with was because Luffy was incapacitated, after having to carry the crew on his own and fight the strongest enemy on the island while everybody, Zoro included, stood and watched because it was Luffy’s role and not theirs to fight the strongest enemy? And the fact that you even mention Morgan, who Luffy would have rolled regardless is ridiculous and not even remotely the same, as again, Luffy would have destroyed him and the scene itself was to show off Zoro, who would be joining the crew moments later. I treat Zoro’s relationship with Luffy like that because it is like that. The only other person that’s as close to Luffy as Zoro is Nami, and the three of them have a different relationship to each other being the three most important and original members of the crew, but that does not overcome the dominant theme of the entire story, reinforced by Zoro himself on EL and then again as a crew on TB, that Luffy fights the person that only he can beat, and doesn’t have help from the crew in crunch time.

Because it was a way to hype and draw attention to Oden, one of the three men, the other two being Luffy and Kaido, that the entire arc is predicated on, if you couldn’t tell by the fact that we are now in the midst of a flashback detailing Oden’s life.
TIL Drake and Hawkins are Luffy's rivals.

But somehow it's hard to believe Enma is hinted to scar Kaido again eh ? Clown
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Do I really have to explain to you how slow Zoro is compared to Base Luffy. Katakuri a fast fighter with Future Sight had trouble keeping up with Base Luffy so he had to use Awakening. So much so that he was stressing Katakuri out.

Doflamingo strong, versatile another fighter had trouble with Luffy's G2 Speed as well.

Zoro on the other hand would look like a starue from Luffy,'s perspective.

He struggled with killer, Hawkins and Gyukimaru, people multiple times below Doflamingo and Katakuri.

Zoro is slower than Base Luffy, Law, Sanji, Kilker, Carrot. He has trouble with fadt agile opponents.

That is why all his opponents he does well with post timeskip are slow people.
Katakuri didn't have trouble against Base Luffy except when he was unfocused.

Doffy had zero trouble with G2 Luffy before Gamma Knife.
Luffy G2 was slow to Hyouzou and then you come here talking about Hawkins, who was portrayed faster than base Drake pre-TS.

Go still believe Luffy will use a sword Clown.
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
She didn’t get her skull cracked. He landed on her head and she complained about a headache. If you think that’s a legit injury then you’re lost. She was fine, fell asleep, and then got right back up to stalemate Kaido. Stop it.

Luffy wasn’t complaining about Cracker’s CoA being to strong, he mentioned it once and then popped into Gear 4 and broke through it with ease. Even hitting Katakuri’s CoA in G4 caused Luffy significant pain. He clearly had much stronger CoA than Cracker. None of that is an assumption, it’s a fact. That you think Katakuri wouldn’t roll Cracker days enough.

Lol I’m willing to toss aside story telling and themes when you’re the one advocating that Zoro do significant damage to Luffy’s enemy, which has never been done, not a single time in the story. I’m throwing away story telling and themes when you’re the one advocating for a clear and wide gap between Luffy and Zoro to be closed such that Zoro can do significant harm to Luffy’s greatest enemy yet, despite the gap between Luffy and Zoro. I’m the one throwing away story telling and themes when you’re the one advocating for the abandonment of the theme that Luffy fights the one that only he can fight, and Zoro fights the next in line.

No, it actually won’t on either account. If Kaido is nerfed in any way, that puts less necessity on Zoro to join in. And when Luffy receives assistance, because he will, it won’t “shatter” my argument as I’ve never once argued that Luffy would not receive it, only that he will not receive it from Zoro because it’s not his place. Luffy will get help from his peers, which are Law, Kid, and possible Drake and Hawkins.

Maybe you should point out to me the times Zoro has teamed with Luffy in the final, most important fight of any arc and delivered a significant blow to any of Luffy’s enemies.

Stop. Ashura Doji stalemated Jack in a brief clash. Zoro got ran through with a scythe by Killer and fainted. How about Zoro actually does something of value that puts him on the level of someone like Jack before we assign him that.
First you said Law nerfing Mingo didnt count cause Luffy didnt need help.....then you say it doesnt count cause Law is his rival, not his subordinate.

That brings us to Nami the subordinate assisting Luffy against Cracker by nerfing him. You say this doesnt count cause "Nami only made Cracker's delay tactics fail." You serious? Cracker was clearly nerfed because of Nami. Saying otherwise is stupid.

Luffy rarely beats his opponents solely due to his own strength. You're playing some major mental gymnastics and falling in last place. Zoro has the only blade that could damage Kaido....let's use it for a Flying Fighter instead.....
 
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Do I really have to explain to you how slow Zoro is compared to Base Luffy. Katakuri a fast fighter with Future Sight had trouble keeping up with Base Luffy so he had to use Awakening. So much so that he was stressing Katakuri out.

Doflamingo strong, versatile another fighter had trouble with Luffy's G2 Speed as well.

Zoro on the other hand would look like a starue from Luffy,'s perspective.

He struggled with killer, Hawkins and Gyukimaru, people multiple times below Doflamingo and Katakuri.

Zoro is slower than Base Luffy, Law, Sanji, Kilker, Carrot. He has trouble with fadt agile opponents.

That is why all his opponents he does well with post timeskip are slow people.
Like Hyouzou ? You know the ''strong octopus'' that could easily defend against G2 and poison him at the same time?
 
Like Hyouzou ? You know the ''strong octopus'' that could easily defend against G2 and poison him at the same time?
Zoro has been shitted on by Oda in Wano, due to him being angry st Zoro fans. When you guys push your luck, Oda brings you back to earth by showimg you the difference between Zoro, Sanji and Luffy.
 
Zoro has been shitted on by Oda in Wano, due to him being angry st Zoro fans. When you guys push your luck, Oda brings you back to earth by showimg you the difference between Zoro, Sanji and Luffy.
That's why he's been at the center of the Yasu story, the Hiyori story, given Oden's sword that scarred Kaido, inspiration to Momonosuke, two fights against two SNs and important to the Gyukimaru story ?
 
Zoro has been shitted on by Oda in Wano, due to him being angry st Zoro fans. When you guys push your luck, Oda brings you back to earth by showimg you the difference between Zoro, Sanji and Luffy.
Zoro's been shitted on by giving him the most fights and a princess and new swords and power ups and it's revealed he's the first to unlock armament haki in Alabasta and more stuff from his past keeps coming up and he's now in the running for guys who will fight a Yonkou and not bake cakes... Hmmm right
 
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