Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion

[rerere]

Omg

Et tu Brutus?
Shipper?

More like a gag man

 

[Kuro Ashi]

1. I am not convinced that Yamato takes a significant role in Kaido's defeat given Oden's prophecy.
2. The Supernova are already badly injured and exhausted whereas Kaido is virtually fresh:
   • Redon said that given how heavily injured the three main damage dealers of the Supernova were, he doesn't think they can beat Kaido in 10 chapters.
     • I'm guessing he's referring to the captains.
   • The Supernova stressed last chapter that they've been through "Hell".
     • Luffy said that he's been to Hell and back a few times already.
   • This chapter is literally titled "Hell".
   • Kaido is facing a Roof Five that are far from their peak.
     • Any feats he performs against them should be interpreted in light of that.
3. I don't assume that the other 4 Supernova are comparable to Zoro in raw power.
   • Oda has repeatedly stressed that only Zoro and Luffy have the ability to properly damage Kaido
4. I acknowledge that Zoro doesn't have the stamina to fight against top tiers for long.
5. I scale Hybrid Kaido at high top tier (a level above the likes of Issho and his Base self).
   • If Kaido reveals an Awakened form, I would place him on an even higher level above current top tiers.
   • The existence of Awakening for Kaido wouldn't change the fact that Base Kaido could low diff and oneshot Pre Udon Boundman.
     • Other top tiers don't get upscaled to magically be on par with Kaido's feats.
6. The Roof Five have already performed so exceptionally that they should all get the benefit of the doubt against Pre Udon Boundman.
   • Five Pre Udon Boundman still get stomped by Base Kaido.
   • The Roof Five held off Hybrid Kaido and Prometheus fused Mama for 30 minutes+.
     • Hell, it could have been hours for all we know.

Tl:Dr; regardless of how the battle evolves from here on out, my current wank is warranted.

It seems like you both want to have your cake and eat it when you admit 5 SN's vs 2 Yonko was like being in Hell, and say the Yonko are fresh while the SN's are all fucked up, but also want to scale that performance favorably relative to the strength of the Yonko :kizabat:

We've only seen other Top Tiers to similar levels of casualness to what we did Kaido and Big Mom pre Wano. I would not be surprised in fact if we're going to get Kaido slander after some of the Admirals, Shanks or Blackbeard start showing up after this arc and showcasing impressive feats/ doing better than expected against characters that Kaido/Big Mom went up against.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

He may have used one of these to block the Haikai attack this chapter. Pound canon or 3000 worlds.

Makes sense since its blocking two youkous at once. Zoro still has mad moves in his bag. Gorilla attacks etc... people don't realize that Zoro and Luffy has the most name attacks in the series. Zoro bag os huge

 

[Marimo_420]

All fax

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

Beating a calamity isn’t even impressive at this point. And it’s totally possible that Sanji just gets short Marineford style skirmishes.

I mean if he face YC lvl opponent, it is great feat especially solo compare to team fight on Yonko given credit is more share around (Unless Luffy vs Kaido which is coming later).

 

[RayanOO]

the gap between zoro and luffy was never meant to be what you see in yonkos and most right hands
that was misplaced
so

then how will she be the big bad on elbaf
only luffy fights?

i don’t even think she will be the big bad of elbaf because in the end I think Olin and the giant will be cool again and Kata will lead the crew.

Maybe she will be the enemy just in the beginning.

Or maybe Elbaf arc will be a lot more unpredictable and something will appear an other enemy etc

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

luffy is heavily injured?

 

[Bogard]

Zoro was reacting to BM and Kaido attack before this chapter. No it looks that way because they are equal fighting combat wise. Zoro still hasn't brought out the big guns yet. 3000 worlds, 1080 pound hakied up cannon and Ashura mode.

All of this is attack power, which once again is Zoro's forte. But attack power isn't useful if you can't land your attacks.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

We haven't seen him go at full power. He could have new G4 Form or even G5 possible. Oda always make Luffy strongest overall.

Agreed, just like we haven't seen Zoro

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Zoro high diff Luffy atm

Luffy needs to show more

 

[Pantheos]

If Ulti and P1 join Kidd Pirates, then this shit is gonna happen 100% during the banquet

Nami: "Ey Killer Sweetie, since we helped you getting down a Yonko, you could gives us some money, huh?" *nami pushing her breasts out, winks romanticaly*

Killer: "You guys better pay us helping you out!"

Luffy & KId: "ASSISTING? HELPING OUT?"
Both with meat in the mouth, face to face, still rivaling.

Most of them laughing their ass off.

In the background, Ulti next to Sanji:
"I am gonna kill this bastard/bitch."

 

[OPKnK]

I agree and hope so for luffy.

But how come Luffy did not see Zoro was going to momentarily block the attack with Fs?

Simple answer will be luffy did not see that far ahead .
I wonder if Oda will ever go into how far you can train to see ahead but most likely would be much nonsense so no i guess lol.

 

[Bil02]

Future sight only allows you to see one future. The moment Luffy warned about one future, allowing all of them to prepare in advance, Zoro's reaction changed that future.

Ah I see then.

 

[Adam 🍎]

All of this is attack power, which once again is Zoro's forte. But attack power isn't useful if you can't land your attacks.

Deep Sea King vs Sonic

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I mean if he face YC lvl opponent, it is great feat especially solo compare to team fight on Yonko given credit is more share around (Unless Luffy vs Kaido which is coming later).

Bro, Inu is fighting Jack equally right now. We just saw Kaido demolish NINE Inu’s.
The calamities are not that impressive right now.

 

[Pan D. A. Man]

Completely disagree.

Just saying the truth. Compare it to real life, perspective see you doing things on your own more than in a group.

 

[Cinera]

He did not need to save luffy from bolo breath since he could have just tank it.

This is a myth. Boro Breath badly fucked up Luffy even though he withstood it.:

Luffy Before Boro Breath	Luffy After Boro Breath

Luffy after Zoro saved him from Bolo Breath:

This is not the expression of someone that did not appreciate being saved.

Also vs kaido i call it one time since him losing luffy is what made him get bite and needed saving again lol .

No, there were three separate attacks:

• Tatsumaki
• Dragon Bite
• Tatsumaki: Gale of Destruction

 

[Jo_Ndule]

stop tagging me...I have my reasons why I won't be active yet

Kaido vs Retainers : mid diff
Yonko vs SNs : was mid diff... they didn't do any critical damage to both..are heavenly weakened, barely kicked BM away.
Kaido vs weakened SNs ..he will mid diff
Kaido vs SNs + Yamato + Hawkins + Sanji + ? Incoming

Let's forget the plot booster stuff ..
Kidd, zoro and Luffy in endurance>Any YC/warlord.
Base kidd (while already injured ) tanked base hits and isn't KOed. Survived her punches better than big father capone who did better than Zoan Queen.

Zoro briefly stop/slow down a Combined attack and then cuts fire again. Defensive Award. This is insanely hard to downplay or forget. This is the biggest feat of Wano among SNs outside of Retainers fatal blow on Kaido and KG Gatling on kaido.

MVPs are Law and Kidd:
Kidd catches Zeus and overpowers Linlin with Law coming clutch.

Hybrid Marco can't break free from a mere choke...base kidd while pinned down, can catch her arm and blow her away.
"Muh Marco>Kidd" lol Marco has nothing over kidd now except speed and recovery.

1v1 base linlin (no Weapons ) still wreck any SN mid/high diff except maybe Luffy who loses upper-high diff. None can hurt her critically anyway. Look how she can easily pin Kidd down and punch him.

Im not happy and will never understand why did Oda bring Linlin & BMP in Wano. Wasted potential thus bad choice .
Orochi is useless. Should have died a long time ago

If base kidd can Stop her arm physically and repel her away with his df powers While Law's hax can't shamble BM...If Punk Kidd can slam and squeeze Kaido
Kidd washes any commander or warlord mid/high diff. He's way physically stronger than all of them. Only Kata, Weevil & Mihawk can still beat Kidd and Zoro. AP/DC doesn't beat Kata if your CoO is average and your speed isnt at least above Boundman.

Old PL : Doffy >= Law/Zoro ~ King/Marco but now :
Enma Zoro ~ Doffy/Law > Sanji/Killer / Marco/King/Hancock

Oden : Upper-Mid top
5 SNs combined force ~< Oden
9 Retainers combined force < Oden
Luffy : Low top
Kidd : inbetweener
Zoro/Law: top high tiers
Killer: high high tier

Or else it would 2 v1 or still 5v2 ..if Others were top tiers too. They wouldn't cry to separate Yonko. They would be critically hurting Kaieo and BM long ago.
5v2 or 5v1 means, only Luffy is admiral/low top tier at best.

...so Kaido's AP sucks now or what? U see
Stop downplaying Kata's AP , Plot will always make Luffy & co tanky beyond reasonings.

SNs need to do critical damage or else they are forest so far would be a waste, below Retainers who fatally wounded Kaido even though they lost. Kaido was bleeding, his scar nearly reopened.

So the full summary is out
If Law didn't save Zoro, zoro and co would be dead

I guess redhawk is top tier? GOD LEVEL TOO RIGHT?
Oda actually had hybrid Kaido dodge Luffy’s g2! And luffy comments...on panels!
People shouldn't have hyped Zoro's Hyuo Ken. They were worried about Enma and Zoro AP is Top tier or yonko level.

I like Kaido and Linlin's chemistry.

Kidd and Law were clutch FVMPs to take LInoi out. Zoro was the defensive player of the year
Luffy the Regular MVP so far ovwrall.
Oda paired Killer and Zoro again..both to take away Napoleon and Prometheus at the same time.
Zoro's feat is still good tho. He slowed it down for just 1 second...

Base Luffy blocking hybrid Kaido's base club strike...
Then tanking his named attack...you...
Kaido even felt the need to actually dodge g2!
Luffy remains a class of his own.

Law managing to shamble Zoro this time without his consent/approval ...means that Law >= or Law ~ Zoro. Zoro's haki isn't top tier afterall.

The chapter doesn't sound so bad.
I wished I could be active again ah Life
This chapter wanks Luffy defense and Offense even higher... he is growing mid-fight
Zoro feat still good. I wanna see the panels

...please respect my wishes , don't tag me unless it's informative and serious.
I'll be active agai but not anytime soon.

 

[Rayleigh-Sama]

lluffy is heabily injured?

not even injured lol

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

All of this is attack power, which once again is Zoro's forte. But attack power isn't useful if you can't land your attacks.

He already landed attacks and was implied to of landed attacks offscreen when they said our attacks are not working much.