Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion

[MarineHQ]

Nerfed Kaido vs nerfed SN

It will be a fair fight.

Kaido is barely damaged while the SN are said to look very bad by the end of the chapter.

Kaido is clearly in the better place

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Zoro blocking two Yonko's attack.

 

[BleakAsh]

Jimbei has vowed to not kill his opponents

Its like Superman holding back while Batman is trying to kill Superman

Lol, i understand the analogy...

btw, have you watched the Snyder cut yet?

 

[Akai]

Kaidou: "I hope your legs and hip are still good enough, old hag!!"

okayyyyy.. please Kaido not now. Don’t wanna see your dinglidangli in this fat jellyfish right now

 

[Irregular]

Kaido is barely damaged while the SN are said to look very bad by the end of the chapter.

Kaido is clearly in the better place

I know that Kaido looks better. But he is also injured after so many attacks. He also defeated the scabbards.

 

[Peroroncino]

Zoro blocking two Yonko's attack.

Not gonna try to downplay it?

 

[comrade]

This is my headcanon but I think Luffy's DF awakening which makes the environment become rubber will offset BB's earthquakes :zorothink:

Sounds like a dumb awakening tbh, haha. I think awakening will strengthen his body further. Imagine Blackbeard switching off Luffy's DF, turning him into base without rubber durability and smashing him with a Gura Punch. And there is strong indication Blackbeard will eat a Zoan too, to boost his durability. Luffy will have no chance unless he is able to suppress his DFs.

 

[Cinera]

big mom deserves to be stripped of her title

Retard strength at its finest.

I don't understand the Mama hate TBH. It took 4 Supernova working together to BFR her. Kaido wouldn't have done any better if he had her powers. She was removed because they neutralised her three homies and she can't fly. There's no shame getting beaten like that.

When he can go toe to toe 1v1 with an Emperor then he's a top tier.

Hold back an Emperor? Where do you place Base Kaido? I have him as a mid top tier.

A fresh Rooftop Zoro can probably contend with Base Kaido for a while.

Dawg, Oda is a simp. We been knew

He's just sexist.

yet the Shockwave of the attack alone can potential kill a group of SNs

It's by design a ranged attack. This would be like talking about wanking a direct hit from 1080 Pound Cannon, when the attack is intrinsically a flying slash.

There's no such thing as a direct hit from Hakai, as the attack itself is the flying slash it creates.

its more of feats/consistency thing over something he's missing.

Zoro has:

• The offensive prowess to damage top tiers
  • Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou and compelled Mama to warn Kaido to dodge.
    • Zoro can severely injure the most durable top tier.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki completely overwhelmed Kaido's Tatsumaki and cut him up.
    • Zoro can overwhelm a named attack from a top tier
      • This was Dragon Kaido's most potent attack
• The defensive prowess to block top tier attacks
  • Blocking Hakai however momentarily
• The endurance to withstand attacks from top tiers
  • Indra
  • God of Lightning: Tenjin
  • Several off panel attacks from Kaido and Meme
  • He endured Hakai for a bit
• The reactions to engage top tiers in CQC.
  • Intercepted Heavenly Fire
  • Deflected Demolition Gust
  • Intercepted Boro Breath
  • Dodge Motherly Fire while carrying Luffy
  • Dodged Tatsumaki: Gale of Destruction while carrying Luffy
  • Intercepted Hakai

The only reason Zoro can't beat an Admiral/Yonkou by himself is that his stamina doesn't last long enough (he's pretty winded after fighting for at most a few hours, compared to top tiers who can go for 10 days).

Again, I don't see how Zoro is not a low top tier at this point. Especially if you consider Luffy one.


The Difference Between Zoro and Luffy and High Tiers

High Tiers	Zoro and Luffy
When a top tier catches a high tier off guard, they take them out of the fight: Kuzan freezing Jozu's arm. Sakazuki making a donut of Ace. Kaido oneshotting Boundman. O-Lin two shotting Queen.	When a top tier catches the Roof Five off guard, they tank the attack and keep on going: Mama's Indra (Zoro) Mama's God of Lightning: Tenjin (Zoro) Kaido's Boro Breath (Luffy) Kaido's Three-world Ragnarok (Luffy)
When a high tier catches a top tier off guard they are unable to deal significant damage: Jozu's sneak attack on Kuzan Marco and Vista's sneak attack on Sakazuki Pre Udon Boundman's barrage vs Kaido	Zoro and Luffy can deal significant damage to the most durable top tiers. Red Roc rattled Kaido's skull and had him wondering how high Luffy's ceiling was Hiryuu Kaen was so potent it terrified the Yonkou and caused Mama to warn Kaido to dodge. After it landed, she commented that they had "really underestimated" Zoro. Kong Gatling knocked Kaido out for a few seconds Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki cut Kaido and had him coughing up blood. Kaido dodged Red Hawk.

 

[Lukegranders]

Seems like Marco needs to get to the roof soon or everyone will fall and no healing

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Not gonna try to downplay it?

Can't downplay what's already happening.

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Seems like Marco needs to get to the roof soon or everyone will fall and no healing

Only Luffy and Zoro seem to be heavily injured though

 

[draganax]

Fr.. so zoro might get desperate to cut Kaido if he thinks he won't last long

yep, Asura is coming soon i can't wait.

 

[Lukegranders]

Only Luffy and Zoro seem to be heavily injured though

Oh I know I’m saying that the lesser the numbers the harder it will be to keep kaido in check before he attacks again.

Less combo attacks

 

[mly90]

Mihawk afraid of Zoro

More like surprised Zoro was bowing his head moments later to get trained by this same goat

 

[T.D.A]

Zoro blocking two Yonko's attack.

Zoro D Goat

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I don't understand the Mama hate TBH. It took 4 Supernova working together to BFR her. Kaido wouldn't have done any better if he had her powers. She was removed because they neutralised her three homies and she can't fly. There's no shame getting beaten like that.



Hold back an Emperor? Where do you place Base Kaido? I have him as a mid top tier.

A fresh Rooftop Zoro can probably contend with Base Kaido for a while.



He's just sexist.



It's by design a ranged attack. This would be like talking about wanking a direct hit from 1080 Pound Cannon, when the attack is intrinsically a flying slash.

There's no such thing as a direct hit from Hakai, as the attack itself is the flying slash it creates.



Zoro has:

• The offensive prowess to damage top tiers
  • Hiryuu Kaen terrified the Yonkou and compelled Mama to warn Kaido to dodge.
    • Zoro can severely injure the most durable top tier.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki completely overwhelmed Kaido's Tatsumaki and cut him up.
    • Zoro can overwhelm a named attack from a top tier
      • This was Dragon Kaido's most potent attack
• The defensive prowess to block top tier attacks
  • Blocking Hakai however momentarily
• The endurance to withstand attacks from top tiers
  • Indra
  • God of Lightning: Tenjin
  • Several off panel attacks from Kaido and Meme
  • He endured Hakai for a bit
• The reactions to engage top tiers in CQC.
  • Intercepted Heavenly Fire
  • Deflected Demolition Gust
  • Intercepted Boro Breath
  • Dodge Motherly Fire while carrying Luffy
  • Dodged Tatsumaki: Gale of Destruction while carrying Luffy
  • Intercepted Hakai

The only reason Zoro can't beat an Admiral/Yonkou by himself is that his stamina doesn't last long enough (he's pretty winded after fighting for at most a few hours, compared to top tiers who can go for 10 days).

Again, I don't see how Zoro is not a low top tier at this point. Especially if you consider Luffy one.

Dawg Kaido is one of the strongest in the world. I only have Kaido, Mihawk, Akainu on the same level above everyone. Hybrid Kaido vs Zoro solo would go interesting. Think he pushes Kaido to a mid diff.

Enma Blacked out is a different story. Zoro fuuucks his ass up

 

[Akai]

Every single one of the SN Are MVP in this chapter. Seems like they evolve quickly in this fight. Biggest surprise was Kids tactical skill tbh. Didn’t expect it from a man like him

 

[5000 ng/dl or death]

I wank both, Kaido is a godamn monster.

Anyone denying it is dellusional at this point.

Not denying. He doesnt stack up to Wergo though

Sanji's leg hardness > Luffy armament and Luffy defended against hybrid this chapter while Vergo isnt even trying against Sanji

See if there is any haki on that ankle?

 

[BleakAsh]

yep, Asura is coming soon i can't wait.

but at what cost..

 

[Gorosei Informer]

Mihawk afraid of Zoro