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Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely
This is similar to when:
Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.
I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks
Look at Luffy's case:
As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!
He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!
People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!
We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!
But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it
You and other fanboys :
There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde
Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki
Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido
Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"
This arc:
Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)
Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points
So far in this arc :
In both cases :
Does he have adCoC? No
Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!
In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.
Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.
If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.
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Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely
This is similar to when:
- Kaido wonders "why does his blade have Oden's presence."
- Then a chapter later, we get him confirming "ah i see. .It's his (Oden's)sword "
Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.
I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks
Look at Luffy's case:
- When kaido asked "ah you can also use CoC..just like Kidd" before he says that, we saw Luffy using CoC unconsciously!
- When he uses adCoC, we clearly see the difference in visuals with sparks and haki leakage from his arms
- When he unlocked CoC pre ts, was using it subconsciously, we saw burst! We clearly saw visuals/panels of him using CoC!
As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!
He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!
People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!
We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!
But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it
You and other fanboys :
There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde
Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki
Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido
Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"
This arc:
Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)
Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points
So far in this arc :
- Brook wondered if Zoro used CoC ---> zoro denies
- Kaido wonders if Zoro used CoC/has CoC --> Zoro denies
In both cases :
- we don't see visuals of CoC emitting from Zoro before or when he attacked/talks!
- we see Brook mistook The earthquake came from Zoro screaming madly!
- Which might mean Kaido also mistook Zoro's intiimidating spirit being CoC!
Does he have adCoC? No
Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!
In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.
Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.
If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.
@playa4321 @Sentinel @comrade @Celestial D. Dragon @sanjikun @WesMidnight @SanjiIsStrongerThanZolo @Hades
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