Current Events Honest Question: Why don't people actually want a real 1v1 fight for Zoro?

[CbShadow]

HYBRID IS MIX OF HUMAN AND DRAGON

HUMAN FORM = WEAK DEFENSE / DRAGON FORM STRONGEST TOUGHEST DEFENSE

FULL ZOAN = TOUGHER DEFENSE THAN HYBRID FORM WITH HALF HUMAN SKIN


5 RS MAKE KAIDO FALL TOO HIS KNEE 5 RS MAKE KAIDO FALL TO THE GROUND


ZORO HIMSELF SAY = KAIDO KNEE DONT EVEN TOUCH THE GROUND AFTER MY STRONGEST LAST ATTACK EFFORT



MABYE ZORO CAN EXTREME DIFF YONKO COMMANDER WHERE HE BLONGS

Now let's look at a mystic zoan that makes the user incredibly durable even if it's human form.

My post explains why hybrid Kaido is much stronger and more adorable than his other two forms but for you don't understand that you actually have to read my post. Not just react to it.

Hybrid Kaido is stronger and tougher than base or dragon Kaido.

When the Scabbards attacked dragon Kaido together they cut him and knocked him down.

But Kaido said their attack wasn't enough to open his old wound. Which implies it's harder to create a new scar than it is open an old scar.

When Zoro attacked dragon Kaido with his dragon twister the attack cut him and knocked him down. The attack had similar type power to the Scabbards combination attack but didn't create a new scar.

When Zoro attacked Hybrid Kaido with his asura mode attack it cut Kaido and created a new scar. He acknowledged the strength of the attack a let us know it created a new scar even though it didn't knock him down.

You can see from manga facts how much stronger hybrid Kaido is compared to his other two modes.

We even see Kaido huffing for the first time seconds after he performed an attack which shows the toll Zoro's attack had on his body.

Hold this for my other post.
:holdthisl:

Now hold another for this post.
:holdthisl:

 

[MonsterZoro]

Now let's look at a mystic zoan that makes the user incredibly durable even if it's human form.

My post explains why hybrid Kaido is much stronger and more adorable than his other two forms but for you don't understand that you actually have to read my post. Not just react to it.

Hybrid Kaido is stronger and tougher than base or dragon Kaido.

When the Scabbards attacked dragon Kaido together they cut him and knocked him down.

But Kaido said their attack wasn't enough to open his old wound. Which implies it's harder to create a new scar than it is open an old scar.

When Zoro attacked dragon Kaido with his dragon twister the attack cut him and knocked him down. The attack had similar type power to the Scabbards combination attack but didn't create a new scar.

When Zoro attacked Hybrid Kaido with his asura mode attack it cut Kaido and created a new scar. He acknowledged the strength of the attack a let us know it created a new scar even though it didn't knock him down.

You can see from manga facts how much stronger hybrid Kaido is compared to his other two modes.

We even see Kaido huffing for the first time seconds after he performed an attack which shows the toll Zoro's attack had on his body.

Hold this for my other post.
:holdthisl:

Now hold another for this post.
:holdthisl:

DAMM!! LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 5 RS ATTACK ON KAIDO ( TEMPORARILY FAINTED MORE BLOOD) AND KNOCK KAIDO DOWN



NOW COMPARE TO ZORO ATTACK

NOT EVEN KNOCK TO HIS KNEES



LAW INJECTION KNIFE = ASHURA

 

[CbShadow]

DAMM!! LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 5 RS ATTACK ON KAIDO ( TEMPORARILY FAINTED MORE BLOOD) AND KNOCK KAIDO DOWN



NOW COMPARE TO ZORO ATTACK

NOT EVEN KNOCK TO HIS KNEES



LAW INJECTION KNIFE = ASHURA

Now let's look at a mystic zoan that makes the user incredibly durable even if it's human form.

My post explains why hybrid Kaido is much stronger and more adorable than his other two forms but for you don't understand that you actually have to read my post. Not just react to it.

Hybrid Kaido is stronger and tougher than base or dragon Kaido.

When the Scabbards attacked dragon Kaido together they cut him and knocked him down.

But Kaido said their attack wasn't enough to open his old wound. Which implies it's harder to create a new scar than it is open an old scar.

When Zoro attacked dragon Kaido with his dragon twister the attack cut him and knocked him down. The attack had similar type power to the Scabbards combination attack but didn't create a new scar.

When Zoro attacked Hybrid Kaido with his asura mode attack it cut Kaido and created a new scar. He acknowledged the strength of the attack a let us know it created a new scar even though it didn't knock him down.

You can see from manga facts how much stronger hybrid Kaido is compared to his other two modes.

We even see Kaido huffing for the first time seconds after he performed an attack which shows the toll Zoro's attack had on his body.

Hold this for my other post.
:holdthisl:

Now hold another for this post.
:holdthisl:

How many L are you going to take. Ignore my post all you want I bring facts.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

@CbShadow relax dude, this @MonsterZoro Is trolling

He doesnt actually care... Just remind him that Zoro is gonna beat King now while he is nerfed and it will shut him up... Because you know, Sanji gets thirds as usual

 

[MonsterZoro]

Now let's look at a mystic zoan that makes the user incredibly durable even if it's human form.

My post explains why hybrid Kaido is much stronger and more adorable than his other two forms but for you don't understand that you actually have to read my post. Not just react to it.

Hybrid Kaido is stronger and tougher than base or dragon Kaido.

When the Scabbards attacked dragon Kaido together they cut him and knocked him down.

But Kaido said their attack wasn't enough to open his old wound. Which implies it's harder to create a new scar than it is open an old scar.

When Zoro attacked dragon Kaido with his dragon twister the attack cut him and knocked him down. The attack had similar type power to the Scabbards combination attack but didn't create a new scar.

When Zoro attacked Hybrid Kaido with his asura mode attack it cut Kaido and created a new scar. He acknowledged the strength of the attack a let us know it created a new scar even though it didn't knock him down.

You can see from manga facts how much stronger hybrid Kaido is compared to his other two modes.

We even see Kaido huffing for the first time seconds after he performed an attack which shows the toll Zoro's attack had on his body.

Hold this for my other post.
:holdthisl:

Now hold another for this post.
:holdthisl:

How many L are you going to take. Ignore my post all you want I bring facts.

OMG

ZORO ENMA ATTACK CAN'T EVEN MAKE KAIDO DROP LIKE THE 5 RS ( VETERAN LEVEL BTW)

BUT 5 RS NON HAKI ATTACK MAKE KAIDO FAINT FOr 1 SECOND

BTW ASHURA DIDNT MAKE KAIDO DROP TO HIS KNEES WTF!!!

 

[spawn]

Somehow Zoro leaving the roof has made people more aggressive about him still fighting Kaido lol I don't get that.

There's a very good reason for this.
Prior to the last chapter, people always feared that all of the things related to Zoro in this arc would be concluded the moment he scarred Kaido. Many believed that Zoro would make Enma black when he scarred him, that Zoro's named chapter would be the moment he scars him, and lastly that it would be towards the very end of the fight as a means to help Luffy win the battle against Kaido.

However, the way the entire moment was executed changes things drastically and actually increases the odds of ZKK in the eyes of those who support the idea. The reason for that being the lack of decisiveness the moment had and how it failed to resolve any of the things people (who were in favour of Zoro simply scarring Kaido) expected for it to resolve. No talk about Enma, Enma doesn't become black, Zoro isn't highlighted as being the monstrous samurai that Oden was, Zoro comments about how he failed to make Kaido fall, etcetera.

Now that Zoro has scarred Kaido and we've seen that scarring Kaido isn't the conclusive moment for Zoro in this arc. It now means that the supporters of ZKK no longer have to fear that Zoro's "big moment" at the end of the arc is going to be merely scarring Kaido, instead it will be killing him.

 

[XDJ]

Zoro had his rooftop moment, let him rest and Sanji will take care of the BP First Mate

Prince vs King

 

[bennbeckman]

ZvK CoC clash would be the only way this happens and would make the fight interesting as hell too

 

[Paperchampion23]

There's a very good reason for this.
Prior to the last chapter, people always feared that all of the things related to Zoro in this arc would be concluded the moment he scarred Kaido. Many believed that Zoro would make Enma black when he scarred him, that Zoro's named chapter would be the moment he scars him, and lastly that it would be towards the very end of the fight as a means to help Luffy win the battle against Kaido.

However, the way the entire moment was executed changes things drastically and actually increases the odds of ZKK in the eyes of those who support the idea. The reason for that being the lack of decisiveness the moment had and how it failed to resolve any of the things people (who were in favour of Zoro simply scarring Kaido) expected for it to resolve. No talk about Enma, Enma doesn't become black, Zoro isn't highlighted as being the monstrous samurai that Oden was, Zoro comments about how he failed to make Kaido fall, etcetera.

Now that Zoro has scarred Kaido and we've seen that scarring Kaido isn't the conclusive moment for Zoro in this arc. It now means that the supporters of ZKK no longer have to fear that Zoro's "big moment" at the end of the arc is going to be merely scarring Kaido, instead it will be killing him.

I implore people to reread Chapter 955. Tengu says nothing about turning Enma black by fighting specifically Kaido. Somehow this got twisted into that with all of the fan theories.

He says to him if he takes the sword, he's sure Zoro can permanently turn it black and raise it a rank. That's it.The statement has nothing to do with Hiyori's about actually harming Kaido, which he's already done. It doesn't actually have to be achieved in Wano. I actually DON'T expect it to be achieved in Wano.

I'm just afraid you guys are overhyping a moment that essentially wasn't promised.


Edit: Funny enough I expect Zoro to turn all 3 of his blades black at a later time, not just Enma.

 

[spawn]

I implore people to reread Chapter 955. Tengu says nothing about turning Enma black by fighting specifically Kaido. Somehow this got twisted into that with all of the fan theories.

He says to him if he takes the sword, he's sure Zoro can permanently turn it black and raise it a rank. That's it.The statement has nothing to do with Hiyori's about actually harming Kaido, which he's already done. It doesn't actually have to be achieved in Wano. I actually DON'T expect it to be achieved in Wano.

I'm just afraid you guys are overhyping a moment that essentially wasn't promised.

I’m not sure what Hiyori statement you’re talking about.

The reason why Zoro making Enma a black blade in Wano has become a popular and even a reasonable assumption is because black blades were mentioned twice in Act 2. The idea of forging it was first emphasised by Onimaru in his conversation with Zoro and it got reiterated again by Hitetsu in 955. If it were not to be something that’s further looked at in Wano but instead in future arcs, it would have been brought up towards the end of the arc and not prior to the raid.

Just like how Luffy’s Haki got expanded this last chapter, it’s reasonable to expect a similar development for Zoro with black blades. After all, Luffy and Zoro have been paralleled throughout the entire arc; this would be no different.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I’m not sure what Hiyori statement you’re talking about.

The reason why Zoro making Enma a black blade in Wano has become a popular and even a reasonable assumption is because black blades were mentioned twice in Act 2. The idea of forging it was first emphasised by Onimaru in his conversation with Zoro and it got reiterated again by Hitetsu in 955. If it were not to be something that’s further looked at in Wano but instead in future arcs, it would have been brought up towards the end of the arc and not prior to the raid.

Just like how Luffy’s Haki got expanded this last chapter, it’s reasonable to expect a similar development for Zoro with black blades. After all, Luffy and Zoro have been paralleled throughout the entire arc; this would be no different.

When Hiyori offers him Enma, she mentions it one of the only blades to hurt Kaido. That much paid off already.

And idk man. You would think Oda would have touched on Zoro even thinking or discussing it on the roof, like Luffy then. And even if Zoro turns it black this arc, it doesn't actually have to be against Kaido lol.

He could cut Onigashima in half and turn the blade black to save the capital (dumbass example) and it would still fulfill that narrative structure forshadowing that you are looking for. The idea that Enma turning black is at all tied to the ZKK fan theory is.... just another fan theory.

 

[nik87]

Zolo fanboys really have no shame.
He went from fighting Pica and won with Orlombus' help (but but he did't need it!! Stfu, without Orlombus help, Pica would have flatten and kill Usopp, Zolo would be depressed if Usopp died like that). Then fighting Kamazo which ended up winning but collapsed right after. Then 5 vs 1ing, again, 5 vs 1ing!!! Not 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 1ing Kaido. Sure he landed some heavy hits and inflicted a permanent scar.
But guess whether that new permanent scar from Asura will be relevant / will affect or nerf Kaido enough in his future battle against Luffy. I guess it won't affect him much.

Then suddenly "KiNg iS a FoDdEr, hE iS nO tHrEaT fOr GrAnDmAsTeR!!" Like wtf.
2 ways to downplay King I have seen the most:
1. Marco bodied him in 2 vs 1!!
Yeah, Appo also bodied Zolo and Luffy in 2 vs 1

2. King dropped his sword after being shot by Izo!!
Guess who lost his sword twice, by fucking Tontatta and a fox??

@TheAncientCenturion @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

You have strayed from the righteous path, Topi-chin. Off to the Haki camps with you.

IMAGINE

I tried to, I really did. Eiichiro appeared in my imagination and told me that I would stray from the righteous path, just like Topi-chin.
He said he cannot allow that to happen to his greatest rival in Zoro wank.

 

[Finalbeta]

DAMM!! LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 5 RS ATTACK ON KAIDO ( TEMPORARILY FAINTED MORE BLOOD) AND KNOCK KAIDO DOWN



NOW COMPARE TO ZORO ATTACK

NOT EVEN KNOCK TO HIS KNEES



LAW INJECTION KNIFE = ASHURA

Law's Knife failed to consistently injure Kaido, heck even Gamma Knife did.

Asura Zoro standing in his broken bones accomplished that swiftly instead.

Heck Big Mom helped Kaido dodge Hiryuu Kaen not to mention. Either he could or not by taking the fight seriously at that time.

 

[The White Crane]

I tried to, I really did. Eiichiro appeared in my imagination and told me that I would stray from the righteous path, just like Topi-chin.
He said he cannot allow that to happen to his greatest rival in Zoro wank.

Mate, nobody can rival your Zoro wanking in this forum, if not all of the fandom. But, be careful, Eiichiro might pull a Beyonder to your Molecule Man.

Still supporting you to wank The Grandmaster, though. :cheers:

 

[nik87]

Mate, nobody can rival your Zoro wanking in this forum, if not all of the fandom. But, be careful, Eiichiro might pull a Beyonder to your Molecule Man.

Still supporting you to wank The Grandmaster, though. :cheers:

Appreciate the support, that Eiichiro guy is a tough opponent.

 

[Finalbeta]

Mate, nobody can rival your Zoro wanking in this forum, if not all of the fandom. But, be careful, Eiichiro might pull a Beyonder to your Molecule Man.

Still supporting you to wank The Grandmaster, though. :cheers:

I recall last year I would claim that Zoro's CoA haki was superior to Rayleigh's hehehe. Also that barehanded Zoro would have decimated King.

I was an hothead because I would legitimate believe those.

 

[The White Crane]

I recall last year I would claim that Zoro's CoA haki was superior to Rayleigh's hehehe. Also that barehanded Zoro would have decimated King.

I was an hothead because I would legitimate believe those.

No worries. Your level of Zoro wanking is one of the best, too. :cheers:

 

[spawn]

When Hiyori offers him Enma, she mentions it one of the only blades to hurt Kaido. That much paid off already.

And idk man. You would think Oda would have touched on Zoro even thinking or discussing it on the roof, like Luffy then. And even if Zoro turns it black this arc, it doesn't actually have to be against Kaido lol.

He could cut Onigashima in half and turn the blade black to save the capital (dumbass example) and it would still fulfill that narrative structure forshadowing that you are looking for. The idea that Enma turning black is at all tied to the ZKK fan theory is.... just another fan theory.

I think that Zoro asks himself about CoC while getting nursed and I think we don't get the answers to his questions until he goes back to Kaido. I think he returns having fully figured the entire business regarding CoC and black blades (maybe they are connected? who knows) in a similar fashion to how Luffy came back from being knocked out with his newfound knowledge.

If Zoro makes Enma black in Wano, it's against Kaido.
If Zoro fights King, he will not make Enma black.
Enma will not become a black blade from an inconsequential fight like Zoro v King, otherwise black blades will have no credibility.

Also, another thing I'd like to bring up is Hiryu Kaen.
Oda knew exactly what he was doing when he made Hiryu Kaen miss.
He knew that if he made it miss, it would prompt the natural question of "What would have happened to Kaido had Zoro not missed?"

I don't think he drew that attack intending for us to never get the answer.
I think we get that answer in this arc and that it will be when Zoro returns to fight Kaido.

Also, another thing. Many people confuse the "proof" for ZKK as the parallels with Oden. But no, the reason why ZKK made sense was that Zoro is continuing what Oden started, not because he is simply repeating it.
Enma has everything set up for it to be used for slaying Kaido and to become the new "Shusui", it would make no sense for Enma's story to end after Wano.
I think Greg said it best in his special:

While it’s a shame he couldn’t use Shusui for the attack, Enma’s history certainly makes it the appropriate tool for the job.

If Zoro hadn’t missed, would he have been an actual dragon slayer?

I think we will get our answer soon.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I think that Zoro asks himself about CoC while getting nursed and I think we don't get the answers to his questions until he goes back to Kaido. I think he returns having fully figured the entire business regarding CoC and black blades (maybe they are connected? who knows) in a similar fashion to how Luffy came back from being knocked out with his newfound knowledge.

If Zoro makes Enma black in Wano, it's against Kaido.
If Zoro fights King, he will not make Enma black.
Enma will not become a black blade from an inconsequential fight like Zoro v King, otherwise black blades will have no credibility.

Also, another thing I'd like to bring up is Hiryu Kaen.
Oda knew exactly what he was doing when he made Hiryu Kaen miss.
He knew that if he made it miss, it would prompt the natural question of "What would have happened to Kaido had Zoro not missed?"

I don't think he drew that attack intending for us to never get the answer.
I think we get that answer in this arc and that it will be when Zoro returns to fight Kaido.

Also, another thing. Many people confuse the "proof" for ZKK as the parallels with Oden. But no, the reason why ZKK made sense was that Zoro is continuing what Oden started, not because he is simply repeating it.
Enma has everything set up for it to be used for slaying Kaido and to become the new "Shusui", it would make no sense for Enma's story to end after Wano.
I think Greg said it best in his special:

I think we will get our answer soon.

That we will I'm sure.

Sorry, I just don't agree or see those narrative cues the way some of you guys see it, but I respect yours.

A lot of that is owed to this last chapter. Before 1010 I actually didn't mind the idea of Zoro fighting with Luffy and potentially getting is full moment with Enma. The problem with this is the painted narrative on the last page.

Luffy is actively telling them to leave and let everyone know to have faith in him. Zoro is pretty much the person who respects Luffy the most and normally places his trust in him at times like these. This is why he's so willing to literally die for him (Kuma, now Kaido) so he could live. I don't see Zoro not heeding these words and respecting it. And I actually don't agree that he's actually knocked out and didn't hear, otherwise Oda wouldn't have made Luffy say Zoro's name in the first place, but rather just Law's. I just personally don't see Oda reshifting the narrative focus back to Zoro doing more to Kaido.


I just personally don't see the Enma connection on it having to turn black against Kaido, or even this arc. Tengu's dialogue is pretty nonchalant about him believing he can do it in the future. That future is not specified to be Wano, it's a generic statement. It's like Luffy getting constant hints about awakening from the villains he fights and Oda not addressing it at all, even so far this arc. Or having Luffy learn FS, but still end up worse than Kata so he's forced to use Snakeman to outspeed him. It can very well be a future thing.

But we'll see what happens. Hopefully next chapter, Zoro has dialogue or at least a thought bubble that at least makes his intentions clear the next 10-30 chapters so we aren't stuck here speculating that long

 

[ErionRoronoa]

Don't try to complicate things,
Zoro will either fight King or Kaido+ ZKK.

Both are a huge W for Zoro.