Powers & Abilities Does Kaido or Big Mom have Ryuo or what?

That's not the black matter I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about is the one which comes prior to an attack. Both Luffy and Big Mom were emanating the black matter before they attacked.

Also a point to note, Luffy could be using COA there without using hardening but that's not relevant to my point
Thats what he is not getting it lol
 

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That's not the black matter I'm talking about. The one I'm talking about is the one which comes prior to an attack. Both Luffy and Big Mom were emanating the black matter before they attacked.

Also a point to note, Luffy could be using COA there without using hardening but that's not relevant to my point
Aren't they both literally the same thing regardless of whether it is emanating before/during or after using the attack? I am not sure how using it prior to the attack makes it different.


This they might have barrier haki and are infusing it with conquerors ,but Luffy is using barrier+penetration+conquerors!
Finally, Someone who actually understands what's going on. You restored my faith in humanity dude.
 
They're using COC in conjunction with their COA which is why they're not touching even though they do not have ADCOA. If Luffy doesn't have a superior COA, then how do you explain the fact that he is able to match Kaido in the base when Kaido is far stronger in base on top of having equally higher or better COC than Luffy?
Because it's fucking OP and Oda never even once cared about logic in his fights/powerscaling.

When something has to happen, it just happens.

Don't overthink that kind of stuff, that never made sense in OP.

Of course the Yonkou have all types of advanced haki (CoO, CoA and CoC). Luffy has just learned those advanced forms now, too, and so he can match the top tier fighters. That easy.
 
Aren't they both literally the same thing regardless of whether it is emanating before/during or after using the attack? I am not sure how using it prior to the attack makes it different?
It makes it identical which is what my point emphasized. If it is identical then it means there's at least an implication that they are doing the same thing.

It is like how Zoro and Oden managed to do something identical (scar) to Kaido. That clearly implies that they basically applied the same tech in achieving that
 
ryou is the general name of haki in wano,the spiritual energy it's the raw form of haki
having raw haki makes you able to touch logia users
that raw haki can be used in tree colors: armament, observation, conqueror's
hardening is a separate technique of armament, it hardens your body or the objects you hold, greatly increasing both defense and offense
the concept of flow gives you the ability to use the unnecessary haki around your body to coat yourself or things with CoA or CoC or both
when you coat with CoA it creates the barrier
when you coat with CoC it does internal damage
when you coat with both at the same time it does like what luffy, kaido and big mom did
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CoA does not penetrate/do internal damage
We saw Luffy blowing up a tree internally without touching it with Advanced Coa,he also did that with hyogoro and yamato!The whole point of his Udon training was him trying to learn to flow his armament haki(barrier) and do internal destruction at will(all with armament haki)!Hyogoro probably didn't know that you can infuse COC into attacks because he himself doesn't have COC and Oden didn't know it either(he was shocked by WBxRoger clash)!
 
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Thats what he is not getting it lol
I mean it is understandable the confusion because Oda has made things ambiguous. One can use invisible COA and still use barrier/penetrating haki
One can use coating haki and still use barrier /penetrating haki
We don't even know how swordsmen use penetrating haki/use COC when they cut someone
 
The confusion will end once Oda reveals the internal damage Kaido takes from Luffy's attacks. It'll be a Lucci moment all over again.

I don't think that Big mom and Kaido are using internal destruction.
That's what i have been saying!At the best they are infusing flow armament haki with advanced conquerors!At worst case for the emperors it is basic hardening with advanced COC or just Advanced COC for Kaido(if he cant flow his armament into his club)!
 

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Of course the Yonkou have all types of advanced haki (CoO, CoA and CoC). Luffy has just learned those advanced forms now, too, and so he can match the top tier fighters. That easy.
I am not at all overthinking anything. I am open to the idea that BM and Kaido can have penetration Haki. I even admitted they most certainly have the barrier variation of COA. I am just trying to tell people that it hasn't been confirmed that they have internal destruction yet. Not all top-tiers are capable of using FS or COO of Fujitrao's caliber so it's possible there are areas they are lacking in.

I don't think that Big mom and Kaido are using internal destruction.
Finally some more light. Got tired of reading they all look the same so they all have the same COA arguments.
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It makes it identical which is what my point emphasized. If it is identical then it means there's at least an implication that they are doing the same thing.

It is like how Zoro and Oden managed to do something identical (scar) to Kaido. That clearly implies that they basically applied the same tech in achieving that
What I am asking is, how is making the black lightning appear prior to the attack make it different from the exact same thing emanating from Luffy's leg during the attack?


Is the black-lightening emanating from BM before she hit PO and the black-lightning from her when he hit PO different things?
 
I am not at all overthinking anything. I am open to the idea that BM and Kaido can have penetration Haki. I even admitted they most certainly have the barrier variation of COA. I am just trying to tell people that it hasn't been confirmed that they have internal destruction yet. Not all top-tiers are capable of using FS or COO of Fujitrao's caliber so it's possible there are areas they are lacking in.



Finally some more light. Got tired of reading they all look the same so they all have the same COA arguments.
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What I am asking is, how is making the black lightning appear prior to the attack make it different from the exact same thing emanating from Luffy's leg during the attack?


Is the black-lightening emanating from BM before she hit PO and the black-lightning from her when he hit PO different things?
In the anime,all conquerors haki(luffy's) clash had a red shading to them and wavy pattern!Armament haki was usually black and lightning pattern when clashing with each other!This Conquerors haki infusion is like Ichigos bankai(bleach)!Conqueros haki clash has that wavy pattern and it destroys inert objects as well so it had a combat aplication from the beginning!Marines tried to kill Luffy when he displayed COC!
 
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In the anime,all conquerors haki clash had a red shading to them and wavy pattern!Armament haki was usually black and lightning pattern when clashing with each other!This Conquerors haki infusion is like Ichigos bankai(bleach)!
Yeah, I don't follow anime regularly but I know how these shading's work in the manga. The black lightning emanating from their weapons and fists in the recent chapters is COC and it was the same for Roger and WB when they clashed in the flashback. I think there is no confusion among us around this topic.

The problem kicks in when these guys try to say BM and Kaido have the same kind of COA as Luffy does because they all look the same while there is no way to distinguish the difference b/w the most basic COA/Barrier COA or the internal destruction COA from these panels.
 
Internal destruction is a property from advanced armament haki!People here saying Emperors have this need to show a panel of them blowing shit up without touching it(like Rayleigh and Luffy)!In a combat scenario,the internal damage won't be visible so that's why Luffy,Kaido and BM attacks look the same but are not the same!Luffy is making his haki flow inside Kaido,Like Law's Gamma Knife!Emperos at best have flow/barrier haki and advanced conquerors!And about hardening and shading!Zoro cut monet with a flying slash(no hardening shading),Luffy and Rayleigh destroyed shackles withou shading!The entire Marineford war everyone was using haki and it was not visible!Oda only draws armament shading when he needs to make it clear it is COA!
 
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