Powers & Abilities Does Kaido or Big Mom have Ryuo or what?

#81
I already explained my case, my guy. She used COC which is evident from the black lightning emanating from her arm. She used COC in conjunction with COA which is why she is not touching PO. If there is someone who needs to prove his case then it should be you. You've yet to explain the reason why the COA on her arm is barrier Haki and not the most basic version of COA.
Yes she used adv coa + coc, internal destrcution haki same as luffy
 

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#85
I will show you how wrong you are........bit busy right now.......you are wrong lol......with images in 2 hours
If you're gonna post the Ragnarock or Thunder Bagua panels then don't even bother. I've already answered those in this very thread.


COC attacks don't touch too in case you're not aware of it.
As for this, here is the proof

 
#89
They're using Basic Ryou + CoC. Luffy is using Internal Destruction Ryou + CoC.

Yeah no, he has barrier Haki which is advcoa. Its not Destruction haki but its advanced Coa.
Yeah. He's using Haki blasts + CoC, but it's not the internal destruction CoA.

You've yet to explain the reason why the COA on her arm is barrier Haki and not the most basic version of COA.
Because we've already seen basic CoA + CoC



The key word is "clad in". That's what Hyogoro was using and said during flashback. And that's what Luffy want to learn.





The "not touching" obviously needs "barrier".
 
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Finalbeta

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#90
Wasn't it almost ascertained that Kaido has none due his reaction against the Scabbards and the powers he displayed during the match since at least no flowing or penetration was gazed at either he performed or not?
 
#91
So you are choosing to believe Luffy doesnt kniw his own powers and we can no longer trust anything he says
it is what it is, both luffy and hyogoro didn't know how internal damage works, they just know that luffy has the ability to do it
luffy in last chapter literally said: i figured it out
luffy now can use that ability casually without need for focus like he did when he broke yamato's handcuffs
zoro didn't know that he could do the concept of flow, so he only specified it to one stance "iai" where he uses shishi sonson and rashomon and he calls it the ability to cut steel
 

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#92
Because we've already seen basic CoA + CoC

This is COA and COC being used together, as in both of them being used at the same time while what Luffy and Kaido are doing rn is combining COA and COC into one attack. Both are completely different things. Luffy literally only discovered COC can be infused in attacks after getting hit by Ragnarock. However, He's been using COC together with COA since Dressrossa.

The "not touching" obviously needs "barrier".
Not really

 
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#94
They're using COC in conjunction with their COA which is why they're not touching even though they do not have ADCOA. If Luffy doesn't have a superior COA, then how do you explain the fact that he is able to match Kaido in the base when Kaido is far stronger in base on top of having equally higher or better COC than Luffy?
Well, technically if they both are using advanced CoA and CoC their physical strength might not matter no more and rather the power of said haki...

But I dont believe this is the case because itd render everything that we have seen about Gears useless.
 
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#95
kaido's armament is on katakuri's block mochi level, which is not that strong
What do you mean by hardening katakuri? do you really know what you are talking about?
After the WCI arc, after Luffy defeated the katakuri, his hardness (COA) was probably equal to or greater than that of the katakuri, and if you say no, Luffy trained COA in UDON, until he reached "level 3", completely higher than its COA in WCI, there are no comparisons, luffy hardening> Katakuri, this is indisputable after UDON.

KAIDO with a casual blow left Luffy more rigid than the katakuri with his MOCHI blocks, Luffy when receiving the blow from KAIDO already had the COA superior to his version in WCI and the COA superior to KATAKURI, screaming and feeling pain.
Coating level:

KAIDO> Luffy> Katakuri, how can you put KAIDO's casual blow that made Luffy scream and cry, Luffy with a stronger COA than KATAKURI's COA, on the same level as MOCHI's blows? Do you really know what you're talking about?

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There is no difference whatsoever from what BM did to what Luffy did, people are trying to complicate the easy, and trying to use the justification that ADCOC does not touch the user to confuse it with ACOA, and to say that BM, does not have ACOA.
 
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#97
What do you mean by hardening katakuri? do you really know what you are talking about?
After the WCI arc, after Luffy defeated the katakuri, his hardness (COA) was probably equal to or greater than that of the katakuri, and if you say no, Luffy trained COA in UDON, until he reached "level 3", completely higher than its COA in WCI, there are no comparisons, luffy hardening> Katakuri, this is indisputable after UDON.

KAIDO with a casual blow left Luffy more rigid than the katakuri with his MOCHI blocks, Luffy when receiving the blow from KAIDO already had the COA superior to his version in WCI and the COA superior to KATAKURI, screaming and feeling pain.
KAIDO> Luffy> Katakuri, how can you put KAIDO's casual blow that made Luffy scream and cry with a harderness than KATAKURI, on the same level as MOCHI's blows? Do you really know what you're talking about?
you didn't understand what i said
i was talking about kaido's basic armament aka hardening that is mnot that much stronger than katakuri's block mochi, because both had the same effect on luffy

here's when katakuri attacked luffy


and here's when kaido attacked luffy

it's the same thing in both cases luffy only guards with normal hardening
kaido's damage output without the flow is gear 4 level at best
big mom too, she punched kidd in the face (though without hardening) and did zero damage
yonko can't do serious damage without ACoC
the only advantage kaido and big mom has is a superior skill set, luffy developed the same skills and now he's fighting equally against kaido
 
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Gol D. Roger

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And it looked all the same when there was no COA whatsoever with the only exception being the black shading on their hands. There is literally no way to tell if they're using level-1 COA or Barrier COA or internal destruction in these panels.


Last time I checked, not all black-shading is ADCOA. lmao, I was expecting something better but you're literally trying to sell the idea that all black coating is internal destruction because they all look the same. Once again, It is more than likely BM and Kaido have the barrier armament but not the internal destruction until proven otherwise.

Zoro didn't imply such
He did

Big mom has internal destruction , same for Kaido also
They don't or at least it was never said or implied they have it.
 
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