News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread
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Keep your headcanons in check :
The only fact confirmed is Killer missing his punishers
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Zoro missing shusui + 2 vs 1 + he felt tired and hungry + protecting Hyori and toko + A fatal injury .
before the fight and asked Hyori for some foods and it has to be noted that he usually asks for saki not foods like luffy lmao .
The fight ended with one thing :
Zoro is physically stronger than Killer .
Zoro is far skillfull than Killer when he used his weapon far better than him .
Zoro is faster than Killer even in a heavily injured state .
Zoro has better CoA than Killer .
So we get a clear answer who is stronger in that fight isn't it ?
The only fact confirmed is Killer missing his punishers
VS
Zoro missing shusui + 2 vs 1 + he felt tired and hungry + protecting Hyori and toko + A fatal injury .
before the fight and asked Hyori for some foods and it has to be noted that he usually asks for saki not foods like luffy lmao .
The fight ended with one thing :
Zoro is physically stronger than Killer .
Zoro is far skillfull than Killer when he used his weapon far better than him .
Zoro is faster than Killer even in a heavily injured state .
Zoro has better CoA than Killer .
So we get a clear answer who is stronger in that fight isn't it ?
@Admiral Mou Bu here, fenaker was scared to quote you.
No counter-argument I'll take it.
My original point was the same, zoro never took a head-on thunder bauga like luffy(By head I mean the club itself making contact)
it seems your friend and you who are scared when i quote both of u and you don't answer back especially your friend when i quoted u / him yesterday
No fenaker im tired of low-diffing you,
your younger brother way better debater then you
My original point was the same, zoro never took a head-on thunder bauga like luffy(By head I mean the club itself making contact)
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it seems your friend and you who are scared when i quote both of u and you don't answer back especially your friend when i quoted u / him yesterday
No fenaker im tired of low-diffing you,your younger brother way better debater then you
''Beta'' strikes again... I will give you an Alpha now.
Why you keep quoting me with your retarded shit?
- Who said VCs are not canon and why are you asking this retarded question? It's manga > vivre cards if there is any contradiction, if manga says Enma has Oden's Haki, Vivre Cards can't make it disappear that lmao, put this fact into your brain.
- VCs doesn't say anything about Oden's Haki is not being in Enma in that translation, so Lolo fans like yourself were lying as usual.
Why you keep quoting me with your retarded shit?
- Who said VCs are not canon and why are you asking this retarded question? It's manga > vivre cards if there is any contradiction, if manga says Enma has Oden's Haki, Vivre Cards can't make it disappear that lmao, put this fact into your brain.
- VCs doesn't say anything about Oden's Haki is not being in Enma in that translation, so Lolo fans like yourself were lying as usual.
You don't get it. When you look at the facts it's easy to see why Zoro was and still is levels above Killer.
There's never been any evidence support that Killer was mentally or physically weaken or broken during the battle. The bandage on his hands and head was just there to hide his true identity.
Zoro is physically much stronger than Killer. He stopped Killer from pulling the scythe out of his body by just flexing his muscles.
Zoro is much faster than Killer. Killer was only able to hit Zoro because he was distracted by a character he was ignoring and who Zoro didn't consider a threat.
Zoro blitzed Killer. Zoro didn't need to block or break through Killer's weapon to hit him. Zoro still had faster attacks. His lion song and dragon blaze attacks are two of his fastest attacks.
Zoro is a more skilled fighter and blade/edge weapon user. Zoro quickly adapted the scythe to his fighting style. Zoro performed a name attack with it and use it to defeat Killer. Killer had more experience with it and time to train with it but was never able to do the same.
The only thing that was close was their close quarters combat skills and the second Zoro used a name attack he defeated killer.
That was the most important thing about the battle. Zoro never used any name attacks/technique until the very end. As I explained when he did we saw how quickly Zoro ended the battle. If Killer, with his punisher blades, faced 2 sword Zoro again Zoro would still have all of his 2 and 1 sword style techniques at his disposal to use against Killer. He would defeat Killer was same. Zoro vs Ryuma is a excellent fight that showed how strong Zoro with 2 sword style can be.
It wasn't a double KO. Zoro defeated Killer and than moved on to fight the fox who forfeited the battle.
What's funny is Luffy passed out immediately after he hit and knocked out Doffy. Yet, nobody considers that a double KO.
There's never been any evidence support that Killer was mentally or physically weaken or broken during the battle. The bandage on his hands and head was just there to hide his true identity.
Zoro is physically much stronger than Killer. He stopped Killer from pulling the scythe out of his body by just flexing his muscles.
Zoro is much faster than Killer. Killer was only able to hit Zoro because he was distracted by a character he was ignoring and who Zoro didn't consider a threat.
Zoro blitzed Killer. Zoro didn't need to block or break through Killer's weapon to hit him. Zoro still had faster attacks. His lion song and dragon blaze attacks are two of his fastest attacks.
Zoro is a more skilled fighter and blade/edge weapon user. Zoro quickly adapted the scythe to his fighting style. Zoro performed a name attack with it and use it to defeat Killer. Killer had more experience with it and time to train with it but was never able to do the same.
The only thing that was close was their close quarters combat skills and the second Zoro used a name attack he defeated killer.
That was the most important thing about the battle. Zoro never used any name attacks/technique until the very end. As I explained when he did we saw how quickly Zoro ended the battle. If Killer, with his punisher blades, faced 2 sword Zoro again Zoro would still have all of his 2 and 1 sword style techniques at his disposal to use against Killer. He would defeat Killer was same. Zoro vs Ryuma is a excellent fight that showed how strong Zoro with 2 sword style can be.
It wasn't a double KO. Zoro defeated Killer and than moved on to fight the fox who forfeited the battle.
What's funny is Luffy passed out immediately after he hit and knocked out Doffy. Yet, nobody considers that a double KO.
Preudon Gear 4th luffy knocked him down and he got hyped so much for that
Zoro after scarring Kaido :
Kaido panted and sweated and was mad while he said damn you little bastard .
luffy punched Kaido :
Kaido stood up without any sweat or damage and he said
Wrororororororororo
Let's check what Author said ; he got captured by the WG but they couldn't kill him nor scare him but Zoro did and this is the WG with all the admirals around there
Preudon Gear 4th luffy knocked him down and he got hyped so much for that
Zoro after scarring Kaido :
Kaido panted and sweated and was mad while he said damn you little bastard .
luffy punched Kaido :
Kaido stood up without any sweat or damage and he said
Wrororororororororo
Kaido panted and sweated and was mad while he said damn you little bastard .
luffy punched Kaido :
Kaido stood up without any sweat or damage and he said
Wrororororororororo
Manga facts your headcannonZoro: Dang, I couldn't even knock you down with my best abilty now my fans gonna cry
Luffy:
Silly me, will zoro even surpass red rock?
Killer wears his mask to cover his smile - the bandages clearly just covered the rest of his face but not his smile. So what's the porpuse? And its not like anyone knows how Killer looks behind his mask to say that Orochi wants to cover his face for other people not recognize who he really is... Also there are countless other ways to cover areas of the body up - ask yourself why Oda decided to use bandages in specific.
Look at his arms...
But how can you break a man's will to get him to be your loyal underling in the first place? Literally what Queen was trying to do with Kidd and Luffy as well!
Kidd was for a long time in Kaido's personal cell. It's highly implied that Killer went through what Kidd had to went through, torture, in order to break his will and then work as a loyal warrior for Orochi. Kidd and Luffy are just build different mentally - probably the reason why they have CoC too.
This was only in relation to eating the SMILE.
Kidd cares as much about Killer as Killer about Kidd - blackmailing Kidd with Killer would be the smarter option as Kidd > Killer. But they obviously could not as they must break the will before, else it does not work. Killer would never be a loyal underling of Orochi without the physical and mental torture beforehand to break his spirit. And that was more than clearly implied all along.
Dude, just look at this and tell me his spirit is not broken. Man its as clear as it can get!
He's literally crying in despair and you wanna tell me he isnt mentally broken?
Non sense. How was Zoro any mentally nerfed by that? If anything he was motivated the most to help Toki/Hiyori and get back as quickly as possible to Shusui in order to help his captain.
And anyways, its not about what you "can say" and what not. Man, a debate has always to be about trying to find out the truth, and not desperately trying to defend your own agenda. The thing I absolutely hate about most Anime debater, especially power scaler, and in specific Zoro fanboys. Its just a useless waste of time cause I am basically talking to a wall of ignorance and denying. Thats also why I will stop here. I made my points clear all along and everyone who reads the Manga without bias can see that I'm spittin the truth.
Look at his arms...
But how can you break a man's will to get him to be your loyal underling in the first place? Literally what Queen was trying to do with Kidd and Luffy as well!
Kidd was for a long time in Kaido's personal cell. It's highly implied that Killer went through what Kidd had to went through, torture, in order to break his will and then work as a loyal warrior for Orochi. Kidd and Luffy are just build different mentally - probably the reason why they have CoC too.
This was only in relation to eating the SMILE.
Kidd cares as much about Killer as Killer about Kidd - blackmailing Kidd with Killer would be the smarter option as Kidd > Killer. But they obviously could not as they must break the will before, else it does not work. Killer would never be a loyal underling of Orochi without the physical and mental torture beforehand to break his spirit. And that was more than clearly implied all along.
Dude, just look at this and tell me his spirit is not broken. Man its as clear as it can get!
He's literally crying in despair and you wanna tell me he isnt mentally broken?
Non sense. How was Zoro any mentally nerfed by that? If anything he was motivated the most to help Toki/Hiyori and get back as quickly as possible to Shusui in order to help his captain.
And anyways, its not about what you "can say" and what not. Man, a debate has always to be about trying to find out the truth, and not desperately trying to defend your own agenda. The thing I absolutely hate about most Anime debater, especially power scaler, and in specific Zoro fanboys. Its just a useless waste of time cause I am basically talking to a wall of ignorance and denying. Thats also why I will stop here. I made my points clear all along and everyone who reads the Manga without bias can see that I'm spittin the truth.
Kaido after standing up : worororororororo pepecamera Zoro after he scarred him : damn you little
WG after they captured Kaido :
They couldn't scare nor kill him
Zoro vs Kaido :
He got a scar .
Nah he is far better than Ladmirals who couldn't kill him or scare him when he was captured by the Navy
WG after they captured Kaido :
They couldn't scare nor kill him
Zoro vs Kaido :
He got a scar .
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zoro even Red rock level 
Maybe zoro might give Pre-Wano luffy a mid-dff
Maybe zoro might give Pre-Wano luffy a mid-dff
Yea true ture. Also since the Manga stuff are often just the perceipton of certain characters, direct statements by the author in Databooks are more worthy.
What I mean with Manga > Databook is for example Shanks beeing a Yonko 6 years ago instead of the initially wrongly stated 12 years in Databook VC (or so) which then also got corrected, but it still shows that Manga is superior in these regards.
All in all you're right tho. I guess it depends on the situation whether Manga or Databook is more worthy.
What I mean with Manga > Databook is for example Shanks beeing a Yonko 6 years ago instead of the initially wrongly stated 12 years in Databook VC (or so) which then also got corrected, but it still shows that Manga is superior in these regards.
All in all you're right tho. I guess it depends on the situation whether Manga or Databook is more worthy.
Manga facts your headcannonZoro: Dang, I couldn't even knock you down with my best abilty now my fans gonna cry
Luffy:
Silly me, will zoro even surpass red rock?
WG captured Kaido they can't kill Kaido or scare him
Zoro could :
Silly me, will Ladmirals even surpass red rock or basic luffy punches ?
