News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

@Fenaker
Manga>headcannon
Zoro intentions: Dang, I hope atleast my ultimate technique that my master Lihawk showed me will knock you down
Pre-Rooftop Luffy: Loro you loser like always, watch your dad do it like always.:milaugh::milaugh:

WG captured Kaido they can't kill / scare him with the Ladmirals around :risicheck:


Zoro could ::risicheck::risicheck:



Silly me, will Ladmirals even surpass red rock or basic luffy punches ?:josad:
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How was Killer's nerf even fucking comparable to a 2v1 situation where Killer got a free hit on the motherfucking chest with a big ass fucking scyche while Zoro was also having to defend Komurasaki and a fucking kid from him. Oh hehe he was mentally devastated.
Yea right. Poor Zoro was much more nerfed and still neg diffed Killer. It would be even easier if both were in full power. :kata:
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
@Finalbeta @Fenaker and how else all of you are called: you are totally right, we were wrong all along. Zoro neg diffs Killer and high diffs Kaido.
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I don't necessarily see Zoro as powerful as Kaido, conversely.

But reading of Red Roc > Asura by the guy who keeps downplaying the Grandmaster practically every single time the occasion presents itself my blood boils.
 
@GreenEggsAHam Just stop it here man. Zorotards are not worth the time. I told myself often enough to not fall into discussions with those biased fanboys and yet I found myself falling into another debate in a Databok Vivre Card Thread and wasting lots of my time.

(S)pain :pepemy:
You want to debate me admiral tard :pepecorn:
Give us the proof of being tortured admiral tard or nerfed by the DF :pepecafe:
@Aknolagon @nik87 @Zowo they have the audacity to claim some shit without proofs :vistalaugh::vistalaugh:
As for the argument that Kamazou had been tortured, this has very little to back it up. We see some of the bandages covering his face removed in Udon, and the skin underneath is relatively unmarked:


Killer's torture is presumed to have been by Orochi, but it was revealed in the latest chapter that Killer took the SMILE voluntarily to gain the chance to save his captain:

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@Finalbeta @Fenaker and how else all of you are called: you are totally right, we were wrong all along. Zoro neg diffs Killer and high diffs Kaido.
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Until you debunk what i posted then talk to me admiral tard :pepecorn:
 
I don't necessarily see Zoro as powerful as Kaido, conversely.

But reading of Red Roc > Asura by the guy who keeps downplaying the Grandmaster practically every single time the occasion presents itself my blood boils.
Dont be so shy. Zoro beats Kaido, not even extreme diff.

You want to debate me admiral tard :pepecorn:
Give us the proof of being tortured admiral tard or nerfed by the DF :pepecafe:

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Until you debunk what i posted then talk to me admiral tard :pepecorn:
All just non sense headcanon. I have no proofs. :akaman:
 
Killer wears his mask to cover his smile - the bandages clearly just covered the rest of his face but not his smile. So what's the porpuse? And its not like anyone knows how Killer looks behind his mask to say that Orochi wants to cover his face for other people not recognize who he really is... Also there are countless other ways to cover areas of the body up - ask yourself why Oda decided to use bandages in specific.
Killer either has to hide his face, hide his smile, or hide his whole face. Those three are the options for Killer to hide his true identity. So your question about

"the bandages clearly just covered the rest of his face but not his smile. So what's the porpuse?"

can be answered that the purpose is to hide his identity. People won't know it's Killer even if Killer only covered his face, and not his smile. Likewise, People won't know it's killer even if killer only covered his mouth, and not his face.

And it's not necessarily Ororchi that told Killer to use bandages, could be Killer himself that wanted to cover his face.

"Also there are countless other ways to cover areas of the body up - ask yourself why Oda decided to use bandages in specific."

So Sengoku was injured after fighting Blackbeard? seems odd because i saw you once arguing that those bandages meant nothing

:jay-he:

Yes, Only his arms+face that are covered, not his whole body

But how can you break a man's will to get him to be your loyal underling in the first place? Literally what Queen was trying to do with Kidd and Luffy as well!

It's if they fight back, if suppose there are some who want to be a part of BP crew, do you think they would still torture that said group?

Also, Killer is shown to be a smart person, why would he fight BP if he knows it won't bring Kidd back to him? The most logical answer is that Killer agreed upon Orochi's deal without any fight.

Kidd was for a long time in Kaido's personal cell.
For how long?

It's highly implied that Killer went through what Kidd had to went through, torture, in order to break his will and then work as a loyal warrior for Orochi. Kidd and Luffy are just build different mentally - probably the reason why they have CoC too.
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This was only in relation to eating the SMILE.

Kidd cares as much about Killer as Killer about Kidd - blackmailing Kidd with Killer would be the smarter option as Kidd > Killer. But they obviously could not as they must break the will before, else it does not work. Killer would never be a loyal underling of Orochi without the physical and mental torture beforehand to break his spirit. And that was more than clearly implied all along.
Already addressed, read above

Dude, just look at this and tell me his spirit is not broken. Man its as clear as it can get!



He's literally crying in despair and you wanna tell me he isnt mentally broken?
crying in despair? lmao fanfiction.com again, the most probable explanation is that he's crying because he met Kidd back considering the fact that Killer is a strong willed person.

Non sense. How was Zoro any mentally nerfed by that? If anything he was motivated the most to help Toki/Hiyori and get back as quickly as possible to Shusui in order to help his captain.
Non sense. How was Killer any mentally nerfed by that? If anything he was motivated the most to kill Toki/Hiyori and get back as quicklu as possibly in order to help his captain

And anyways, its not about what you "can say" and what not. Man, a debate has always to be about trying to find out the truth, and not desperately trying to defend your own agenda. The thing I absolutely hate about most Anime debater, especially power scaler, and in specific Zoro fanboys. Its just a useless waste of time cause I am basically talking to a wall of ignorance and denying. Thats also why I will stop here. I made my points clear all along and everyone who reads the Manga without bias can see that I'm spittin the truth.
Lmao, again runnning away again from me? you just crying because your points dont make sense at all

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Your claims of Oda trying to show us that Zoro is stronger than Killer are pure headcanon - Zoro was never shown nor teased to be any stronger than Killer is. They got portrayed as equal rivals. Only when Zoro learns how to control and intentionally use CoC, he will gain the edge.
Lmao, i found more bullshit from this guy

"They got portrayed as equal rivals"

Lmao, Kidd and Luffy had more panels convinving enough to tell they might be equal rivals, but look how it's going now, Luffy is way above Kidd, just like zoro is way above Killer

what a joke
 
Killer either has to hide his face, hide his smile, or hide his whole face. Those three are the options for Killer to hide his true identity. So your question about

"the bandages clearly just covered the rest of his face but not his smile. So what's the porpuse?"

can be answered that the purpose is to hide his identity. People won't know it's Killer even if Killer only covered his face, and not his smile. Likewise, People won't know it's killer even if killer only covered his mouth, and not his face.

And it's not necessarily Ororchi that told Killer to use bandages, could be Killer himself that wanted to cover his face.

"Also there are countless other ways to cover areas of the body up - ask yourself why Oda decided to use bandages in specific."

So Sengoku was injured after fighting Blackbeard? seems odd because i saw you once arguing that those bandages meant nothing

:jay-he:



Yes, Only his arms+face that are covered, not his whole body



It's if they fight back, if suppose there are some who want to be a part of BP crew, do you think they would still torture that said group?

Also, Killer is shown to be a smart person, why would he fight BP if he knows it won't bring Kidd back to him? The most logical answer is that Killer agreed upon Orochi's deal without any fight.



For how long?



Read above





Already addressed, read above



crying in despair? lmao fanfiction.com again, the most probable explanation is that he's crying because he met Kidd back considering the fact that Killer is a strong willed person.



Non sense. How was Killer any mentally nerfed by that? If anything he was motivated the most to kill Toki/Hiyori and get back as quicklu as possibly in order to help his captain



Lmao, again runnning away again from me? you just crying because your points dont make sense at all

:denzimote:
The proof of no torture already adressed but he said i ain't answering :pepecafe::pepecorn:
@Aknolagon @nik87 @Zowo they have the audacity to claim some shit without proofs :vistalaugh::vistalaugh:
As for the argument that Kamazou had been tortured, this has very little to back it up. We see some of the bandages covering his face removed in Udon, and the skin underneath is relatively unmarked:


Killer's torture is presumed to have been by Orochi, but it was revealed in the latest chapter that Killer took the SMILE voluntarily to gain the chance to save his captain:

 
The proof of no torture already adressed but he said i ain't answering :pepecafe::pepecorn:
@Admiral Mou Bu this guys is just a marinetard and a zoro hater, he won't admit his mistakes and that what makes him a retard, i just keep debunking this guy's bullshits
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Yes the potrayal on the roof clearlyyyyyyy shows that Killer and Zoro are equal. Wow that scar that KIller gave Kaidou is big as fuck.
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Yes the potrayal on the roof clearlyyyyyyy shows that Killer and Zoro are equal. Wow that scar that KIller gave Kaidou is big as fuck.
Zoro blocked Hakai and tanked it

• Law : sweated and wondered how Zoro survived and was cutting prometheus
• LUFFY : OH NO AN ATTACK IS COMING
• KID : it's a real feat Zoro thank u
• Killer : we can't evade .
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• Kaido vs Luffy who punched him :
Kaido stood up and said wororororororo
VS
• Kaido vs Zoro who scarred him :
Kaido sweated / panted and was mad to the point he started cursing : damn you little bastard what did you do ? :risicheck:
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Lmao, again runnning away again from me? you just crying because your points dont make sense at all
You got me :kata:
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Wow that scar that KIller gave Kaidou is big as fuck.
I added that with CoC Zoro >. Before he cant control and intentionally make use of it, it is not really part of his strength.
 
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