Capitalism vs Communism

[Jew D. Boy]

Wtf, capitalism is literally the only thing that would allow you to escape such a situation, never in history could a poor person work their way to a better life for themselves except in capitalism.

Communism would work you to your bone and still have you remain at your same situation 10 generations from now.

Do you live in a capitalist country? The promise never matches the reality, I can assure you that. Your description of communism literally describes the way capitalism is applied in America, I don’t know what point you were trying to make with that.

Post automatically merged: May 6, 2021

If I had to choose only between Strict Capitalism and Strict Communism, I would choose Strict Capitalism because in Strict Capitalism, I can dream of achieved a Glorious Live even if it's far... Hardly reachable, while Strict Communism would mean that no matters what I do, I will hardly be able to better my condition unless I go full rebel.

But I talked about Extrems. Like choosing between 50°C water and 10°C water.

The good temperature is somewhere between these two temperature.

What I want for people is Food, Housing, Water, Health and Education.

The rest is up to debate.

The deck is stacked against you in a capitalist society in ways you can’t even see, man...if you want those things you said, then realistically, capitalism will only gain you the bare minimum - if that - in every single field.

Post automatically merged: May 6, 2021

When it comes to the overwhelming majority of people, capitalism does NOT do anything constructive or useful past literally the minimum acceptable outcome. A steady paycheck is fine, sure, but when that paycheck doesn’t cover all your monthly expenses, you’re working yourself ragged to not even make ends meet, how does that sound like an ideal situation? For every one-in-a-million success story, there are 999,999 people who get fucked as hard as possible.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

I think you want to compare capitalism vs socialism. Communism is an outdated concept which has no place in this modern world. Communism creates an equal society through an authoritarian state, while socialism promotes democracy and liberty but tries to distribute wealth evenly among citizens through high taxes for rich, free education and healthcare etc. For example, Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Norway are more like socialist countries, but Russia is a typical communist country.

Both capitalist and socialist countries have their pros and cons. It depends on country to country, person to person. Its all about money in a capitalist country. The discrimination is really high between the rich and the poor. Some people get the best education, best healthcare while some dont even have the basic needs. USA is the prime example of this. Its absolute madness. Meanwhile, socialist countries promote forced equality. No matter how good your performance is, no matter how meritorious you are, you will be treated equally to a lazy bum. Thats why there is no motivation among people to do their best. If you are a top talent, you probably dont want to live in such a country which charges you a very high tax and give it to a lazy drunk who lives off of his social security money. If you are not a top talent or havent been born in a wealthy family, you probably dont want to be in a capitalistic country. Life will be very tough for you and your children.

 

[Gargo]

Do you live in a capitalist country? The promise never matches the reality, I can assure you that. Your description of communism literally describes the way capitalism is applied in America, I don’t know what point you were trying to make with that.

Post automatically merged: May 6, 2021

The deck is stacked against you in a capitalist society in ways you can’t even see, man...if you want those things you said, then realistically, capitalism will only gain you the bare minimum - if that - in every single field.

Post automatically merged: May 6, 2021

When it comes to the overwhelming majority of people, capitalism does NOT do anything constructive or useful past literally the minimum acceptable outcome. A steady paycheck is fine, sure, but when that paycheck doesn’t cover all your monthly expenses, you’re working yourself ragged to not even make ends meet, how does that sound like an ideal situation? For every one-in-a-million success story, there are 999,999 people who get fucked as hard as possible.

Why not a Capitalism where Society is making sure you get food, water, health, education and a place to live, not so far from what some European Nation are trying to do.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Why not a Capitalism where Society is making sure you get food, water, health, education and a place to live, not so far from what some European Nation are trying to do.

Find me a developed nation anywhere on Earth where this happens, and I’ll concede. The problem is that capitalism doesn’t guarantee any of these things, it provides you with the (slim and diminishing) opportunity to acquire these things for yourself, and even then, it doesn’t have the desired effect after taxes, total personal expenses, and the disgustingly unchecked greed of whoever signs your paycheck and determines what you and your output are worth based on their own whims.

 

[Gargo]

> free Food

> free Water : you can get free water in lots of place in France

> free Education : even if it's absolute shit. Here in France we have free Education until 18 years old

> free Housing : in some place in Canada, there is free housing for Homeless People

> free Medecine : almost the case in France and in Canada

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Those of y’all defending capitalism seem to think that you can realistically pull yourself up by the bootstraps and earn the kind of money you think you deserve, but it simply doesn’t work that way. There’s no such thing as an ethical billionaire; you get to that level of wealth by skimming off the top of your revenue, holding onto as much of the profits as possible, paying your employees less than they’re worth while setting higher prices for your products, and cutting as many other operational corners as possible.

Jeff Bezos could never take another cent out of the Amazon coffers again, and he could reinvest any profits from here on out in his employees, and he would STILL be the richest man on the planet by several degrees every day until he dies or is cryogenically frozen so he can wield his financial might in an even more dystopian future than our present. If morality influenced capitalism, he’d have already made this decision on his own.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Ikr, I'm honestly disgusted.

Post automatically merged: May 6, 2021

In a free market huge companies that dwarf everyone else in a market wouldn't exist, facebook, google, amazon and apple would all have several competitors. Monopolies only occur when the government interfers in the market to give an edge to one side through government policies that help them.

Disgusted of what?
Of not thinking a system built on slavery, genocide, exploitation and greed is good?

Capitalism turned people into numbers, a variable you can remove and replace the following day. There is no humanity anymore just human resource. You give your tax money and it is syphoned by big corporations, banks, politicians and the army. Meanwhile your healthcare, education, social aid and other stuff people need for a decent living aren't getting anything. If you get sick good fucking luck buddy, you gonna lose your job and be replaced by another who is healthy. Wanna go to college? Tough luck kid, you parents aint got no money.

You praise Capitalism while knowing jack shit of communism, your view of communism is probably what McCarthy trials showed. Have you ever heard of Yugoslavia? Or China? 2 communist countries that reached absolute peak. China has more political power and economical power than Capitalist USA.

My parents grew up in communist Yugoslavia and they had free healthcare, free schooling, automatic job once school finished, stable country and army/diplomacy strong enough to repel aggressive Capitalist and Communist sides.

So yeah, it sure is disgusting to dislike a system that reduced people to absolute numbers

 

[Yubel]

Those of y’all defending capitalism seem to think that you can realistically pull yourself up by the bootstraps and earn the kind of money you think you deserve, but it simply doesn’t work that way. There’s no such thing as an ethical billionaire; you get to that level of wealth by skimming off the top of your revenue, holding onto as much of the profits as possible, paying your employees less than they’re worth while setting higher prices for your products, and cutting as many other operational corners as possible.

Jeff Bezos could never take another cent out of the Amazon coffers again, and he could reinvest any profits from here on out in his employees, and he would STILL be the richest man on the planet by several degrees every day until he dies or is cryogenically frozen so he can wield his financial might in an even more dystopian future than our present. If morality influenced capitalism, he’d have already made this decision on his own.

The problem is you're thinking you have to be a billionaire which is the top 0.1%, you can much more realistically create a stable 6 figure income per year for yourself by working hard and creating value for society without doing anything underhanded or corrupt. The billonaires of today I agree most of them shouldn't exist and wouldn't exist if not for help from government lobbyist they make deals with to eliminate competition.

Post automatically merged: May 7, 2021

Disgusted of what?
Of not thinking a system built on slavery, genocide, exploitation and greed is good?

Capitalism turned people into numbers, a variable you can remove and replace the following day. There is no humanity anymore just human resource. You give your tax money and it is syphoned by big corporations, banks, politicians and the army. Meanwhile your healthcare, education, social aid and other stuff people need for a decent living aren't getting anything. If you get sick good fucking luck buddy, you gonna lose your job and be replaced by another who is healthy. Wanna go to college? Tough luck kid, you parents aint got no money.

You praise Capitalism while knowing jack shit of communism, your view of communism is probably what McCarthy trials showed. Have you ever heard of Yugoslavia? Or China? 2 communist countries that reached absolute peak. China has more political power and economical power than Capitalist USA.

My parents grew up in communist Yugoslavia and they had free healthcare, free schooling, automatic job once school finished, stable country and army/diplomacy strong enough to repel aggressive Capitalist and Communist sides.

So yeah, it sure is disgusting to dislike a system that reduced people to absolute numbers

Ok, if it's so good over there why don't you go live there?

 

[IceWitch]

Not once, in the history of mankind has there ever been a happy and successful communist country. Just saying. Learn from history and don't repeat the same mistakes. Not that capitalism doesn't have it's faults too.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Not once, in the history of mankind has there ever been a happy and successful communist country. Just saying. Learn from history and don't repeat the same mistakes. Not that capitalism doesn't have it's faults too.

Yugoslavia and China say hello

Post automatically merged: May 7, 2021

Ok, if it's so good over there why don't you go live there?

I do live in renmants of Yugoslavia hence why i know from so many people just how good Yugoslavia was

 

[bennbeckman]

Communism is under the guise of everyone is "equal" there is no motivation to work any harder or be more successful. Thus the system will always come trembling down

Of Course Capitalism is far superior

 

[Konstantis]

Both are garbage. But if I have to pick one then it's gotta be communism cuz I grew up in it.

Democrathy is biggest garbage

 

[Adam 🍎]

Communism is under the guise of everyone is "equal" there is no motivation to work any harder or be more successful. Thus the system will always come trembling down

Of Course Capitalism is far superior

Uhm no.
You advance in communism

I literally know people that did

 

[bennbeckman]

Uhm no.
You advance in communism

I literally know people that did

Probably had elements of capitalism in it. Similar to China

The Soviet Union is the prime example of how bad communism is.

Post automatically merged: May 7, 2021

To clarify my stance, yes capitalism is better, but when not regulated properly like in America, the rich take advantage of the system. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Communisms idea of equality is good and all but Soviet Fucked up Big Times


They was too busy spreading Communism and sponsoring local communism parties with arms and bombs in worldwide, more than anything else and they ended up neglecting their own citizens and the nuke incident at Ukraine made them balkanize

China's CCP is doing good and will be the next superpower and biggest economy in the world. But we'll see how long they can last before the mongolian and tibetan revolution

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I personally prefer a form of free market socialism.

 

[IceWitch]

Yugoslavia and China say hello

Probably not allowed to even say hello.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Probably not allowed to even say hello.

My family grew up Yugoslavia and they were chilling like crazy

 

[Yubel]

For all my communist fellows.

Try a little experiment. Form your small community or town or city or move to country where communism is. you can do that under capitalism but can't happen other way around expect for moving to other countries.

Share everything you have and live the communist life style you desire.. Are you willing? Probably not.

What you want is other peoples money, rather to share your own. Thats why you want to bring other people down rather to go yourself down. You think you'll get more because your so down and under but you foget there is always someone beneath you.

You'll still have to do your shity jobs but now pay will be capped and no option to move to something else. another bonus most likely you won't even be allowed to complain.

Post automatically merged: May 7, 2021

Don't fucking listen to these idiots my man.

Billionaire don't stockpile cash in thier bank accounts. They invest that creating new jobs and innovation. Jeff bezos alone has created a market of trillion dollars if not more. So what if he has some of it imo he earned it.

Of course business lobby and do shady things but thats more so faults of politicians rather than capitalism. There are plenty of examples where politicians extort business to pay. and thats even more so reason of not controlling the market. Simpler the laws, less middle man like politicians will interfere with it.
Rather to fix a broken bone these communist want to kill the man.

I'm not going to be polarizing for the sake of being polarizing. I agree capitalism beats communism anyday and that it's the best we've come up with so far and I have nothing against rich people but the ultra rich billionaires makes me disgusted and I know it's because they essentially cheated. Amazon controls almost the entire ecommerce market, that wouldn't be possible in a free market, I have no respect for these huge corporations that exploits poor people to work for them for a pittance just to improve their bottom line.

Communisms idea of equality is good and all but Soviet Fucked up Big Times


They was too busy spreading Communism and sponsoring local communism parties with arms and bombs in worldwide, more than anything else and they ended up neglecting their own citizens and the nuke incident at Ukraine made them balkanize

China's CCP is doing good and will be the next superpower and biggest economy in the world. But we'll see how long they can last before the mongolian and tibetan revolution

It's not that they fucked up, they implemented communism perfectly and that was the result, millions of people dying.

 

[Adam 🍎]

I'm not going to be polarizing for the sake of being polarizing. I agree capitalism beats communism anyday and that it's the best we've come up with so far and I have nothing against rich people but the ultra rich billionaires makes me disgusted and I know it's because they essentially cheated. Amazon controls almost the entire ecommerce market, that wouldn't be possible in a free market, I have no respect for these huge corporations that exploits poor people to work for them for a pittance just to improve their bottom line.
It's not that they fucked up, they implemented communism perfectly and that was the result, millions of people dying.

USSR had 60% of its most developed land occupied by Germans and razed to the ground.

Meanwhile USA was untouched by the War

Ensuing famine could have been avoided if half of USSR wasnt occupied and destroyed.