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Yea Zoro apparently was using high level armament haki techs on Skypeia, that's why Oda had him go up against a logia and fail to get through his intangability. Superb writing.


OT: Swordsman ship isnt that important. DFs is where its at. Or your just Garp lmao.
 
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Inspector_Mu

You haven't actually disputed anything I said... I said Zoro used Armament to cut Daz bones and advanced armament to cut Ohm

None of what you've responded has actually addressed what I said
Just reread yourself
Zoro using haki and even advanced haki pre ts when he didnt even master haki
What the hell
He didnt even know haki!
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Zoro had no teacher who could explain him the relationship between Haki and Logias.
I'm talking about Oda here. Zoro goes as he goes, there isn't even a hint of air slashes being advanced haki. Knowing how Oda does things there would atleast be some foreshadowing going on. That same arc he had the perfect opportunity facing Enel yet failed to make a Logia tangible.

At best what Oda does now is retcon air slashes to be ryou, the original intentions were clear when he failed to hint at or foreshadow a core SH member casually using advanced haki the entirety of preskip.

You really want me to believe Zoro used advanced haki here against this pacifista hardly affecting it [1], while Luffy used basic haki to one shot the pacifista and Oda put emphasis on him using haki [2] ? Lmao y'all are wildin.
 
Just reread yourself
Zoro using haki and even advanced haki pre ts when he didnt even master haki
What the hell
He didnt even know haki!
How does not knowing what Haki is prevent people from using it?

Doffy Luffy and Ace all use CoC when they don't know what it is

A number of skypieans all use mantra and some are literally just born able to use it wit no training at all

Zoro was trained to use Ryou by a person who knows Wano Ryou techniques

You literally cannot actually believe that Hyogoro explaining Ryou with the same words as breath of all things is some random thing that has no connection even though Koushiro is literally tied to Wano
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I'm talking about Oda here. Zoro goes as he goes, there isn't even a hint of air slashes being advanced haki. Knowing how Oda does things there would atleast be some foreshadowing going on. That same arc he had the perfect opportunity facing Enel yet failed to make a Logia tangible.

At best what Oda does now is retcon air slashes to be ryou, the original intentions were clear when he failed to hint at or foreshadow a core SH member casually using advanced haki the entirety of preskip.

You really want me to believe Zoro used advanced haki here against this pacifista hardly affecting it [1], while Luffy used basic haki to one shot the pacifista and Oda put emphasis on him using haki [2] ? Lmao y'all are wildin.
Is the breath of all things NOT Armament haki then?
 
What are you saying?

Are you saying:

1.Air slashes utilize ryou by default (a function of how they work)?
or
2.You can imbue haki into them (and that is what Zoro did in 1 instance)?
You haven't answered my question though... I can explain everything if we have a core idea we both agree on... Did Zoro use armament haki to cut Daz bones?

Let's start by answering that and we can get into Skypeia and Air slashes and how Barrier haki must obviously have a swordsmanship equivalent that's NOT just making walls
 
Do you need a certain amount of Blood Swordsmanship Content to be a "pure" swordsman? The World's Strongest Swordsman League has to do blood tests on competitors to the Swordsman Olympics to check for purity of swordsmanship, right? Only makes sense.
Well, there certainly is some swordsman codex for those serious about it. Hence Mihawk said to Zoro he will use his sword to pay him respect as a fellow swordsman and hence Zoro asked Mihawk to be taught in the way of the sword. Mihawk said, a sword without grace is no good sword. Guys like Shanks or Roger could just use the sword as an extension similarily to Whitebeard using his Bisento. Or Kaido his club.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Well, there certainly is some swordsman codex for those serious about it. Hence Mihawk said to Zoro he will use his sword to pay him respect as a fellow swordsman and hence Zoro asked Mihawk to be taught in the way of the sword. Mihawk said, a sword without grace is no good sword. Guys like Shanks or Roger could just use the sword as an extension similarily to Whitebeard using his Bisento. Or Kaido his club.
And oden ?
 
Whoa. Youre admitting its possible he used haki in alabasta despite it being before skypia. So why do you seem to have a problem with it being a slash. Either way zoro had haki before enel and never used it on him
Exactly when he first used the flying slash on the priest. The priest had made a steel wall with his morphing sword and the flying slash cut though it. These idiots will still say that it’s not haki just to downplay zoro. Sad fucks
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Well, there certainly is some swordsman codex for those serious about it. Hence Mihawk said to Zoro he will use his sword to pay him respect as a fellow swordsman and hence Zoro asked Mihawk to be taught in the way of the sword. Mihawk said, a sword without grace is no good sword. Guys like Shanks or Roger could just use the sword as an extension similarily to Whitebeard using his Bisento. Or Kaido his club.
Assumptions and baseless
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Exactly when he first used the flying slash on the priest. The priest had made a steel wall with his morphing sword and the flying slash cut though it. These idiots will still say that it’s not haki just to downplay zoro. Sad fucks
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Assumptions and baseless
Thats not what im on about. He has a problem with zoro having a flying haki slash in skypia yet admits its a possibility that he used coa on mr 1. Either way he has haki and a means of hurting enel.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Whoa. Youre admitting its possible he used haki in alabasta despite it being before skypia. So why do you seem to have a problem with it being a slash. Either way zoro had haki before enel and never used it on him
I don't have a problem with 1 or 2 instances of haki being used, I'm talking about the fundamentals of an air slash needing advanced haki.

Zoro using haki a couple of instances, isn't the issue, air slashes themselves being "barrier" haki is the issue.

That pretty much confirms air slashes are just this Barrier haki but with swordsmen
^ This is what I have a problem with.
 
It's possible he did. There was at least some foreshadowing there.

Now let's answer my question
So Zoro used Armament haki to cut Daz bones.

By extension this means Zoro also use armament haki in Skypiea to cut Ohms sword since it was stated multiple times time so be As hard as steel

But the difference is Zoro used An "air slash" to cut Ohms sword. Meaning he used an invisble haki projectile attack to cut

Now let's go back to Hyogoro's training. When he decides to demonstrate the Barrier haki attack for Luffy he says Ryou is used by swordsmen to cut steel. But all throughout the training, at no point did Hyogoro demonstrate Ryou with a sword for Luffy because Luffy wouldn't need that.

If Armament hardening is extensible from Coating your body to coating your sword and then advanced armament is projecting Haki literally off your body then for swordsmen Advanced armament Haki is projecting haki in form of a sword slash

And that's exactly what Zoro did in Skypiea. He projected haki with a sword slash.
 
I don't have a problem with 1 or 2 instances of haki being used, I'm talking about the fundamentals of an air slash needing advanced haki.

Zoro using haki a couple of instances, isn't the issue, air slashes themselves being "barrier" haki is the issue.



^ This is what I have a problem with.
Air slash is projected haki
Zoro used the air slash to destroy a steel wall in skypiea
Case closed
 
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