This guy's argument is pretty bad IMO. His refutation of Zoro Kills Kaido relies on several arguments/claims that I think are very bad/flimsy on their own:
As far as I can tell, this is a random YT guy that doesn't like the ZKK idea, watched one video on it and with the belief that ZKK could not happen set out to challenge/debunk that video.
- He claims that Kaido may not die because that would be giving him what he wants.
- He suggests that other characters have a better claim to killing Kaido like the Scabbards:
- They already tried and failed.
- They are not main characters, and it's always the Strawhats — even for side characters as important and beloved by the fanbase as Law — that are the heroes not the side characters.
- He denies the validity of parallels between Zoro and Ryuma and suggests that Luffy has just as legitimate a parallel with Ryuma.
- Lol.
- He denies the validity and canonicity of the One Piece magazines.
- As far as I'm aware, they reveal some important information that's canon to the One Piece story. I've not verified this though, so I can't speak on how much weight should be given to them.
- He claims that Zoro is not important enough to take the role of slaying Kaido.
- He claims that death is so exceptionally rare in One Piece.
- Ignores how 6 groups of characters (including Kaido himself) and the Narrator have brought up Kaido's death.
As far as I can tell, this is a random YT guy that doesn't like the ZKK idea, watched one video on it and with the belief that ZKK could not happen set out to challenge/debunk that video.
I've said it before, but this is one case where I would not be ashamed if I got it wrong.
There is not only overwhelming evidence for Kaido's death, no one has actually presented a cogent counterargument to Kaido's death. Like all the reasons people have given Kaido wouldn't die are just really bad:
Leaving aside who kills Kaido, can we as a community at least accept that Kaido is most likely going to die? There isn't really any other option.
There is not only overwhelming evidence for Kaido's death, no one has actually presented a cogent counterargument to Kaido's death. Like all the reasons people have given Kaido wouldn't die are just really bad:
- Death is giving him what he wants
- It would be too predictable
- Oda doesn't change major details just because fans guess them.
- Death is a Red Herring
- Death is a theme that has been developed for Kaido over 200+ chapters.
- Luffy doesn't kill his opponents
- Luffy wouldn't be Kaido's executioner.
- Kaido can be imprisoned in Impel Down
- Kaido has been captured 18 times already and ALWAYS broke free.
- Per the Scabbards, Wano will never be free until Kaido is dead.
- Kaido can be trapped at the bottom of the sea
- This is torture.
- There is no indication for this.
- Kaido will submit to Luffy
- This will be character assassination at the highest level.
- No one on Wano will forgive Kaido his 20 years of oppression.
Leaving aside who kills Kaido, can we as a community at least accept that Kaido is most likely going to die? There isn't really any other option.
I feel like people still don't understand Kaido's motivation. Yes he want's to die, but he doesn't just want a simple death, he wants a legendary death the likes of Oden/Roger/WB, where no one will forget him.
"People truly die when they are forgotten" - Dr Hiluluk
Oda stated recently in a interview that Luffy doesn't kill his opponents but rather destroy's their dreams which is worse than death in Oda's eyes.
This all ties back to Kaido. No matter if he dies or not at the end of the arc, he will meet a similar fate to Rocks, who despite his status 30 years ago, has been completely forgotten
"People truly die when they are forgotten" - Dr Hiluluk
Oda stated recently in a interview that Luffy doesn't kill his opponents but rather destroy's their dreams which is worse than death in Oda's eyes.
This all ties back to Kaido. No matter if he dies or not at the end of the arc, he will meet a similar fate to Rocks, who despite his status 30 years ago, has been completely forgotten
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I find it interersting how Zoro killing him could both be and not be what the way he wants to die.
On one hand he would go out without having accomplished his current goal of starting a war on the WG, finding the One Piece and without dying in the blaze of glory of a conqueror.
But on the other hand he would permanently become part of a new legend, which could ironically cause him to be remembered for even longer, even if only as the dragon that got slayed.
On one hand he would go out without having accomplished his current goal of starting a war on the WG, finding the One Piece and without dying in the blaze of glory of a conqueror.
But on the other hand he would permanently become part of a new legend, which could ironically cause him to be remembered for even longer, even if only as the dragon that got slayed.
But that is a subversion of the deaths he aspires to.
In Oden's, Roger's and Whitebeard's legendary deaths, the focus was on them, their manner of death, their life legacy and their final words. They were the heroess. The tale was about them.
If Zoro Kills Kaido, it would forge a legend yes, but not one about Kaido. Kaido will not be the hero of the tale. He'll not be the ones they sing songs and write prose of. He'll not have his own hour of legends.
The tale would be of Zoro cutting down the Dragon Tyrant. Kaido will be an accessory to the tale of another.
This is not what Kaido wants.
In Oden's, Roger's and Whitebeard's legendary deaths, the focus was on them, their manner of death, their life legacy and their final words. They were the heroess. The tale was about them.
If Zoro Kills Kaido, it would forge a legend yes, but not one about Kaido. Kaido will not be the hero of the tale. He'll not be the ones they sing songs and write prose of. He'll not have his own hour of legends.
The tale would be of Zoro cutting down the Dragon Tyrant. Kaido will be an accessory to the tale of another.
This is not what Kaido wants.
I mostly agree with this but there is one scene earlier where i feel like Kaido implied he would've been satisfied with the Red Scabbards killing him if they had been strong enough to do it.
That would've been a very similar death to what ZKK could be, so i'm not entirely sold that Kaido wouldn't want a death like that at all.
That would've been a very similar death to what ZKK could be, so i'm not entirely sold that Kaido wouldn't want a death like that at all.
I think he could be satisfied with a death like that, but it's not what he's seeking out.
It's not the death that Whitebeard, Roger or Oden got that he craves for.
I think Kaido being satisfied with the Scabbards killing him of they were strong enough is because Kaido regretted not dying to Oden. And then, he felt as if the Scabbards were Oden.
It's not the death that Whitebeard, Roger or Oden got that he craves for.
I think Kaido being satisfied with the Scabbards killing him of they were strong enough is because Kaido regretted not dying to Oden. And then, he felt as if the Scabbards were Oden.
Personally I'd buy a pathetic death, and if it involves Zoro, something like the swordsman giving him a lethal wound in the medium-term (nothing like beheading him explicitly, doesn't fit for me) and Kaido trying to do something epic knowing he's bound to die from it but ultimately being unable to do so (either because he succumbs before it or because he's attacked by a third party).
If he ends up having a glorious death it will be in a way that benefits Luffy because the latter has earned his respect.
Not exactly, because the first time we see him in action he just tries to kill himself jumping from an unknown island. But since his character is such a mess it is difficult to establish his exact motivations, although as of now it does seem to be about having a legendary death.
This isn't true, Kaido shares many similarities with other shonen characters (Mewtwo and Blackwargreymon are the best known) with similar profile who ended up "redeemed" in a way that certainly seems possible as of now; especially since Luffy may earn Kaido's respect at the end (and this seems more and more likely as the arc goes).
If he ends up having a glorious death it will be in a way that benefits Luffy because the latter has earned his respect.
Not exactly, because the first time we see him in action he just tries to kill himself jumping from an unknown island. But since his character is such a mess it is difficult to establish his exact motivations, although as of now it does seem to be about having a legendary death.
This isn't true, Kaido shares many similarities with other shonen characters (Mewtwo and Blackwargreymon are the best known) with similar profile who ended up "redeemed" in a way that certainly seems possible as of now; especially since Luffy may earn Kaido's respect at the end (and this seems more and more likely as the arc goes).