Speculations Why Zoro's only opponent in this arc is Kaido and why he is in the same situation as Luffy.

[nik87]

@nik87 earlier in the thread you mentioned that Zoro would be infected with Queen's oni ice virus. Then Chopper's antidote would cure the virus and Zoro's broken bones. I don't understand how having a virus will mend broken bones? It seems like an unnecessary step to go through for healing broken bones. You don't need to explain how the virus works, but can you tell me what chapter or chapters featured Queen and his virus again? Thank you!

It seems that Oda has established that there is no quick fix for Zoro to reach a full recovery. Chopper will be down after fighting in monster point. Zoro is also too exhausted to be healed to full capacity by Marco's flames.

I don't know how it will happen because it seems that Oda struggles with juggling multiple battles in this war. I like to think that Luffy and Zoro will be out for a long time (perhaps several weeks to heal). Then while they are somewhere safe recovering, Oda focuses on Kidd, Killer, and Law defeating Big Mom. Then we can finally see Kidd with feats worthy of being the rival of the Pirate King without Luffy in the manga overshadowing him.

The only problem I can't get passed in my head canon is how Kaido will be stalled if Luffy and Zoro are recovering. I can see Yamato fighting Kaido but that won't be a fight that lasts for the amount of time Luffy and Zoro need to heal.

TL;DR I want Luffy and Zoro to actually need a long time to recover from their wonds, but I don't know how Oda will deal with Kaido in the meantime.

Chopper defeats the virus in 1008, I think.
I agree, virus is not fixing the broken bones. However, it chills the body and kind of puts it into a berserk state in which Zoro would not feel any pain. He already has demonstrated that he can fight with broken bones, he just got exhausted when he collapsed.

Indeed, there is no quick fix but the virus would be the most effective way for Zoro to go back into a fighting state.
Even if Chopper, Marco, Law and whoever healed Scabbards worked together, I dont think their abilities are instant. Recovery takes time.
So, the virus is the only solution since it probably numbs the pain and fatigue and gives a slight buff for an hour.

I think the whole battle will end before dawn so there is no weeks-long recovery, imo. It can happen after the war is won.
I think Ice Oni Zoro stalling Kaido for 1 whole hour is the perfect solution.
I dont think they ever needed a long time to recover mid-battle. Oda wont remove two main factors for a long time.
This is all heading towards fake fail of the raid, act 3 will end with the alliance being in a desperate situation before they turn it all around.

 

[Hanners220]

@nik87 thank you for your reply. I know there are different doctors and characters with healing powers, but Oda heavily emphasized how severe Zoro's injuries were to the point that there is no quick fix. I first thought that your argument was the virus would be an instant cure for broken bones. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Gari]

As if the Grandmaster can taint his hands with such folks given the concurrent situations. A Scabbards will presumably deal with Orochi.

Or Momo, Ame no Habakiri's (Snake-Slayer of Heaven) wielder will kill Orochi.
:cheers:

 

[Finalbeta]

Or Momo, Ame no Habakiri's (Snake-Slayer of Heaven) wielder will kill Orochi.
:cheers:

That would a cool scenario. Momo finishing what Oden has interrupted with Orochi.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Luffy wont suprass kaido in this arc. It would be joke if he suprass a yonko end of wano lol

That’s why the scabbard got their turns, the rooftop 5 got theirs, Zoro got his individually, Yamato is likely soon to get hers, and other characters may stall and whittle Kaido down some more before Luffy gets his chance to finish him. It won’t mean Luffy surpassed Kaido because Kaido will have been through the biggest gauntlet of back to back fights we’ve seen in the series that includes over a dozen strong opponents, while Luffy has just been fighting Kaido.

 

[Herrera95]

It is not about the level of the attack because the barrier nullifies it anyway.
It is how many attacks he is facing at the same time - more attacks are more troublesome.
Two attackers could produce 2 attack sources each, he already needs 4 barriers for that and he cant do that...
That automatically puts him into a worse situation than facing one attack source from Kaido.
He would either get hit which is asking for Kaido's skin or he would have to move completely out of harm's way.

What? Are you saying that "barrier" would block no matter how strong tha haki user is?

By the way, that Barrier you are saying is the one Hyogoro tried to teach Luffy right? The same Sentomaru and Boa Sisters used against Luffy and Rayleigh used against Elephanth. If is that, Luffy never showed he is able to do this barrier.
What Luffy can do is the same haki skin from BM which is most likely this CoC coat thing. This is just speculation though.


Sorry but you lack of evidence that Luffy can't dodge/block more than one source of attack.

 

[nik87]

What? Are you saying that "barrier" would block no matter how strong tha haki user is?

By the way, that Barrier you are saying is the one Hyogoro tried to teach Luffy right? The same Sentomaru and Boa Sisters used against Luffy and Rayleigh used against Elephanth. If is that, Luffy never showed he is able to do this barrier.
What Luffy can do is the same haki skin from BM which is most likely this CoC coat thing. This is just speculation though.


Sorry but you lack of evidence that Luffy can't dodge/block more than one source of attack.

Isnt that exactly what we saw? A vastly superior opponent swinging a club got nullified by a punny barrier of base Luffy.
Two Emperors putting their best attacks together that can wreck an island got completely stopped in its tracks by Zoro's barrier.
That is plenty of evidence that barrier literally nullifies everything, at least for a moment of how long it lasts.

It is basically a cheap version of Bari Bari no Mi...
There is no need for evidence... He can dodge probably but he certainly cannot block 4 sources at the same time.
It is not like King and Queen are scrubs compared to him, they are high level of opponents.
If he doesnt manage to stop every swing from King's sword, he is dead.

 

[Herrera95]

Isnt that exactly what we saw? A vastly superior opponent swinging a club got nullified by a punny barrier of base Luffy.
Two Emperors putting their best attacks together that can wreck an island got completely stopped in its tracks by Zoro's barrier.
That is plenty of evidence that barrier literally nullifies everything, at least for a moment of how long it lasts.

It is basically a cheap version of Bari Bari no Mi...
There is no need for evidence... He can dodge probably but he certainly cannot block 4 sources at the same time.
It is not like King and Queen are scrubs compared to him, they are high level of opponents.
If he doesnt manage to stop every swing from King's sword, he is dead.

Why you keep saying 4 soucers? King is one sword style user and Queen with his weapons ir pretty much 1 source only.

Barrier no mi is another level for sure, not even Oden was able to cut it.
But barrier haki it only depends on what haki is greater. Zoro didn't fully blocked not even received directly in his body (like Luffy blocking one attack from Kaido and then receiving the other and passing out at 1009). Zoro stopped/slowed (I bet Zoro was being pushed back while he was holding it that is why I said slowed) Hakai and then Law shambles to save him and then Hakai hits those rocks behind.
So Zoro haki wasn't greater than 2 Yonkos combined and we don't even know if Zoro used barrier haki, could have been normal armament haki only.


Yes King and Queen are not scrubs compared to him BUT... BM one-shotted P1 using this coat CoC thing. Luffy in theory could do something similar against King and Queen. Sure P1 didn't even tried to block it with haki(don't remember nothing that indicates that) but Luffy AP with that coat CoC thing is enough to beat any YC in few hits.

 

[nik87]

Why you keep saying 4 soucers? King is one sword style user and Queen with his weapons ir pretty much 1 source only.

Barrier no mi is another level for sure, not even Oden was able to cut it.
But barrier haki it only depends on what haki is greater. Zoro didn't fully blocked not even received directly in his body (like Luffy blocking one attack from Kaido and then receiving the other and passing out at 1009). Zoro stopped/slowed (I bet Zoro was being pushed back while he was holding it that is why I said slowed) Hakai and then Law shambles to save him and then Hakai hits those rocks behind.
So Zoro haki wasn't greater than 2 Yonkos combined and we don't even know if Zoro used barrier haki, could have been normal armament haki only.


Yes King and Queen are not scrubs compared to him BUT... BM one-shotted P1 using this coat CoC thing. Luffy in theory could do something similar against King and Queen. Sure P1 didn't even tried to block it with haki(don't remember nothing that indicates that) but Luffy AP with that coat CoC thing is enough to beat any YC in few hits.

Queen had 2 swords and he will have a tail plus the cybernetic neck which he just used to bite on Chopper.
That is already 4 attack sources from Queen only... We know nothing of King and he could easily do just as many if not more...
In short, Luffy would be fked.

Well, Barrier no Mi is basically a plot element, it is literally made to be invincible. These barriers are cheap versions of it.
It doesnt seem to depend on whose haki is greater, unless Luffy's novice CoC is greater than a veteran of NW, strongest in the world...
Zoro did fully stop it for a short time, literally nullified all that monstrosity. That would never be possible if barriers wouldnt nullify whatever is coming their way. Law never shambled Zoro out of it. Zoro took it head-on and survived.

Zoro's barrier was island-sized, we literally saw how large of an attack it stopped. Unlike Barrier no Mi which can last endlessly, a haki barrier cannot, thus Hakai eventually broke through it...
Well, the difference between BM and P1 cannot be found between Luffy and King/Queen. P1 was just caught off guard by someone he thought was an ally... I dont think Luffy can take down any Calamity with few hits. He is notorious for being ineffective and needing many hits.

 

[Herrera95]

Queen had 2 swords and he will have a tail plus the cybernetic neck which he just used to bite on Chopper.
That is already 4 attack sources from Queen only... We know nothing of King and he could easily do just as many if not more...
In short, Luffy would be fked.

Well, Barrier no Mi is basically a plot element, it is literally made to be invincible. These barriers are cheap versions of it.
It doesnt seem to depend on whose haki is greater, unless Luffy's novice CoC is greater than a veteran of NW, strongest in the world...
Zoro did fully stop it for a short time, literally nullified all that monstrosity. That would never be possible if barriers wouldnt nullify whatever is coming their way. Law never shambled Zoro out of it. Zoro took it head-on and survived.

Zoro's barrier was island-sized, we literally saw how large of an attack it stopped. Unlike Barrier no Mi which can last endlessly, a haki barrier cannot, thus Hakai eventually broke through it...
Well, the difference between BM and P1 cannot be found between Luffy and King/Queen. P1 was just caught off guard by someone he thought was an ally... I dont think Luffy can take down any Calamity with few hits. He is notorious for being ineffective and needing many hits.

Never saw Queen using sword, hard to believe he can properly use 2 would be the same shit as Luffy using it at the beginning of Wano. By logic(not applied to Oda but...) you can't use all those 4 sources with decent strength. That is why people usually don't punch and kick at same time. You are arguing Queen to have 4 soucers while Luffy can have almost the same 4 soucers to block his attacks (2 arms, 2 legs plus one head to block King's sword). My whole argument is Luffy creating a skin with his Adv Coc that would pretty much be the same one BM did. Plus Luffy has FS so he has advantage to know what attack he has to block what he has to dodge.

Hakai... If you pay attention to it, you will notice that Hakai was not that big initially, it became big at one point. My bet is that when Zoro blocked Hakai expanded to the sides greating that illusion of being a large AoE attack while in fact was about the size of Zoro. This is not downgrading him, he don't need to have a large haki area but a density one. Law is literally draw using the movement of shambles. Then we saw Zoro next to Law and all others while those rocks got destroyed but Hakai. Try to explain this first, if Zoro took Hakai why the rocks got destroyed? Why is Zoro next to them if they escaped from Hakai? Law used shambles after Zoro took Hakai? Makes no sense.

Luffy is notorious for giving a huge amount of blows on his opponnets before defeating him. Except for Cracker and Katakuri. Also that was Luffy without coating CoC. He is matching Kaido and BM AP with that technique, he would beat any YC with few blows unless that YC knows how to coat as well.

 

[nik87]

Never saw Queen using sword, hard to believe he can properly use 2 would be the same shit as Luffy using it at the beginning of Wano. By logic(not applied to Oda but...) you can't use all those 4 sources with decent strength. That is why people usually don't punch and kick at same time. You are arguing Queen to have 4 soucers while Luffy can have almost the same 4 soucers to block his attacks (2 arms, 2 legs plus one head to block King's sword). My whole argument is Luffy creating a skin with his Adv Coc that would pretty much be the same one BM did. Plus Luffy has FS so he has advantage to know what attack he has to block what he has to dodge.

To make this short - you are expecting too much from Luffy...

Hakai... If you pay attention to it, you will notice that Hakai was not that big initially, it became big at one point. My bet is that when Zoro blocked Hakai expanded to the sides greating that illusion of being a large AoE attack while in fact was about the size of Zoro. This is not downgrading him, he don't need to have a large haki area but a density one. Law is literally draw using the movement of shambles. Then we saw Zoro next to Law and all others while those rocks got destroyed but Hakai. Try to explain this first, if Zoro took Hakai why the rocks got destroyed? Why is Zoro next to them if they escaped from Hakai? Law used shambles after Zoro took Hakai? Makes no sense.

Do you want to try that again because this is certainly not about he size of Zoro?

Spoiler

Yes, Law is drawn with move indicating Shambles because just like Luffy, Kidd and Killer, he was trying to get himself to safety...
The rocks got destroyed because Zoro's barrier got broken and attack proceeded to where it was heading, slightly lifted up bcs of Zoro.
Zoro is not next to them, they are next to Zoro because they never got away, Zoro only bought them a couple of seconds to duck down which we literally see on screen from the 3 aside from Law.
Zoro is literally engulfed in the Hakai on screen and it's tearing him apart... The attack has already gone past Zoro in the last panel.

Luffy is notorious for giving a huge amount of blows on his opponnets before defeating him. Except for Cracker and Katakuri. Also that was Luffy without coating CoC. He is matching Kaido and BM AP with that technique, he would beat any YC with few blows unless that YC knows how to coat as well.

Cracker and Katakuri were fragile, none of these Ancient Zoans are as fragile as that, not even close...
No, he is not matching them... The barrier is simply nullifying all the advantages those two have over him.
Big Mom and Kaido are capable of one-shotting Luffy, Luffy cannot do anything close to that to them or any other Ancient Zoan...
Both King and Queen have weapons and he will never land clean hits on them... Even if he does, they wont affect them much...

 

[Herrera95]

To make this short - you are expecting too much from Luffy...


Do you want to try that again because this is certainly not about he size of Zoro?

Spoiler

Yes, Law is drawn with move indicating Shambles because just like Luffy, Kidd and Killer, he was trying to get himself to safety...
The rocks got destroyed because Zoro's barrier got broken and attack proceeded to where it was heading, slightly lifted up bcs of Zoro.
Zoro is not next to them, they are next to Zoro because they never got away, Zoro only bought them a couple of seconds to duck down which we literally see on screen from the 3 aside from Law.
Zoro is literally engulfed in the Hakai on screen and it's tearing him apart... The attack has already gone past Zoro in the last panel.


Cracker and Katakuri were fragile, none of these Ancient Zoans are as fragile as that, not even close...
No, he is not matching them... The barrier is simply nullifying all the advantages those two have over him.
Big Mom and Kaido are capable of one-shotting Luffy, Luffy cannot do anything close to that to them or any other Ancient Zoan...
Both King and Queen have weapons and he will never land clean hits on them... Even if he does, they wont affect them much...

Yes, I am expecting too much from Luffy only to support that asspulling from chapter 1010.

Like I said, when Zoro blocked Hakai it spread all over making this illusion of being a giant attack. Can you see the beginning of the attack and the small trail it makes until hit Zoro? It's not that big, it is Zoro size. Think like a cannon ball, it is small but when explode the explosion itself is huge to represent the power. Hakai is small but is very powerfull, that is represented in this picture.

Stop that barrier nullyfing thing. It was never stated or shown. Luffy can't even do that shit. He is using Adv CoC to block Kaido's Club not Barrier.

Cracker and Katakuri are fragile... Just because you want them to be. Cracker may actually be because he is afraid of pain but not Katakuri. Katakuri learned adv CoO. Luffy got beat so much to learn that. Katakuri must have be beaten as much or more because he doesn't have plot armor.


Luffy is landing clean hits on Kaido, why not at King and Queen? He managed to land clean hits even on Katakuri. Sorry dude, you have no evidence to support this.

 

[nik87]

Like I said, when Zoro blocked Hakai it spread all over making this illusion of being a giant attack. Can you see the beginning of the attack and the small trail it makes until hit Zoro? It's not that big, it is Zoro size. Think like a cannon ball, it is small but when explode the explosion itself is huge to represent the power. Hakai is small but is very powerfull, that is represented in this picture.

No... You can literally see how huge the attack is and that is before Zoro blocked it.
If what you were saying was right, once it broke through Zoro's barrier it would be tiny but it wasnt.
The attack is an island buster, no doubt about it.

Stop that barrier nullyfing thing. It was never stated or shown. Luffy can't even do that shit. He is using Adv CoC to block Kaido's Club not Barrier.

It is literally shown lmao. Luffy's weak base is equalling Kaido's hybrid. There is no way for him to match that unless the barrier does its job and nullifies everything that places Kaido above him. The greater physical strength, the advantage of swinging a weapon, all of it has been matched by base Luffy using a barrier and without a barrier, Luffy wasnt able to match it - the conclusion, my dear, is that barrier nullifies everything.

Cracker and Katakuri are fragile... Just because you want them to be. Cracker may actually be because he is afraid of pain but not Katakuri. Katakuri learned adv CoO. Luffy got beat so much to learn that. Katakuri must have be beaten as much or more because he doesn't have plot armor.

Because the story has shown them to be, dont confuse it with me...
Luffy's base drew blood from Katakuri while his post Udon G3 did nothing to Pejiwann.
And you doubt the Charlotte children being fragile? Lmao...

Luffy is landing clean hits on Kaido, why not at King and Queen? He managed to land clean hits even on Katakuri. Sorry dude, you have no evidence to support this.

Because Kaido isnt even trying to dodge them since they dont affect him...
While Queen may not be evasive, he surely can defend and block like he did in Udon when he threw Luffy's attack away like nothing.
King is more mobile than Kaido probably and has a weapon to defend with. How many hits did Luffy land on Katakuri while Katakuri used his weapon? That should tell you about how many hits he will land on King.

 

[Herrera95]

No... You can literally see how huge the attack is and that is before Zoro blocked it.
If what you were saying was right, once it broke through Zoro's barrier it would be tiny but it wasnt.
The attack is an island buster, no doubt about it.


It is literally shown lmao. Luffy's weak base is equalling Kaido's hybrid. There is no way for him to match that unless the barrier does its job and nullifies everything that places Kaido above him. The greater physical strength, the advantage of swinging a weapon, all of it has been matched by base Luffy using a barrier and without a barrier, Luffy wasnt able to match it - the conclusion, my dear, is that barrier nullifies everything.


Because the story has shown them to be, dont confuse it with me...
Luffy's base drew blood from Katakuri while his post Udon G3 did nothing to Pejiwann.
And you doubt the Charlotte children being fragile? Lmao...


Because Kaido isnt even trying to dodge them since they dont affect him...
While Queen may not be evasive, he surely can defend and block like he did in Udon when he threw Luffy's attack away like nothing.
King is more mobile than Kaido probably and has a weapon to defend with. How many hits did Luffy land on Katakuri while Katakuri used his weapon? That should tell you about how many hits he will land on King.

The image is very clear, it is a small path until Hakai hits Zoro and then expand to the sides. This is how explosions works. You are denying what is literally showed in your face.

Luffy base form is not weak anymore. He can only use adv armament on base form because G4 is already using basic armament(so he can't use basic + adv armament together). Luffy is using Adv CoC to block Kaido's attack, not Barrier. He never learned Barrier. He jumped Barrier and went straight to Internal Damage.


Page One(why the hell you digit his name wrong?) is spitting blood and got his jaw out of place by Luffy G3. Katakuri took G4 hits and didn't got anything out of his place.

Kaido LITERALLY DODGED Luffy Red Hawk on 1009 and Luffy commented about it. He isn't dodging Luffy attacks coated with CoC.
King more mobile than Kaido? Keep that headcannon for youself, King never blitzed anyone Kaido is faster than Luffy post Udon with Future Sight to fully react his Thunder Bagua.
Again, you are comparing weak Luffy without adv armament and coc. Luffy now have both, he didn't against Katakuri. Luffy was toe to toe with Kaido, we don't know how Luffy lost but the strength of Kaido to one-shot G4 Luffy is the same Luffy have now while coating his attacks with CoC. So if BM one-shots P1 Luffy can do the same in same conditions. So few hits to knock out King and Queen is very plausible.

 

[nik87]

The image is very clear, it is a small path until Hakai hits Zoro and then expand to the sides. This is how explosions works. You are denying what is literally showed in your face.

Luffy base form is not weak anymore. He can only use adv armament on base form because G4 is already using basic armament(so he can't use basic + adv armament together). Luffy is using Adv CoC to block Kaido's attack, not Barrier. He never learned Barrier. He jumped Barrier and went straight to Internal Damage.


Page One(why the hell you digit his name wrong?) is spitting blood and got his jaw out of place by Luffy G3. Katakuri took G4 hits and didn't got anything out of his place.

Kaido LITERALLY DODGED Luffy Red Hawk on 1009 and Luffy commented about it. He isn't dodging Luffy attacks coated with CoC.
King more mobile than Kaido? Keep that headcannon for youself, King never blitzed anyone Kaido is faster than Luffy post Udon with Future Sight to fully react his Thunder Bagua.
Again, you are comparing weak Luffy without adv armament and coc. Luffy now have both, he didn't against Katakuri. Luffy was toe to toe with Kaido, we don't know how Luffy lost but the strength of Kaido to one-shot G4 Luffy is the same Luffy have now while coating his attacks with CoC. So if BM one-shots P1 Luffy can do the same in same conditions. So few hits to knock out King and Queen is very plausible.

Did you not read what I said? I said that you can see how huge Hakai is in the image I posted which is before Zoro blocked it.
Read again if you didnt understand it. I will wait until you get it. Another thing you didnt understand is when it breaks through Zoro's barrier it is not tiny as you want it to be, it is as large as an island. Separate facts from headcanon...

Luffy's base is as weak as it was before. AdvCoC is enhancing his barrier. All the attacks which "they arent even touching" are barriers.
Barrier is internal damage, advCoC just makes it larger, thus Luffy saying it wasnt deep enough without it...

PejiWann's jaw didnt go anywhere and the bystanders are surprised that nothing happened to him... He took less damage from post Udon G3 than Katakuri took from base Luffy in WCI, lol. Katakuri was wrecked by G4, post GK Doffy was handling it far better.

Yes, Kaido dodged, he can be mobile when he wants, I never denied it. Why isnt he dodging CoC coated attacks? You implying he cant?
Yes, King may very well be more mobile than Kaido while Luffy wasnt mobile enough to avoid getting grabbed by Ulti in her Zoan form...

No, Luffy doesnt have the same strength to one-shot anyone like Kaido can, complete headcanon.
Haki is nothing but enhancement, nothing else, Luffy's body is as it was.
No, Luffy cannot one shot PejiWann with basic punch coated in CoC because he doesnt have the strength of Big Mom...
No, lol... PejiWann will stand up like nothing happened and you think King and Queen will go down from few hits? No way, lol.
Ancient Zoans dont go down easily, no matter what you hit them with. You implied Sanji could handle both while not even Luffy can...

 

[Mr.9000]

It's very weird. For some of them Kaido dying wouldn't make sense unless BB magically appears to steal his fruit killing him during the process. That kind of bias is weird asf.
Trusting a theory that makes sense and has a lot of foreshadow and paralells:
Trusting a theory that has 0 foreshadow and 0 sense whatsoever but fits your agenda:

Yup, dislike ZKK theory because of "reasons", then think BB will come in and end Kaido. Thank Goda theyre not writing OP or any story for that matter. Trash thinking. an admiral more likely to surprise us than BB. Fans stay off the weeed! Lol Yonkos cant just make big moves, without another knowing. Why would Shanks or the marines let BB get the strongest zoan fruit? Make it make sense

 

[spawn]

The simplest explanation is that Zoro was implicitly excluded from the "you guys".

I mean Luffy did not complain when he saw Zoro on the Rooftop. Zoro heading to the Rooftop was never written as defying captain's orders. No other Strawhat complained when Zoro expressed his desire to go to the Rooftop. They did not criticise him for going against Luffy's instructions.

Oda clearly did not intend for Zoro heading to the Rooftop to be in defiance of Luffy, so that can be ruled out. If we assume that Luffy was not including Zoro in his address, this makes sense.

Correct, Luffy doesn't complain about Zoro coming to the rooftop. However, I think Luffy was always planning on receiving help until he felt comfortable facing Kaido alone. Unfortunately for Luffy, even with his new power-up, it's still not enough.

I think Oda's plan with Hakki was to take Zoro out and not have him be the person who stalls Kaido while Luffy recovers. If Zoro hadn't taken Hakkai and still went downstairs as per Luffy's words, then the next person who faces Kaido would be Zoro. I don't think this is what Oda wants. He likely doesn't want a duel between Zoro and Kaido.

With Luffy's return being inevitable, I think Oda will end up timing their respective goals so that they don't ever truly overlap. Zoro will likely not see Kaido until it's the perfect moment. Depending on how much he's healed, he could go and fight King (a delay) and perform 1 more attack on Kaido, the attack that did not land earlier.

 

[Cinera]

Correct, Luffy doesn't complain about Zoro coming to the rooftop. However, I think Luffy was always planning on receiving help until he felt comfortable facing Kaido alone. Unfortunately for Luffy, even with his new power-up, it's still not enough.

I think Oda's plan with Hakki was to take Zoro out and not have him be the person who stalls Kaido while Luffy recovers. If Zoro hadn't taken Hakkai and still went downstairs as per Luffy's words, then the next person who faces Kaido would be Zoro. I don't think this is what Oda wants. He likely doesn't want a duel between Zoro and Kaido.

With Luffy's return being inevitable, I think Oda will end up timing their respective goals so that they don't ever truly overlap. Zoro will likely not see Kaido until it's the perfect moment. Depending on how much he's healed, he could go and fight King (a delay) and perform 1 more attack on Kaido, the attack that did not land earlier.

I agree that Hakai was to put Zoro on time out.

I don't know if Zoro would never duel Kaido. I think the story needs Kaido to recognise the birth of a monster samurai of the likes of Oden, and a duel is the best time for that.
Recent developments and the current circumstances make a duel seem unlikely, and I don't actively expect it either.

I expected an Oden comparison when Zoro scarred Kaido, so I have low confidence that Oda will see through the Oden narrative.

 

[Mr.9000]

It's very weird. For some of them Kaido dying wouldn't make sense unless BB magically appears to steal his fruit killing him during the process. That kind of bias is weird asf.
Trusting a theory that makes sense and has a lot of foreshadow and paralells:
Trusting a theory that has 0 foreshadow and 0 sense whatsoever but fits your agenda:

When they started bringing up BB, I thought to myself... They cant see the light at the end of the tunnel, so they reminisce of what transpired in Marineford to copy and paste the ending of that arc to Wano. Great storytelling They forget, BB and his crew had a lot more screen time leading up to BB plan being revealed. Kinda like our little theory of ZKK

 

[nik87]

Why you keep saying 4 soucers? King is one sword style user and Queen with his weapons ir pretty much 1 source only.

Do you understand now why I keep saying it?
Queen alone has 5 attack sources. No need to factor King in at all.