Who will be the next Strawhat


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Another ten chapters since we saw Carrot, and just like last time, it seems very deliberate that she's being left out. There’s a point Oda's planning to make, and it has everything to do with Pedro's will.
It could simply be the case that she's not that important. There are several other characters that have disappeared for very long stretches of chapters:
  • Hawkins
  • Drake
  • Apoo
Even Sanji during Roof Piece. Carrot's absence is not necessarily deliberate; there is simply no need or reason to show her on panel yet.


Soon, she's going to put that all together and truly have her moment, move forward and make it clear whether her future is with the Straw Hats or not. And I'm still betting that it is.
What do you expect her moving forward to be? What does "moving forward" look like.
 
Do people really know how Oda writes the story?
OFC she's been left out LMAO

Before she appeared again some things should have happened before...Like, The Red Scabbards getting defeated and healed, like Marco vs King+QUeen and the entire dome situation...And for her defeat, the sky must have been covered in clouds, but which clouds? BM and Kaido's clouds.

RN Oda is doing exactly the same, he's preparing something taht must have something before it (Maybe not as big as one can imagine tho), and it's doing the same thing with Sanji btw ...
But it seems like you want all in once XD
 
It could simply be the case that she's not that important.
That I simply can't buy. Why kill Pedro? Why bring back Perospero over and over? Why leave Carrot unfulfilled when she had a chance to settle the score?

There are several other characters that have disappeared for very long stretches of chapters:
  • Hawkins
  • Drake
  • Apoo
None of them shared an arc-long adventure with the crew resulting in the death of one of their closest allies. Carrot actually means something to the Straw Hats, certainly on par with Momo, Kin and Law.

Carrot's absence is not necessarily deliberate; there is simply no need or reason to show her on panel yet.
Sorry, I don't get this. He's not improvising here. He clearly has a plan as to what he wants to achive with Carrot. That's why for the past half year, he's been very precise with where and when he cuts to her, and why she hasn't just been thrown in with the occasional likes of Hyo and Bepo. Her pursuit of Peros has been all that's been shown, and now that it's failed, what remains is to see where she goes from there.

What do you expect her moving forward to be? What does "moving forward" look like.
Again, Oda's the one who keeps bringing it up, so I can only guess as to what he ultimately has in mind. But to me, moving forward means finding purpose. Carrot wants to have adventures outside Zou, so if the dawn gives her purpose to do so, that's great for her. She's friends with the Straw Hats, and the purpose of seeing them bring the dawn will keep her together with them. Her purpose isn't revenge for Pedro. It shouldn't simply be defeating Perospero. Whatever her purpose ends up being has to connect to the dawn and the Straw Hats: that's what Pedro meant.
 
This strikes me as very shortsighted. Oda has kept Carrot a constant presence for 5 years for a reason.
She hasn’t been a constant presence. She has been on the island that the Strawhats are on, but vanishes for vast periods of time, and other than a handful of chapters in WCI has played a negligible role in the series.

Simply being around, vaguely, in the background, does not make a Strawhat. Shinobu’s been around constantly since Oct 2018- and I do mean constantly, she’s been in a surprsing amount of chapters and even played a decent role in the Oden flashback- but she’s not joining the crew.

Focus is what’s important, the character getting time spent on them so the readers get to know them, and have things to talk about. That is happening for Yamato. It is not happening for Carrot. Carrot has given you people so little to talk about that we are actually having to listen to the argument that her being continually off-panelled is actually a good thing.

He killed Pedro, the first to die since Ace and WB, for a reason. He hasn't brought Carrot to the breaking point, beaten, unable to move onward, time not having come, just to leave her there.
Of course Carrot will do something, and conclude her plotline with Perospero.

Is there any indication that something will somehow lead to a sea change in the fortunes of the character and Oda is going to spend the last third of Wano making Carrot a focal point, giving her the depth and screentime she would so desperately need to be a Strawhat?

No.

Whether it adds up to becoming a Straw Hat is still in the air.
It’s not really though. Like you’ve said- Carrot’s been in the series five years. She’s not some shiny new character full of mystery for Oda to unravel. We have more than enough of Carrot for us to know how she’ll be used. Which is not as a Strawhat, but as one of their allies, the main Mink one.
But she has been pushed by Pedro to become more dynamic. She nor Oda have forgotten what he said, it's been repeated twice this battle. She’s very much relevant, and to act like Carrot won't mean anything of importance is just begging for egg on the face by the end of all this.
If importance is defined as playing a big role in the defeat of a relatively minor villain like Perospero, sure.

Anything more than that, belly laughs all around. Even the dawn, her great hope, has been usurped by the Wano cast.
 
She hasn’t been a constant presence. She has been on the island that the Strawhats are on, but vanishes for vast periods of time, and other than a handful of chapters in WCI has played a negligible role in the series.
That "handful" including one of the darkest moments the crew ever faced, the actual death of an ally they grew very close to. That's what Carrot was a part of, and that's a big part of why I'm still on her side.

Simply being around, vaguely, in the background, does not make a Strawhat. Shinobu’s been around constantly since Oct 2018- and I do mean constantly, she’s been in a surprsing amount of chapters and even played a decent role in the Oden flashback- but she’s not joining the crew.

Focus is what’s important, the character getting time spent on them so the readers get to know them, and have things to talk about. That is happening for Yamato. It is not happening for Carrot.
The groundwork and focus she needed to get started were laid out in Totto Land. The events on Onigashma have been building it up, and I'd go so far to say that it's been laser focused for the past half year. He hasn't been superfluous with Carrot's story at all: he's been telling it without fluff, making the point in precise sections and giving each moment maximum impact.

Focus is important, but so too is letting a moment breathe. He's been rushing Yamato along like he had no time for less. Jinbe proved that's not the case.

Carrot has given you people so little to talk about that we are actually having to listen to the argument that her being continually off-panelled is actually a good thing.
What's with the "you people" crack? I'm a person. Carrot supporters are no more the Borg hive mind than Yamato supprters or anyone else. The reasons I support Carrot are my own. And right now you're talking to me, so have the courtesy to focus on my argument as an individual.

Now, if I'm trusting that this is all building up to Carrot joining the crew, I also have to trust that the slow pace has a reason. I want to see more of Carrot, I expect I will. But Jinbe trained me to be patient. I still don't know why he kept holding Jinbe back time and time again, but I have to trust that there was a reason just like there's a reason for holding back Carrot now.

Of course Carrot will do something, and conclude her plotline with Perospero.
What about that is irrelevant then? Oda made it relevant by killing Pedro in the first place, something he hardly ever follows through on. He made it relevant again by bring Perospero back when he could have been left down the falls with the others. He's choosing, even now, to keep Carrot's seemingly unimportant story relevant despite everything else left to tell.

Is there any indication that something will somehow lead to a sea change in the fortunes of the character and Oda is going to spend the last third of Wano making Carrot a focal point, giving her the depth and screentime she would so desperately need to be a Strawhat?

No.
I'd say that said relevance Oda has maintained is reason enough to expect more depth to come. Carrot needs to have her time to shine, she needs to understand why yhe Straw Hats and the dawn are so important, and she needs to move forward and find where she needs to be in the endgame to come.

It’s not really though. Like you’ve said- Carrot’s been in the series five years. She’s not some shiny new character full of mystery for Oda to unravel. We have more than enough of Carrot for us to know how she’ll be used. Which is not as a Strawhat, but as one of their allies, the main Mink one.
Jinbe was left hanging for ten years, during which we got hundreds of characters of all makes and models. If there's one thing I learned, it's not to be distracted by the shiny new toys.

If importance is defined as playing a big role in the defeat of a relatively minor villain like Perospero, sure.
My point has been that I don't think her journey necessarily has to go hand in hand with his defeat. He's gotta go down, clearly. But if her character arc leads her past the need for personal vengeance and to where Pedro wants her to go, as a herald of the dawn supporting the Straw Hats, then she could just as easily trust Neko to take care of Peros and get on to what she ultimately needs to do.
 
That "handful" including one of the darkest moments the crew ever faced, the actual death of an ally they grew very close to. That's what Carrot was a part of, and that's a big part of why I'm still on her side.
Pedro’s death was a dark moment, but it’s not one that was especially relevant to the crew. It’s not like their all champing at the bit to avenge Pedro, it’s the Minks that are doing that. It, like Yasu’s death, has been relegated to the side, while the main story of avenging Oden takes centre stage. For being such a huge tragedy... it’s really not focused on. Especially by the one that counts the most- Luffy.

With Yasu’s death the following arc (and we’ll see if any of the Kiku/Kan/Kin ones stick)... present day death in One Piece is starting to lose it’s lustre.

The groundwork and focus she needed to get started were laid out in Totto Land.
It wasn’t, though. Even on WCI, with a smaller cast, she was dropping in and out of the narrative without ever really taking centre stage other than with Su Long. Her relationship with Pedro was woefully undeveloped prior to his death, and her flashback with him was rattled through in about what, three pages? That’s how Carrot has always been treated, she gets a few pages, a moment or two, but Oda never bothers to dive in deep with her.

Contrast that with Yamato, who in a mere thirty chapters has:
-interacted more with Luffy
-brought up the dawn as much as Carrot ever has, and certainly seems to be more clued in about it
-had her flashback with Ace drawn out over the milestone 999/1000 chapters, where we got more of Yamato/Ace in two chapters than we got of Pedro/Carrot in two arcs
-has asked to sail away with the Strawhats

and we haven’t even got to her all important relationship with Kaido yet.
The events on Onigashma have been building it up, and I'd go so far to say that it's been laser focused for the past half year. He hasn't been superfluous with Carrot's story at all: he's been telling it without fluff, making the point in precise sections and giving each moment maximum impact.
He’s been giving it a page or two every couple of chapters while focusing on the more important plotlines. It’s about as “laser focused” as Drake’s plotline is. Both will lead somewhere eventually, neither are major plotlines that require much time dwelt on.
He's been rushing Yamato along like he had no time for less.
No, he’s just been displaying Yamato prominently because she’s clearly a very important part of the arc. We’re still waiting to see her DF and, more importantly, what her relationship with her father is really like. And in the meantime, Oda’s making sure to keep her in the readers mind by actually drawing her and have her do things.
Jinbe proved that's not the case.
Carrot does not compare to Jinbei at all. Jinbei was utilised brilliantly throughout his first three arcs, always at the fore, his relationship with Jinbei a major plot point developed throughout the three arcs prior to his invitation. Oda was making sure to give big double spreads of Luffy thinking about and reacting to Jinbei to set their relationship up



Carrot has nothing like that. The most that can be used is him telling her and the crew (and Brulee) to watch the ship. I don’t think Luffy and Carrot have spoken since. We can cut Yamato slack now because she is still pretty new to the series, and there’s reason to look forward to her, Luffy and Kaido interacting, but in five years Carrot hasn’t even touched on the buildup that Jinbei got.
What's with the "you people" crack? I'm a person. Carrot supporters are no more the Borg hive mind than Yamato supprters or anyone else. The reasons I support Carrot are my own. And right now you're talking to me, so have the courtesy to focus on my argument as an individual.
Apologies
What about that is irrelevant then? Oda made it relevant by killing Pedro in the first place, something he hardly ever follows through on. He made it relevant again by bring Perospero back when he could have been left down the falls with the others. He's choosing, even now, to keep Carrot's seemingly unimportant story relevant despite everything else left to tell.
Just because the plot hasn’t been dropped entirely, with Oda forgetting it’s existence- which would be dreadful writing- doesn’t mean the plot-point itself is very important.

It’s like Raizo and Fukurokujo having a rivalry. Absolutely no point in brining it up if Oda never does anything with it. But still no reason to think that Raizo beating his great rival, when Oda gets around to showing it, is a sign that he is going to be the Strawhats ninja.

I'd say that said relevance Oda has maintained is reason enough to expect more depth to come. Carrot needs to have her time to shine, she needs to understand why yhe Straw Hats and the dawn are so important, and she needs to move forward and find where she needs to be in the endgame to come.
What Carrot needs is just what every character that has ever existed needs, for her storyline to have a coherent beginning, middle and end.

And there is nothing to suggest that a character that has been used as scarcely as Carrot suddenly needs to become a main character, which would be wildly inconsistent with how she has been used up until now, just because she hasn’t been written out of the series entirely.
Jinbe was left hanging for ten years, during which we got hundreds of characters of all makes and models. If there's one thing I learned, it's not to be distracted by the shiny new toys.
Yes, but unlike Carrot, Jinbei was always a hugely important character in his long-running joining saga. It took time, but it was worth it, because whenever Jinbei was in the series Oda took the time to give him attention and depth required to be a Strawhat. One Piece would look very differently without Jinbei in it.

It wouldn’t change much at all without Carrot.

My point has been that I don't think her journey necessarily has to go hand in hand with his defeat. He's gotta go down, clearly. But if her character arc leads her past the need for personal vengeance and to where Pedro wants her to go, as a herald of the dawn supporting the Straw Hats, then she could just as easily trust Neko to take care of Peros and get on to what she ultimately needs to do.
And Oda has apparently set up this Carrot moves on past personal vengecne to be a as Strawhat, representing the Dawn storyline, not by setting her up throughout the arc to explore the relationship between the Minks and the Kozuki, why Wano was closed, what the Dawn actually is, to bond with Luffy... but by continually off panelling her and giving the plotline to other characters like Yamato, the Scabbards and Momo, whom he actually spends time on.

It’s a hard sell

It’s a hard sell.
 
To those who don't think Yamato would join, what is the purpose of her character then? why introduce her so late? why introduce her at all?
Showing how to do Vivre Cards+Ace's Fanservice+Story of discovering her/his will+Have a strong Ally...
And many more resolutions that doesn't make Yamato a Nakama xD
 

Cinera

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That I simply can't buy. Why kill Pedro? Why bring back Perospero over and over? Why leave Carrot unfulfilled when she had a chance to settle the score?
I'm not saying that there's no meaning to any of this, I was saying that the reason Carrot has rarely shown up on panel is due to not being needed or important enough that Oda feels the need to give us status updates on her.


Carrot actually means something to the Straw Hats
I agree with this.

certainly on par with Momo, Kin and Law.
I don't agree with this. The Strawhats are waging a war for Kin and Momonosuke, and both have had meaningful bonding moments with Luffy and other members of the crew.

I don't think Carrot has had bonding moments with Luffy.

As for Law, he's a de facto Strawhat already.
 
Carrot does not compare to Jinbei at all. Jinbei was utilised brilliantly throughout his first three arcs, always at the fore, his relationship with Jinbei a major plot point developed throughout the three arcs prior to his invitation. Oda was making sure to give big double spreads of Luffy thinking about and reacting to Jinbei to set their relationship up



Carrot has nothing like that. The most that can be used is him telling her and the crew (and Brulee) to watch the ship. I don’t think Luffy and Carrot have spoken since. We can cut Yamato slack now because she is still pretty new to the series, and there’s reason to look forward to her, Luffy and Kaido interacting, but in five years Carrot hasn’t even touched on the buildup that Jinbei got.
Each time i read this guy's comment making a comparison between Jinbei and Carrot as characters, its driving me nuts. It's like he's literally taking a dump in Oda's mouth and One Piece overall. Jinbei is such a rich and deeply researched character, amazingly embedded in the lore.
Good thing i ain't a mod. :beckmoji:
 

Cinera

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Showing how to do Vivre Cards+Ace's Fanservice+Story of discovering her/his will+Have a strong Ally...
And many more resolutions that doesn't make Yamato a Nakama xD
Yamato and Ace's backstory served no purpose if Yamato doesn't become nakama.

Oda wasted around half of the momentous chapters 999 and 1000 on Yamato and Ace.
 
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If Yamato, Carrot and Tama joined, that would 3 people with the same vague dream of leaving their home to sail the seas.
With Carrot is enough xDxD
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Yamato and Ace's backstory served no purpose if Yamato doesn't become nakama.

Oda wasted nearly of the momentous chapters 999 and 1000 on Yamato and Ace.
Not really, because if that's the case it would be a Jinbe 2.0
 
With Carrot is enough xDxD
Lol I am in the opposite end of this argument. Yamato to me feels like the obvious next straw hat, Carrot doesn't even get included in cover art or volume covers. Carrot is probably going to be an ally and Tama will stay because Luffy will refuse to bring her, but will promise to come back for her. Or maybe she does stay with Momo to help him become Shogun
 

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Not really, because if that's the case it would be a Jinbe 2.0
Huh? I don't really understand what you're saying here.

My point was that half of the momentous Chapters 999 and 1000 were spent exploring Yamato's relationship with Ace. If Oda did not intend for Yamato to become a Strawhat, there was no need to give her relationship with Ace so much focus, let alone in such momentous chapters.

What was the purpose of spending half of Chapters 999 and 1000 exploring Yamato's relationship with Ace?
 
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