General & Others Pointless plots keep increasing

[Charlotte Sky]

am I the only one that thinks the plot has become extremely random ?

back in the day oda will just use his outdated fourmla in a straightforward manner but in wano it look as if he tries to add random plots to mislead the readers so they don’t get bored of the overuse of the outdated fourmla...hence luring them with cheap unpredictably.

I think this is the case.
Oda is patching his outdated full of holes plot with cheap unpredictably.
I actually don’t even think oda planned any of that shit lol

here some examples:

- sanji ...wasted 20 chapters with the plot of “will sanji go to momo or samurai “...absolutely pointless

- nami 20 chapter build with ulti topped with her last declaration...absolutely pointless

- rooftop fight... what was the purpose of it again ?
It felt like fan service filler.

- Luffy saying I will defeat kaido was very cheap writing only for him to get defeated...

- Luffy falling down to the ocean only for him to come back to solo full health kaido ...in a blink of an eye... pointless unless it’s because of oda and saving princess shit lol

- Kidd revenge and his plot with kaido

- big mom revenge and her plot with Luffy

Thoughts ?
What are other pointless plots I didn’t mention ?

 

[SDfear]

 

[draganax]

dude, onigashima is pure garbage

did you see how queen's neck covers the whole live floor

 

[Monster Luffy]

Pointless threads too.

 

[Finalbeta]

am I the only one that thinks the plot has become extremely random ?

back in the day oda will just use his outdated fourmla in a straightforward manner but in wano it look as if he tries to add random plots to mislead the readers so they don’t get bored of the overuse of the outdated fourmla...hence luring them with cheap unpredictably.

I think this is the case.
Oda is patching his outdated full of holes plot with cheap unpredictably.
I actually don’t even think oda planned any of that shit lol

here some examples:

- sanji ...wasted 20 chapters with the plot of “will sanji go to momo or samurai “...absolutely pointless

- nami 20 chapter build with ulti topped with her last declaration...absolutely pointless

- rooftop fight... what was the purpose of it again ?
It felt like fan service filler.

- Luffy saying I will defeat kaido was very cheap writing only for him to get defeated...

- Luffy falling down to the ocean only for him to come back to solo full health kaido ...in a blink of an eye... pointless unless it’s because of oda and saving princess shit lol

- Kidd revenge and his plot with kaido

- big mom revenge and her plot with Luffy

Thoughts ?
What are other pointless plots I didn’t mention ?

This is not a pointless plot

 

[Herrera95]

What about Oda introducing so many characters that he keeps forgetting about them.

Hawkins showed up what? 3 times at this raid? Apoo 4? CP-0 1 or 2? BM Pirates, Numbers *silent*

Why Momo was reading to Onigashima? Just to get kidnapped? Why Kanjuro didn't revelead himself earlier? Or killed Momo or whatever... He had many opportunities.

So many useless plots I don't even remember them all.

 

[Master OF Haki]

rooftop fight... what was the purpose of it again ?
It felt like fan service filler.

That's exactly what it was!!! The main reason for the rooftop fight was to satisfies Zorotards with it. They've been very demanding of Zoro vs Kaido fight, and since Zorotards are amongst the biggest Oda ass lickers, Oda had no other choice but to give it them, otherwise he would have lost a big chunk of his supporters.

 

[Cinera]

That's exactly what it was!!! The main reason for the rooftop fight was to satisfies Zorotards with it. They've been very demanding of Zoro vs Kaido fight, and since Zorotards are amongst the biggest Oda ass lickers, Oda had no other choice but to give it them, otherwise he would have lost a big chunk of his supporters.

Stay mad bruh.

 

[Zowo]

That's exactly what it was!!! The main reason for the rooftop fight was to satisfies Zorotards with it. They've been very demanding of Zoro vs Kaido fight, and since Zorotards are amongst the biggest Oda ass lickers, Oda had no other choice but to give it them, otherwise he would have lost a big chunk of his supporters.

i can t taste the tears

u buffoons tought zoro ain t gonna face kaido and shit look where u are now crying about loda and zolotards

 

[Rukusho]

am I the only one that thinks the plot has become extremely random ?

back in the day oda will just use his outdated fourmla in a straightforward manner but in wano it look as if he tries to add random plots to mislead the readers so they don’t get bored of the overuse of the outdated fourmla...hence luring them with cheap unpredictably.

I think this is the case.
Oda is patching his outdated full of holes plot with cheap unpredictably.
I actually don’t even think oda planned any of that shit lol

here some examples:

- sanji ...wasted 20 chapters with the plot of “will sanji go to momo or samurai “...absolutely pointless

- nami 20 chapter build with ulti topped with her last declaration...absolutely pointless

- rooftop fight... what was the purpose of it again ?
It felt like fan service filler.

- Luffy saying I will defeat kaido was very cheap writing only for him to get defeated...

- Luffy falling down to the ocean only for him to come back to solo full health kaido ...in a blink of an eye... pointless unless it’s because of oda and saving princess shit lol

- Kidd revenge and his plot with kaido

- big mom revenge and her plot with Luffy

Thoughts ?
What are other pointless plots I didn’t mention ?

There's answers for some points you mentioned but at the same time you have legit concerns.

Also it seems like Luffy's character has become stagnant, he didn't learn pre-ts with Kuma soloing the crew , or him being incapable of saving Ace and actually being the reason Ace died.

No idea what Oda is doing with Luffy at least Goku learned some things (not dbs) but Luffy isn't learning anything same idiot from day1

 

[nik87]

That's exactly what it was!!! The main reason for the rooftop fight was to satisfies Zorotards with it. They've been very demanding of Zoro vs Kaido fight, and since Zorotards are amongst the biggest Oda ass lickers, Oda had no other choice but to give it them, otherwise he would have lost a big chunk of his supporters.

Master of Hakek strikes again!

 

[ENTER D. LURKER]

There's answers for some points you mentioned but at the same time you have legit concerns.

Also it seems like Luffy's character has become stagnant, he didn't learn pre-ts with Kuma soloing the crew , or him being incapable of saving Ace and actually being the reason Ace died.

No idea what Oda is doing with Luffy at least Goku learned some things (not dbs) but Luffy isn't learning anything same idiot from day1

Thats taking the wrong lesson from those situations as Luffy learned by the end of that arc was to not be discouraged even when faced with actual loss and failure. Which was the main takeaway of that whole arc, to never doubt and in those cases he and most of the people around him were nearly powerless while this time around Luffy has a clearer shot at winning and theres no better time than now given the new onigashima project. Plus its not like he didn't learn to not bite more than he can chew when it came to things like dressrosa and WCI.

 

[Marimo_420]

We somehow went from "Zoro won't ever see Kaido this arc, much less fight him" to "Zoro only fought Kaido to appease Zoro tards"



And guess what? You're goddam right.

Oda himself is the biggest Zoro wanker in exsistance, so he wrote all that to please himself.

 

[Saikō No Kenshi]

am I the only one that thinks the plot has become extremely random ?

back in the day oda will just use his outdated fourmla in a straightforward manner but in wano it look as if he tries to add random plots to mislead the readers so they don’t get bored of the overuse of the outdated fourmla...hence luring them with cheap unpredictably.

I think this is the case.
Oda is patching his outdated full of holes plot with cheap unpredictably.
I actually don’t even think oda planned any of that shit lol

here some examples:

- sanji ...wasted 20 chapters with the plot of “will sanji go to momo or samurai “...absolutely pointless

- nami 20 chapter build with ulti topped with her last declaration...absolutely pointless

- rooftop fight... what was the purpose of it again ?
It felt like fan service filler.

- Luffy saying I will defeat kaido was very cheap writing only for him to get defeated...

- Luffy falling down to the ocean only for him to come back to solo full health kaido ...in a blink of an eye... pointless unless it’s because of oda and saving princess shit lol

- Kidd revenge and his plot with kaido

- big mom revenge and her plot with Luffy

Thoughts ?
What are other pointless plots I didn’t mention ?

Please tell me your version, how would you change all the things you pointed out, to make the story more satisfying for you.

I'm curious, thanks in advance.

 

[Finalbeta]

That's exactly what it was!!! The main reason for the rooftop fight was to satisfies Zorotards with it. They've been very demanding of Zoro vs Kaido fight, and since Zorotards are amongst the biggest Oda ass lickers, Oda had no other choice but to give it them, otherwise he would have lost a big chunk of his supporters.

 

[Rukusho]

Thats taking the wrong lesson from those situations as Luffy learned by the end of that arc was to not be discouraged even when faced with actual loss and failure. Which was the main takeaway of that whole arc, to never doubt and in those cases he and most of the people around him were nearly powerless while this time around Luffy has a clearer shot at winning and theres no better time than now given the new onigashima project. Plus its not like he didn't learn to not bite more than he can chew when it came to things like dressrosa and WCI.

So when does he learn ?

He's always saved by plot so there's no growth for the character, he's been the same Luffy coming from Foosha Village.

Kaido literally clapped him 3 times. ** and he still thinks he can win, why ?? Cause of plot **

I can give you examples of Zoro, Nami, Usopp, & Sanji growing character wise but Luffy ? he's been the same moron jeopardizing his crew this is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of his.

 

[WesMidnight]

Oda is not good at plotting threads at the same time, he is great at emotional payoffs, cool moments etc. but he cannot help but stall certain characters awkwardly to fit in with specific timelines.

Sanji spending 30 minutes running around pointlessly, despite being a CoO expert and sensing prostitutes from miles away doesn't make sense. But then again Luffy running slowly up the levels of the skull for chapters on end while everyone else can teleport ahead of him to the top of the roof, or elsewhere as Kaido has done now.

The single worst moment like that has to be Yamato went up looking for Kaido just to give Kin a moment only to come right back down because she mistimed it. If Yamato had been there, Kiku and Kinemon would still be fine, it is just ridiculous.

This aspect is the same as the nonsense that went on in Dressrosa with that bull Ucy.

Kidd and Killer didn't properly prepare for battle with Kaido, so they can complain all they want, should have learnt ryuo after not being able to damage him in their first fight.

 

[ENTER D. LURKER]

So when does he learn ?

He's always saved by plot so there's no growth for the character, he's been the same Luffy coming from Foosha Village.

Kaido literally clapped him 3 times. ** and he still thinks he can win, why ?? Cause of plot **

I can give you examples of Zoro, Nami, Usopp, & Sanji growing character wise but Luffy ? he's been the same moron jeopardizing his crew this is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of his.

Oda doesn't hide that Luffy has plot armor with the concept of fate. In fact every character in fiction does as they are subservient to the creators will and they need it to get the point across in some form or fashion. Its just that when it comes to Luffys characterization there's nothing inherently wrong with it. He takes risk because he can handle on his own pretty fine and doesn't care for the repercussions because to him that's what its like living the life as a pirate and his crew slowly feels the same overtime just express it in different ways. And there was never really a case where he jeopardize anything especially when it comes to post TS Luffy. All those claps from Koi D. O finally paid off as he has a grasp on the CoC attacks which damages the fish all because he was a mad lad willing to take the hits and bounce back. This will make him implement it in a new gear form as he knows he is the only on who can stand against him with onigashima heading its way to the capital. Its a point of no return situation and Luffy is betting it all cause he lives the high life and the alliance themselves are ready to throw down their life anyway than run away (even though they cant do that anyway). Yeah the plot rewards him, but it rewards him due to his nature and resolve.

 

[rerere]

That's exactly what it was!!! The main reason for the rooftop fight was to satisfies Zorotards with it. They've been very demanding of Zoro vs Kaido fight, and since Zorotards are amongst the biggest Oda ass lickers, Oda had no other choice but to give it them, otherwise he would have lost a big chunk of his supporters.

Rooftop was made for another reason

 

[Hanners220]

I agree with a lot of your points. Post timeskip Oda definitely struggles with pacing. I guess Pre timeskip Oda's editors reigned him in?

There was no point in having Sanji run around for 20 chapters. We are closer to the end of the series than the beginning. So even though Nami and Usopp are not main combatants, how are they going to contribute to any fights?

I 100% enjoyed the roof top fight. I know it was fanservice. As a fan, I enjoyed it all and wanted more.