Character Discussion Yamato is Stronger Than King
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Maybe, but Kaido has shown to be willing to even take in pirates from the Worst Generation. He even said that he would welcome anyone into his crew from the alliance if they surrender. he also didn't bother to be wary or do a background check on Drake who was a undercover spy for the marines.
yes no one in their right mind would, but this is Kaido we are talking here.
yes no one in their right mind would, but this is Kaido we are talking here.
If Yamato was stronger than King, Kaido would have ordered the Calamities to look for him, not the Flying 6.
Black Maria saying it could be "challlenging" indicates that Yamato is most likely above them, individually, but not enough that they shouldn't be able to restrain her.
Ulti got hit because she was distracted. We saw against the gust sword from Nami that Ulti is actually quite fucking fast and can dodge attacks if she knows they are coming. Using that to say "Yamato one shots Flying 6" is, to me, quite erroneous.
There's also the consideration that Oda does a shitty job at powerscaling characters. Sometimes he uses bounties as an indication of strenght, sometimes he doesn't. Most of the times the bounties should indicate power ranks only inside the respective organizations (meaning Katakuri's 1B bounty doesn't mean he's below Queen's 1.3B, but Queen's 1.3B indicates he's above Jack's 1B. Know what I mean?). She once clashed equally against Ace and Ace was, at the time of his execution, a 550M bounty pirate. We don't actually know how much stronger Yamato got at this period of time. So I won't go saying things like "Yamato bodies all Beast Pirates aside from Kaido".
I currently have her around Jack's level. Now, if one thinks this is a good or a bad thing, well....you do you. I, at least, think that's a very good thing because I think Jack is hype. Even Kaido acknowledges Jack and protected him from the Sulong Dukes. No "jack, you are useless". Just a genuine sense of care.
Black Maria saying it could be "challlenging" indicates that Yamato is most likely above them, individually, but not enough that they shouldn't be able to restrain her.
Ulti got hit because she was distracted. We saw against the gust sword from Nami that Ulti is actually quite fucking fast and can dodge attacks if she knows they are coming. Using that to say "Yamato one shots Flying 6" is, to me, quite erroneous.
There's also the consideration that Oda does a shitty job at powerscaling characters. Sometimes he uses bounties as an indication of strenght, sometimes he doesn't. Most of the times the bounties should indicate power ranks only inside the respective organizations (meaning Katakuri's 1B bounty doesn't mean he's below Queen's 1.3B, but Queen's 1.3B indicates he's above Jack's 1B. Know what I mean?). She once clashed equally against Ace and Ace was, at the time of his execution, a 550M bounty pirate. We don't actually know how much stronger Yamato got at this period of time. So I won't go saying things like "Yamato bodies all Beast Pirates aside from Kaido".
I currently have her around Jack's level. Now, if one thinks this is a good or a bad thing, well....you do you. I, at least, think that's a very good thing because I think Jack is hype. Even Kaido acknowledges Jack and protected him from the Sulong Dukes. No "jack, you are useless". Just a genuine sense of care.
Certainly, Yamato is more important to the Onigashima/Wano arcthan Brook is.
That doesn’t make her more important than Brook. Only time will be able to answer that. Brook had his own arc where he was the focus, had multiple chapters named after him in it, and has been around a lot longer.
Brook has longevity, if Yamato joins the Strawhats and continues to have the same level of focus throughout the series, she’ll be more important than Brook is. As things stand, she isn’t.
That doesn’t make her more important than Brook. Only time will be able to answer that. Brook had his own arc where he was the focus, had multiple chapters named after him in it, and has been around a lot longer.
Brook has longevity, if Yamato joins the Strawhats and continues to have the same level of focus throughout the series, she’ll be more important than Brook is. As things stand, she isn’t.
And they were going to be rewarded with a fight with a Calamity. Anyone who brought her in apparently deserved a Calamity fight. Sasaki looked real scared when she bared her teeth at him and he’s one of the same dudes who wanted to fight a Calamity. All that doesn’t suggest Yamato > King but for someone eager to fight at least Jack he didn’t look thrilled when Yamato started getting serious.
Hierarchy in the Beast Pirates is based on strength, not trust. And the Tobi Roppo were also former pirate captains, yet Kaido will allow them to challenge a Calamity if they bring Yamato back.
If Kaido really was the wary type, then he wouldn't even give Hawkins a Headliner Rank and Drake even a Tobi Roppo Rank. Either kaido trusts them, or he knows that even of they rebel Kaido knows he's strong enough to clobber them all.
If Kaido really was the wary type, then he wouldn't even give Hawkins a Headliner Rank and Drake even a Tobi Roppo Rank. Either kaido trusts them, or he knows that even of they rebel Kaido knows he's strong enough to clobber them all.
Hey i'm only saying that Yamato is weaker than King, your driving this conversation off topic.
Hawkins may be stronger than P1 and Ulti, but that doesn't even matter, i don't see Hawkins actively trying to become a Tobi Roppo, its probably not in his interests.
And i already consider Yamato to be above the Tobi Roppo, so i don't even know what you are disagreeing with me here.
Hawkins may be stronger than P1 and Ulti, but that doesn't even matter, i don't see Hawkins actively trying to become a Tobi Roppo, its probably not in his interests.
And i already consider Yamato to be above the Tobi Roppo, so i don't even know what you are disagreeing with me here.
I was disagreeing that Kaido’s crew was perfectly ranked according to Hierarchy right now and that because of that Yamato isn’t automatically below King for not being his right hand.
My best argument for her being above King or his near equal is Sanji. We saw base Yamato and Ulti & we saw RS Sanji (with no DJ) and Page 1. Yes Ulti got caught blindsided and Page 1 saw it coming but at worst that puts her and Sanji looking comprable.
If Sanji is beating Queen he’s likely pretty close to King if not stronger. But even if we want to be safe and say that he’s just in between them then that’s Yamato’s likely floor. I’m not trying to convince you Yamato > King. Just that at worst it’s got to be very close.
My best argument for her being above King or his near equal is Sanji. We saw base Yamato and Ulti & we saw RS Sanji (with no DJ) and Page 1. Yes Ulti got caught blindsided and Page 1 saw it coming but at worst that puts her and Sanji looking comprable.
If Sanji is beating Queen he’s likely pretty close to King if not stronger. But even if we want to be safe and say that he’s just in between them then that’s Yamato’s likely floor. I’m not trying to convince you Yamato > King. Just that at worst it’s got to be very close.
- Yamato wore cuffs that prevented her from transforming.
- The Tobi Roppo were clearly underestimating her.
- Sasaki was sweating and shocked by her first attack.
- Sasaki looked terrified when she bared her teeth at him.
- Sasaki was sweating and shocked when she oneshot a Number
- Kaido himself may have underestimated her.
Ulti doesn't have the feats to suggest she can dodge a Thunder Bagua when base Luffy blitzed her:
See above re: underestimation.
A heavily nerfed Yamato was Ace's equal. Yamato had Ace level potential and has had 2 years to grow stronger since her battle with Ace.
