if it’s a hallucination, why both manga & anime shows Monet coughs up blood? If the stab is shallow because of the hallucinations, Monet shouldn’t be shown coughing out blood & seemingly passed out
Caesar definitely made contact, and as we've seen, any impact on a heart is enough to cause the victim to cough blood and potentially pass out. What I'm saying is that the anime showed the shrapnel embedded deep into the heart, whereas the manga only shows the initial contact which can be interpreted as a graze. The manga doesn't need to claim anything about Caesar hallucinating, but the anime does, which would potentially be a very simple and quick scene.
Hancock's base outfit is definitely red, but she wears purples often enough that I could justify her being violet or lavender. Still, I don't see her leaving the Kuja Pirates to become a subordinate for another crew, I more envision the Kuja being an allied crew like the Heart Pirates.
I know that Brook is associated with both Black and White, but nothing is written in stone. For example, before volume 99 Franky was "the father" of the Strawhat family. With Jinbe's entry he was moved to "pervy old hag" role and Jinbe credited as father. So Oda can choose to associated Black or White with another strawhat and change Brook association.
That's a fair point. Oda has been known to change these things on a whim, which actually does factor into an argument I made: the colors can't take precedent over the narrative. The animal resemblances were changed post-timeskip in a collaboration with a figurine company, and as you said, the family relationships were changed for the sake of a gag; the colors that each character wears changes almost every arc, so none of them can be said to be absolutely set in stone. Brook's color may actually be black and white goes to Vivi, as you suggested. Maybe Carrot will take white from Brook.
The thing about this train of thought is that it introduces far too many variables that we can't account for, so while it's a perfectly valid criticism of the theory, it can't in and of itself be the framework of a theory like this. To make assumptions about the future, we have to believe that the facts as they've been presented in the past are accurate.
Personally I'm not convinced that the future Mugiwaras will be associated to "obscure" colours such as vermillion, Saffron or others. I Think that Oda will go with "simple" colour such as Black or White, Gray, Magenta or Violet.
I don't think it's fair to call vermilion an obscure color, at least not in this context. Remember, Oda is Japanese, and in Japan, shuiro isn't that odd of a color. I mentioned in response to someone else that Japanese and Chinese myth have Suzaku, the Vermilion Bird, as one what is effectively their constellations. Vermilion is definitely a known color in Japan, and almost definitely more so than ocher. Therefore, while we don't typically use vermilion or chartreuse in our day-to-day lives in the west, shuiro and wakakusairo are likely much more common terms.
That's partially why I chose to include the kanji for each color in this theory: I thought it was important that I demonstrate how this theory would work from a Japanese perspective as best I could, as we can't assume that the Japanese view color exactly the same as Westerners. Even if Oda doesn't use chartreuse, he can use matchairo, a shade of green that is plenty well known and popular in Japan. If he doesn't use lavender, he can use fujiiro, as wisteria is a much better-known flower in Japan. There are so many possibilities that he could go with, I just chose to specifically say "vermilion," "chartreuse," and "violet/lavender" because those are the color terms in English that most concisely convey the ideas I wanted to get across.
That's a fair point. Oda has been known to change these things on a whim, which actually does factor into an argument I made: the colors can't take precedent over the narrative. The animal resemblances were changed post-timeskip in a collaboration with a figurine company, and as you said, the family relationships were changed for the sake of a gag; the colors that each character wears changes almost every arc, so none of them can be said to be absolutely set in stone.
Sort of; Oda hasn't explicitly said in an SBS that he's changed it, but on the cover page for chapter 651, Oda teamed up with Toshio Asakuma, a sculptor that specializes in animal figurines as near as I can find, to design animals that resemble the Straw Hats.
Because this set retained Luffy's monkey and Nami's cat from the original SBS where Oda addressed the idea, a lot of fans have taken this to mean that some of the animal resemblances had been replaced. Specifically, Zoro's shark seems to have been replaced with a tiger, Usopp's armadillo with a chameleon, Sanji's duck with a goat, Chopper's reindeer with a red panda, Robin's crane with a falcon, Franky's bull with a rhino, and Brook's horse with a giraffe.
Because this was a crossover with an artist, it's difficult to say whether there was some conversation behind the scenes that led to these changes such as it being difficult to depict a shark with swords in a figurine, or whether Oda specifically decided that his original choices were out of date. Personally, I think that rather than replacing the original animals, new ones have just been added. Jinbe in that case can be seen as resembling both a whale shark and a bear just as Zoro resembles both a shark and a tiger.
Caesar definitely made contact, and as we've seen, any impact on a heart is enough to cause the victim to cough blood and potentially pass out. What I'm saying is that the anime showed the shrapnel embedded deep into the heart, whereas the manga only shows the initial contact which can be interpreted as a graze. The manga doesn't need to claim anything about Caesar hallucinating, but the anime does, which would potentially be a very simple and quick scene.
Hancock's base outfit is definitely red, but she wears purples often enough that I could justify her being violet or lavender. Still, I don't see her leaving the Kuja Pirates to become a subordinate for another crew, I more envision the Kuja being an allied crew like the Heart Pirates.
That's a fair point. Oda has been known to change these things on a whim, which actually does factor into an argument I made: the colors can't take precedent over the narrative. The animal resemblances were changed post-timeskip in a collaboration with a figurine company, and as you said, the family relationships were changed for the sake of a gag; the colors that each character wears changes almost every arc, so none of them can be said to be absolutely set in stone. Brook's color may actually be black and white goes to Vivi, as you suggested. Maybe Carrot will take white from Brook.
The thing about this train of thought is that it introduces far too many variables that we can't account for, so while it's a perfectly valid criticism of the theory, it can't in and of itself be the framework of a theory like this. To make assumptions about the future, we have to believe that the facts as they've been presented in the past are accurate.
I don't think it's fair to call vermilion an obscure color, at least not in this context. Remember, Oda is Japanese, and in Japan, shuiro isn't that odd of a color. I mentioned in response to someone else that Japanese and Chinese myth have Suzaku, the Vermilion Bird, as one what is effectively their constellations. Vermilion is definitely a known color in Japan, and almost definitely more so than ocher. Therefore, while we don't typically use vermilion or chartreuse in our day-to-day lives in the west, shuiro and wakakusairo are likely much more common terms.
That's partially why I chose to include the kanji for each color in this theory: I thought it was important that I demonstrate how this theory would work from a Japanese perspective as best I could, as we can't assume that the Japanese view color exactly the same as Westerners. Even if Oda doesn't use chartreuse, he can use matchairo, a shade of green that is plenty well known and popular in Japan. If he doesn't use lavender, he can use fujiiro, as wisteria is a much better-known flower in Japan. There are so many possibilities that he could go with, I just chose to specifically say "vermilion," "chartreuse," and "violet/lavender" because those are the color terms in English that most concisely convey the ideas I wanted to get across.
I was thinking the same way like you do. In case of common colors like brown (茶色) Oda decided to use Ochre for Jinbe. That’s why I came to the conclusion about the deeper/lighter colour theory. And I honestly can’t stop thinking what is Monet’s colour resemblance if she joins, because Monet’s colour is too green for Chartreuse, where chartreuse is more yellow than green. Maybe Lime green or Spring green? Because in SBS instead of using Daidaiiro which is common orange, Oda just used “Orenji” (オレンジ) for Nami, and instead of Momoiro Oda used “Pinku” (ピンク) for Chopper. If Monet indeed uses “Raimu” (ライム) or “Spring” (若色), all left is Orange & Purple. If Yamato truly joins, her colour is in between deep orange or deep purple. Maybe Yamato can use “Kaki-iro” (Persimmon) or simply “Ame-iro” (Candy) for Orange shade, but it’s a bit coincidental if Yamato uses “Komurasaki” if her colour is purple. Maybe “Ebi-iro” (Grape)?
Sort of; Oda hasn't explicitly said in an SBS that he's changed it, but on the cover page for chapter 651, Oda teamed up with Toshio Asakuma, a sculptor that specializes in animal figurines as near as I can find, to design animals that resemble the Straw Hats.
Because this set retained Luffy's monkey and Nami's cat from the original SBS where Oda addressed the idea, a lot of fans have taken this to mean that some of the animal resemblances had been replaced. Specifically, Zoro's shark seems to have been replaced with a tiger, Usopp's armadillo with a chameleon, Sanji's duck with a goat, Chopper's reindeer with a red panda, Robin's crane with a falcon, Franky's bull with a rhino, and Brook's horse with a giraffe.
Because this was a crossover with an artist, it's difficult to say whether there was some conversation behind the scenes that led to these changes such as it being difficult to depict a shark with swords in a figurine, or whether Oda specifically decided that his original choices were out of date. Personally, I think that rather than replacing the original animals, new ones have just been added. Jinbe in that case can be seen as resembling both a whale shark and a bear just as Zoro resembles both a shark and a tiger.
I did not know about the early sbs. With a shark with 3 sword on cover, I think the original animals still considered.
But the new animal resemblance really make you think that they're close to the chinese year animal and the SHs design really fit to the new animal resemblance
Like:
Robin nose kinda felt like a falcon's beak
Franky nose ~ rhino's nose
Chopper nose ~ red panda's nose
Sanji eyebrow ~ goat's horn
And so on
Sort of; Oda hasn't explicitly said in an SBS that he's changed it, but on the cover page for chapter 651, Oda teamed up with Toshio Asakuma, a sculptor that specializes in animal figurines as near as I can find, to design animals that resemble the Straw Hats.
Because this set retained Luffy's monkey and Nami's cat from the original SBS where Oda addressed the idea, a lot of fans have taken this to mean that some of the animal resemblances had been replaced. Specifically, Zoro's shark seems to have been replaced with a tiger, Usopp's armadillo with a chameleon, Sanji's duck with a goat, Chopper's reindeer with a red panda, Robin's crane with a falcon, Franky's bull with a rhino, and Brook's horse with a giraffe.
Because this was a crossover with an artist, it's difficult to say whether there was some conversation behind the scenes that led to these changes such as it being difficult to depict a shark with swords in a figurine, or whether Oda specifically decided that his original choices were out of date. Personally, I think that rather than replacing the original animals, new ones have just been added. Jinbe in that case can be seen as resembling both a whale shark and a bear just as Zoro resembles both a shark and a tiger.
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Been reading it since the one-shot first came out! It's one of my favorites right now, certain...specific chapters notwithstanding...
Haven't quite decided who my favorite girl is yet, but it'd be a fool's errand anyway with 87 more still on the way.
Betcha girlfriend #44's gonna be a ghost girl. Ah, come to think of it, they'll probably make a joke about Perona...that'd be fun!
And for Monet’s survival theory, I was thinking about her “death & resurrection” with her having amnesia is kind of redemption arc for her, like how Bellamy had his redemption arc. Or maybe we can pick in between suggestions, since you suggest that Monet is still completely alive & I suggest Monet is dead & being resurrected; how about if Monet fell into comatose (or better; fainting, though I think comatose is more like it) state after being stabbed? Vegapunk saved her life, but for the sake of her memory. We haven’t had any crew member with amnesia before, so having amnesia and being a completely new identity will be her redemption.
And to think of it, girls who are introduced in One Piece is somehow related with Disney Princesses. Oda’s sudden mentioning of how Monet & Sugar are sisters, kinda reminds me of Elsa & Anna, with Monet as Elsa definitely. Elsa embracing her powers & identity after being exposed may give some idea to Oda how to bring Monet back to storyline.
And for Monet’s survival theory, I was thinking about her “death & resurrection” with her having amnesia is kind of redemption arc for her, like how Bellamy had his redemption arc. Or maybe we can pick in between suggestions, since you suggest that Monet is still completely alive & I suggest Monet is dead & being resurrected; how about if Monet fell into comatose (or better; fainting, though I think comatose is more like it) state after being stabbed? Vegapunk saved her life, but for the sake of her memory. We haven’t had any crew member with amnesia before, so having amnesia and being a completely new identity will be her redemption.
And to think of it, girls who are introduced in One Piece is somehow related with Disney Princesses. Oda’s sudden mentioning of how Monet & Sugar are sisters, kinda reminds me of Elsa & Anna, with Monet as Elsa definitely. Elsa embracing her powers & identity after being exposed may give some idea to Oda how to bring Monet back to storyline.
I think for me, the problem with amnesia is that it stifles the idea of redemption. If Monet doesn't have her memory, it makes it more difficult for us to understand why she acted the way she did and how she feels about it. Without an understanding of what she did or why, Monet wouldn't be able to either justify or reconcile with her past, making moving forward and thus redeeming herself impossible.
Of course, that could be saved for when she gets her memory back, but I'd rather just get right into it than put it off. There's only so much time left in the story, and having her meander as a different person only to learn who she really is and be confronted with that could take too long and feel contrived.
If Monet is meant to be an Elsa-type character, I think having her deliberately ignore her own actions would be much more compelling than having her forget them.
I think for me, the problem with amnesia is that it stifles the idea of redemption. If Monet doesn't have her memory, it makes it more difficult for us to understand why she acted the way she did and how she feels about it. Without an understanding of what she did or why, Monet wouldn't be able to either justify or reconcile with her past, making moving forward and thus redeeming herself impossible.
Of course, that could be saved for when she gets her memory back, but I'd rather just get right into it than put it off. There's only so much time left in the story, and having her meander as a different person only to learn who she really is and be confronted with that could take too long and feel contrived.
If Monet is meant to be an Elsa-type character, I think having her deliberately ignore her own actions would be much more compelling than having her forget them.
I see. So still maybe, she just fell into vegetative state after Caesar stabbed her, saved by Vegapunk, start to redeem herself with the “2nd chance” she gets. It would connect so much with her mysterious act, where she gave Chopper a note and let Chopper go instead of capturing him. But some fans think that it’s Law who gave Chopper the note.
For the Elsa one it’s just that we know that Oda takes so many references from Disney movies, hence One Piece name. Like Yamato currently, is so much like Rapunzel; being locked in a tower for 20 years (Rapunzel 18 years) and wants to see the outer world.
I just want to give a bit input on the possibility of Yamato joining. As a pattern believer, I think she is the only woman in Wano that suits to the nakama pattern. Especially the fact that every woman recruit have a role to make sure won't get lost in their journey (Nami as Navigator, without Robin noone could reads road poneglyph). Since Yamato holds Oden's journal, I guess she could provide the SH some valuable information on where they should go and how to get there, and also she could know the whereabout of the last road poneglyph.
I made a thread of this in the discussion section actually. Here is the link https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/just-another-yamato4nakama-theory.14050/
Very impressive effort and detail with this @Tokiro Oumaga !
I'm not sure if you've mentioned this elsewhere and I missed it, but it seems that the character's official colours were used for the popularity poll results.
And when I looked at your revised RYB, this made a lot of sense.
You also considered Carrot in the position the light green (among others) in your original post so this won't come as any surprise to you.
But what I also noticed when looking at Carrot is that right next to her both Ace and Sabo coincidentally have the colours that match with the two missing on the chart. Ace being vermillion and Sabo the indigo.
As I said, grey is unlikely on the basis that it could interfere with the Straw Hat 13, but it does have a couple of notable candidates, so I wouldn't be comfortable leaving it out entirely.
Similar to Tashigi, Smoker gained a strong following after Scaling the Red Line, though unlike her, fans still seem to believe that he has a solid chance (as evidenced in Mr. Morj's videos on the topic).
My instinct for Smoker is to count him as white due to his white hair, coat and epithet of White Hunter, but since Brook has taken white, that isn't an option. Fortunately, his hair can also easily be interpreted as grey and as evidenced by Black Leg Sanji, color-based epithets are irrelevant to theme. The green fur trim on his coats could also qualify him for the green slot, likely listed as emerald or perhaps teal, but I think with his smoke Logia he fits ashen grey much better. If he becomes an honorary Straw Hat rather than a proper one, though, I suppose he could be silver to compliment Vivi's gold, but I think that's a step too far removed from the logic of why he'd be grey in the first place.
Another less popular but surprisingly consistent candidate that I've seen thrown around is Caribou.
Aside from his terrifying smile and long face, Caribou's overly-long sleeved shirt is easily the most recognizable part of his design, so I think it's fair to consider its brownish-grey as his main thematic color. Brown could also be a close contender what with his ability to turn into mud matching his skin tone, but as I've learned my lesson with Jinbe, I won't be basing his color on that. His shirt is also technically a green hue, so we could take that into consideration when looking at the green lining of his original cape, the green pajamas he wears when taken in by Gaburu's grandmother, and Gaburu's green hat that he wears when assuming the name to fight Scotch. However, since most of that green is more emblematic of Gaburu himself and it's very difficult to tell at a glance that Caribou's shirt is green at all, I'm inclined to stick with grey and keep brown as a near second.
Browns
Like grey, there are two characters that I've found that work particularly well for brown: Marguerite, an old favorite of mine, and Kuma, who was largely a popular candidate due to his final act of free will being protecting the Thousand Sunny and his Devil Fruit fitting the 325 Theory
Marguerite's brown fur bikini and the brown spots and bear ears on Kuma's hat make both of them a perfect fit for the brown slot if there is one in lieu of another orange. Unfortunately, the reasons I have my doubts about them are less about their colors and more about their place in the story.
Marguerite, while a capable tailor who had extremely positive interactions with Luffy, just didn't get enough focus past Amazon Lily for me to continue to push for her, as badly as I would like to. Kuma, likewise, had fascinating interactions with the crew before becoming completely mechanized but unfortunately has now been put in a position that would make it extremely difficult to meet up with the crew, that being a robotic slave to the World Nobles. Circumstances could certainly lead to his escape, but I don't personally imagine he'd be reclaimed until pretty close to the final battle of the series if at all.
Furthermore, as revealed in the SBS for volume 99, Jinbe's associated animal is, bafflingly enough, a bear (I guess because Zoro's is a shark?). While Jinbe certainly demonstrates that name and visual theme aren't necessarily indicative of associated animals, I could not under any circumstance see Kuma's animal being anything other than a bear. Perhaps if Oda had stated a particular bear I'd be singing a different tune, but just saying a generic bear feels like the nail in the coffin to me.
Oranges
Though a controversial pick, Carrot is easily the strongest current candidate for recruitment on the basis that she has effectively filled the role of a crewmate for the last two arcs, sailing with the crew, acting as the Sunny's lookout, inheriting the will of her mentor Pedro, etc. With that in mind, I can't think of any better candidate for the secondary orange slot than Carrot.
Five of her seven outfits have used at least a little orange, but her first two, her introductory outfit and the one she wore when boarding the Sunny, feature it the most prominently. As these are the most notable outfits she wears as established by our earlier criteria, her theme color is almost definitely a shade of orange.
Just in case, though, it should be noted that Carrot wears light green in just as many outfits, more if you count her backpack in outfit 2 as a shade of green. Still, as established by Jinbe, the most consistent outfit color is not indicative of the theme color. Furthermore, she's named after a food that's heavily associated with the color orange, it would only be appropriate for that to be her theme color. Since carrots tend to be a redder orange than oranges, I think it would make enough sense for Oda to give her vermilion, though I'm sure he could come up with another potentially more appropriate shade.
Still, her abundance of green does mean that it's a possibility, and if it's possible for Carrot to be green, it's possible for someone else to be orange. Back before Carrot was introduced and we learned just how significant Momo is, the popular theory du jour was that Kinemon would join the crew to complete the Swordsman Trio with Zoro and Brook.
With his reddish-orange kimono likely based on his affinity for fire, Kinemon is a perfect fit for the vermilion slot. The main issue for me is his status as one of the Nine Red Scabbards, which tells me that he'll remain in Wano with his wife after the fight with Kaido is done...assuming of course that he survives, despite the myriad of death flags that he's been raising the entire battle. I've never been much in support of Kinemon joining the crew, and his character arc since we learned who he really is seems to have diminished the support he used to receive.
If our orange is to be on the yellower side, Oda could go with amber for the orange-skinned Surume, the kraken the crew met near Fishman Island.
Like Laboon, Surume would fill the role of the crew's pet, but unlike Laboon, Surume has already filled this role for a short while. When the crew first ran into Surume, Luffy declared that he wanted to make it their pet and proceeded to tame it. It seems odd that Luffy wouldn't retain the pet that he wanted considering how often Luffy gets what he wants. That said, considering that Surume has family in the North Pole that it ostensibly wants to protect, Luffy probably considered he'd be happier back home. It wasn't really dwelled on, and that's always bothered me, so I think it's safe to say that either Surume will come back to officially take the role of pet or he'll come back as an unaffiliated ally and leave the pet role to Laboon.
I don't personally see Surume taking the amber slot, but it would make an interesting case for the color pattern to overlap with the Straw Hat 13; if a pet isn't counted among the thirteen people in the crew but still has a theme color, that would free up space for a fourteenth color without having to worry about the numbers. This could be the way that Smoker or Caribou or another grey is able to sneak in, though like I said, I don't believe this will be the case.
Purples
We've got a lot of contenders for purple across a few different shades.
Given that we're in Wano right now, it seems quite likely that one of our upcoming recruits will be someone introduced in this arc, and interestingly, all of the candidates who best fit that bill could qualify for violet.
First is my personal favorite of the bunch who I've been advocating for quite a bit, Tama.
Though her kimono qualifies her for the green slot, her purple hair takes precedence in my eyes. The only way I could see her being green is if none of the other characters that fit do or if another purple joins. This is definitely possible considering how many more purples we have to cover, but I'm definitely leaning towards Tama myself.
If Tama isn't our purple Wano recruit, that honor could go to Momo's sister, Hiyori.
Strictly speaking by my own logic, Hiyori's turquoise hair should be prioritized over everything else and place her in green, but I personally find it to be too blue for that. I could certainly be wrong about that, but I think she works better for purple anyway for one simple reason: her alias of Komurasaki, lit. small purple, which refers to the purple beautyberry. This coupled with the purple flowers in her hair as an oiran and on her more casual kimono implies that she has ties to the color purple, just perhaps more subtly.
Personally, I don't think that Hiyori has been nearly involved enough in the arc to warrant considering her as a possible candidate just yet, and I was perfectly willing to list her as an elimination because of her blue turquoise hair and pink kimono, but the arc isn't over yet and she could easily surprise us, so I wanted to find some way to keep her in for the time being. Still, she hasn't been as active as Tama nor has she garnered the following of our next character: Yamato.
Yamato hasn't gotten a proper fight yet, but being the traitorous AFAB child of Kaido, people have taken a strong shine to him as potentially being the second New World recruit (subverting while also adhering to the MFMM Pattern). Now, originally, I had planned to eliminate him because of his red hakama and horns and his blue-tipped hair, but then I remembered the rope-belt around his waist that he modeled after his hero, Oden. Since it's a symbol of the man he wants to be, it would only be appropriate for it to be the origin of his theme color, a light purple or violet. I still personally have my doubts about Yamato joining the crew considering that he hasn't made any major contributions to the plot yet aside from some exposition, but like with Hiyori, I'm reserving judgment until we see more. I think he's more likely than Hiyori, but Tama is still the one I'm leaning towards from Wano.
Outside of Wano, though, I return to an older candidate: Pudding.
Though most people stopped pushing for her after she deliberately stayed behind in Totto Land, I think there's a good chance she was being held off for after Big Mom's defeat, and her color scheme just might back me up on this. Because of the abundance of pink in her first few outfits, I had originally put her as magenta in the RGB model, but now that that's not an option, we could potentially use the reddish RYB magenta pants from her first appearance if Oda's intention for her is magenta. However, I think that her third outfit, the one she wore when first meeting the Straw Hats, is the one we should focus on.
Her puffy pants in outfit 3 make up the largest proportion of her outfit while introducing a large amount of lavender into her color scheme. Her top in that outfit is a very light shade of magenta, though the shading gives the impression that it could actually be a purplish fuchsia. This also holds true for her chef's uniform in outfit 6 which she wore when officially working with the Straw Hats to help stop Big Mom's rampage, a light magenta with fuchsia shading. With this in mind, Oda could easily refer to Pudding's theme color as lavender, magenta, or fuchsia and all would at least technically work. I personally think that the intention is to give her outfit a purple appearance given how light all of the colors are, so until further notice, I'm leaning towards lavender.
Looking at the redder end of purple, the strongest candidate would have to be Bellamy, whose chances for recruitment I recently posted a theory explaining my thoughts on.
Because of his lighter blue coat pre-timeskip and darker blue vest post-timeskip, I was originally ready to write him off, but then I noticed his arm tattoo. This has been present since his first appearance at Jaya, and now that he's working as a flag dyer in the Village of Dyed Goods, it's the only part of his original design that he's retained. With a purplish red hue, this tattoo could be called burgundy or maroon, but I'd personally prefer to go with magenta. If you feel his tattoos are too red to work as a purple, that's fair, and I even acknowledge that it's more likely he'll be a Fleet Captain than a proper Straw Hat in my previous theory, I just think he's a little too strong of a candidate to write off entirely.
For a more proper magenta, we have two interesting candidates, though they aren't exactly the strongest in this list.
The first is someone I've mentioned only once before, but I just can't get her out of my head: Ginrummy.
Magenta hair, magenta breast-plates, magenta thong (not pictured); she's a perfect fit. The only problem: she's probably dead. Aside from Jack, we haven't seen any of the Gifters that were present when Zunesha destroyed Jack's ship and even Jack himself, a Yonko executive, only survived because he's a Fishman and can't drown. Ginrummy was not given any clear way to have survived, though it is worth noting that we don't know what kind of Gifter she is. It's entirely possible that she had an ability that would allow her to fly, or she happened to end up on top of a convenient piece of driftwood as a surprisingly large number of Devil Fruit users have in the past. Just because we haven't seen her doesn't mean we won't, and Oda has a habit of not killing characters when he has a perfect opportunity to. The main problem is that Oda hasn't taken the opportunity to bring her back even though it would have been so easy to do. Aside from taking the time to establish that there's friction between Ginrummy and Jack, Oda hasn't done anything to develop her character up to this point, so I'm hardpressed to imagine a scenario where she meshes with and joins the crew. It's not impossible, but the further into the Onigashima raid we get, the less likely it seems.
Our second magenta and final purple candidate is an oddity for me: a character we probably haven't even met yet! I tend to shy away from hypothetical characters because they inherently have no evidence pointing directly towards them, but if the crew goes to space as I and many others predict, I don't think anyone would be surprised if the crew were to recruit one of the Space Pirates while they were there.
Both of the two most prominent Space Pirates that we've met, Captain Seamars and the thus far unnamed black-clad executive, have a fair amount of magenta in their outfits, most notably in the hats that they both wear bearing their Jolly Roger. We don't know anything about the Space Pirates yet, so it's impossible to say if either of them would potentially be a good fit for the crew, but it's very easy to imagine a third, less cruel, and more comedic member of their ranks befriending the Straw Hats. While we may not have any evidence for one of them joining, the fact that aliens exist in One Piece at all is enough of a reason to at least suspect it, as nothing would be more unique and unprecedented for the Straw Hats to have than an alien.
Again, of all of these possibilities, Tama is the current leader with how active she's being in the Onigashima raid, Pudding is a close second because of how much she's already contributed, and Yamato is closing in on third since he's shaping up to make major contributions in the near future. That said, I am simply in love with the idea of an alien joining, and I really hope we get to meet the Space Pirates again soon.
Greens
You all knew this was coming. Monet is my number one candidate for green.
Her hair is green, her shirt is green, her feathers are green, and even her favorite food, matcha milk shaved ice, is based on her heavy usage of green; no one is as definitively green as Monet is, and anyone that's even close has a different color that works just as well or better.
Carrot wears a lot of green, but also wears a lot of orange and is named for an orange food. Tama wears green but has purple hair. Hiyori has turquoise hair which honestly looks closer to blue to me but also wears and goes by a name that evokes purple. Smoker and Caribou both wear green but sport grey in much more abundance. If Monet doesn't join, sure, any of them could be green, but if she does join, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that she'll be green.
I think I've made it more than clear enough why I think Monet will be joining in the past, so if you want further details, feel free to follow this link.
Based on the fact that Monet's favorite food is matcha-flavored, it seems likely that Oda would refer to her theme color as matcha, though other light greens like chartreuse or jade would still be perfectly viable.
Final Lineup
Based on the evidence, I think my original theory still holds up fairly well. I still think that Carrot is a near shoo-in just as vermilion instead of veridian, and I have no intention of giving up hope on Monet as chartreuse until such time that I literally have no choice, so the only major change for me aside from the colors being used is Pudding.
I still think that Pudding's chances are quite good, but other more present characters are giving her a run for her money. Tama is the single biggest threat to Kaido's crew and Yamato is betraying Kaido for Luffy's sake, so both seem like really good choices. That said, I just can't ignore Pudding's dynamic with the crew, a much stronger show of character than either Tama or Yamato have demonstrated so far, nor can I ignore how she contributed to their conflict with Big Mom. Tama has recency, Pudding has a stronger dynamic, and both have strong contributions. Beyond that, I think Pudding has the edge for being a more unique character, being the only known Three-Eyes in existence, so while Tama is technically more likely because she's actually present, until further notice I'm going to continue to consider Pudding as my prediction for the purple slot.
But what do the colors really matter anyway? As far as anyone knows, it's just something that Oda started talking about because a fan asked him about it, and it was never really meant to be that important. Well, I think it is meant to be more than just a fun aesthetic for color pages.
Remember how I said in my previous theory that I believe Bellamy will return with a new Straw Hat flag for Luffy? I don't just think it will be the same old Jolly Roger on fancier canvas, I think it will incorporate designs meant to evoke the entire crew!
The red band of the Straw Hat for Luffy, a vermilion carrot for Carrot, an orange pinwheel for Nami, an ocher sun for Jinbe, a yellow slingshot for Usopp, a chartreuse bird for Monet, three green swords for Zoro, a cyan star for Franky, a blue fork and knife for Sanji, a lavender eye for Pudding (or a violet dango skewer for Tama), a purple chrysanthemum for Robin, pink cherry blossoms for Chopper, and a white skull with a black afro for Brook.
Artist's renditions provided by my wife, and shout-out to @Jew D. Boy for suggesting that Bellamy would in some way redesign the Straw Hat Jolly Roger, inspiring me to make this design.
With these symbols, taken from their respective personal Jolly Rogers (or what I expect their Jolly Rogers to look like in some cases), the Straw Hat Jolly Roger forms a beautiful rainbow that makes each member immediately recognizable. This would probably be a momentous color page to represent the true completion of the Straw Hat Crew and to usher in the final confrontation with the World Government, as it mirrors and contrasts their flag that depicts the four seas yoked to the centralized government, while the Straw Hat flag displays their individuality and free choice to rally behind the one man they all believe in.
Let's Review
Though it was a common theory that Jinbe's theme color would be a shade of blue, Oda recently revealed that Jinbe's theme color is actually ocher, a yellow-ish shade of brown, likely based on the dirty blond streaks in his hair, eyebrows, and sideburns. Because of this, older theories for predicting future Straw Hats based on their theme colors had to be reevaluated, as those based on explicit color models like RGB and RYB were no longer valid.
Instead, it now seems likely that the pattern isn't based on existing models, but rather having two of each color. Luffy and Chopper make up the two reds with pink being a light red; Sanji and Franky make up the blues with cyan being a light blue; Usopp and Jinbe make up the two yellows with ocher being "yellow earth color" in Japanese.
This leaves a slot open for a secondary orange (Nami), green (Zoro), and purple (Robin), though there will likely be no secondary slot for Brook's white and black considering he takes up those two colors on his own, though grey is technically possible if there are to be more than the popularly theorized thirteen Straw Hats.
Because pink is already taken, popular and older picks like Momonosuke, Bentham, and Tashigi can likely be eliminated. With Jinbe as the secondary yellow, Caesar is also unlikely to join. Because Brook's primary theme color is white, his reunion with Laboon could technically introduce a specific character for his secondary color of black without violating the Straw Hat 13 theory.
If there were to be a grey character, the most likely options are the grey-haired Smoker, a popular choice, and grey-shirted Caribou, a rogue element currently somewhere behind the scenes in the Wano arc.
For the orange slot, Carrot seems the most likely candidate considering her tenure with the crew and consistent usage of orange in her clothes. She would likely be given vermilion as a darker shade of orange compared to Nami's, though Kinemon could also work for vermilion if he survives Onigashima. Alternatively, Oda could go with brown (either Marguerite or Kuma, though both are unlikely) or amber (Surume, Luffy's temporary pet kraken).
For the purple slot, the violet-haired Tama's contributions to the Onigashima raid and background with Ace make her the current frontrunner, though Yamato's purple rope-belt and upcoming fight with Kaido may give him an edge. Pudding's aid at Whole Cake Island gives her a good chance to take the slot with her lavender pants and chef's uniform, though it remains to be seen if and when she'll return to the story. I personally favor Pudding, but acknowledge her absence is troublesome. Hiyori may also work violet, Bellamy may work for maroon or magenta, and Ginrummy and a yet-to-met Space Pirate may work for magenta, though they all have middling to low chances.
For the green slot, while many characters have worn green such as Carrot and Tama, only Monet fits green exclusively while also having strong evidence to support her inclusion, as covered in past theories.
With this in mind, I expect that Carrot will take vermilion, Monet will take chartreuse, and either Tama or Pudding will take violet or lavender respectively.
If my previous theory that Bellamy will become a Fleet Captain holds true, he will likely arrive to the final battle with a new Straw Hat Jolly Roger redesigned to represent all of the proper Straw Hats with their most prominent symbols and colors forming a rainbow that stands against the World Government's flag that binds the world under its rule.
Final Thoughts
As always, this is solely my subjective interpretation of the evidence, and there are many ways that I could potentially be wrong. New characters could be introduced at any time, there are many characters that I either didn't consider or chose to ignore, characters that I chose to eliminate may still be eligible by criteria I didn't consider, and there are undoubtedly color patterns that may have made more sense either from an artistic or cultural perspective that I just don't have. Still, I don't believe that the theme colors can or should be the end all be all evidence, so I think using past evidence and theories is the best way to determine who should be prioritized while the colors can be used to help organize the possibilities.
If you feel that my logic is inaccurate in some way, please, feel free to politely share your interpretation. Is there someone I didn't mention that you want me to analyze? Is there a color scheme that you think is a better fit for the known colors? Even outside of One Piece, color-coding is one of my favorite topics, so I'm always happy to hear any suggestions you may have, especially when I can combine it with the topic of Straw Hat recruitment.
I actually just read thoroughly about this theory (sorry, it’s just too long for me LOL) and I noticed that you mentioned DevilChild93 in OroJackson. Well, that’s me. I still remember I used Robin’s picture of her using the clothes from Wake Up! opening but I took it from One Piece Unlimited World Red DLC content LOL.
One thing that interests me, is that although the colour scheme maybe just another misc & for aesthetic thing, it is really important for merchandise selling. That’s why Oda must have thought thoroughly about this. Again, Oda’s details are impressive, so although color scheme is just miscellaneous, it is important. For example how the Straw Hats uniforms in Wake Up! Opening are being implemented in game, and they’re using their official color.
so we can conclude that Jinbe’s colour being Ochre is also another thing for aesthetic reason as you mentioned. The thing that bothers me a bit is Robin’s shade of violet/purple, because in Wake Up! Opening, her purple is on darker shade. While in Mugiwara 56 colour spread, her purple is lighter shade.
So for Robin’s colour is a bit ambiguous. Anyway, Jinbe’s official colour was actually already mentioned since he joined the crew back then, through One Piece’s official twitter for Jump Festa 2021.
That’s the image, and although the colour is far more vivid than it should be, we can imagine what their real color scheme is. And seeing this, I still stick to the idea about deeper/lighter shade of colour; especially noted with Jinbe being Ochre is deeper shade of yellow (thank you for mentioning my old username anyway XD). Another thing for IMO is Jinbe’s colour being Ochre is to complement Jinbe’s skin being blue.
for Yamato if she truly joins, I think she would be more of a deep shade of orange, since Yamato’s horns are shade from red to orange. About the thing you mentioned for each Straw Hat’s color scheme is their cloth color after they joined, I guess it’s somehow true but not entirely true. Back then, Nami’s clothes are white T-shirt with blue horizontal stripes, although her skirt is yellow-orange, but still her bright orange hair is what makes her signature colour is orange; especially Post-Timeskip Nami’s hair is longer which makes her orange colour more prominent. Franky’s cyan colour is also because of his hair, as his cloth back then was hawaiian bright red shirt; so I think the signature colour is not just by their clothes but sometimes it works with their most distinguished feature. (Jinbe is the exception, because his distinctive feature doesn’t include ochre & most of his clothings are yellow-orange based)
I will post the picture you used with Yamato in it, and we can talk more in the message.
And I guess with choosing deep orange for Yamato is to contrast her white hair shade to aqua then blue; same case like Jinbe. sorry if I take it without your permission, but it’s just for an example. Hope you don’t mind at all.
I just want to give a bit input on the possibility of Yamato joining. As a pattern believer, I think she is the only woman in Wano that suits to the nakama pattern. Especially the fact that every woman recruit have a role to make sure won't get lost in their journey (Nami as Navigator, without Robin noone could reads road poneglyph). Since Yamato holds Oden's journal, I guess she could provide the SH some valuable information on where they should go and how to get there, and also she could know the whereabout of the last road poneglyph.
Disregarding how Yamato may fit into the MFMM pattern, may I ask what you feel Yamato's actual role in the crew would be? Robin's role as archaeologist inherently ties into her ability to read the Poneglyphs, but there's no role that would fit Yamato already knowing the answers because he read it in a book. Do you feel that Yamato may have a specific skill that will be more fitting to such a role?
That's more or less the reason why I'm not convinced Yamato is going to join despite so consistently talking about his desire to: he just hasn't done anything yet. He's landed a couple of hits on enemies, but that is literally it. We know absolutely nothing about his skills or capabilities beyond having an attack in common with Kaido and being able to use Haki. As soon as we see something more concrete from Yamato, I'm almost definitely going to change my tune, but until then, I honestly don't think he fits ANY patterns at all except for being a born-female individual who is reluctantly under a villain's command. Even then, though, he's never been an enemy, since we met him he was immediately on Luffy's side. That could be meant as a subversion of the pattern, but I don't find it a very compelling argument myself.
I'm not sure if you've mentioned this elsewhere and I missed it, but it seems that the character's official colours were used for the popularity poll results.
I did not know about that! Thank you for pointing it out.
Jinbe's picture does appear to be ocher, and as far as I know, these results came out before the latest Vivre Card databook entry (though I don't know that for sure), suggesting that Oda may have had something to do with the colors chosen. It's not a hard confirmation that Carrot's color is a shade of green, but it most certainly provides strong evidence that it can be!
This seems like a good time to bring up that there's also a Japanese wedding company, Placole, that's currently doing a promotional event wherein various cakes and dresses are being designed based on major One Piece female characters, and wouldn't you know it, Carrot's dress is green.
I didn't mention this in the theory proper on the basis that this is promotional material being handled by an outside source and no one else in the lineup has a green dress, so it's entirely possible that Placole just wanted someone to be wearing green and didn't want Carrot to overlap with Nami, but who's to say?
A lot of people keep telling me that they feel Yamato's color is orange, but I just don't see it. There's a little bit of a light red fade on his horns, but I just can't see it as orange, and even if I could, there's so little of it there that I can't get behind calling it his most striking feature. As I've said before, though, it's really a moot point until Yamato becomes more active in the narrative.
The thing that bothers me a bit is Robin’s shade of violet/purple, because in Wake Up! Opening, her purple is on darker shade. While in Mugiwara 56 colour spread, her purple is lighter shade.
I noticed that too, which is part of the reason why I'm personally leaning a little more towards either lavender or magenta than violet for the secondary purple slot; those two are a lot easier to differentiate, and Robin has used colors that can be described as either purple or violet. I mostly discussed it because there is officially a distinction between the two, and using that distinction does benefit characters that I think are worth talking about such as Tama.
No worries about that, I didn't create the base image, I just added the hexagon in the middle for Brook and put in the little icons from the popularity poll a few years back.
Disregarding how Yamato may fit into the MFMM pattern, may I ask what you feel Yamato's actual role in the crew would be? Robin's role as archaeologist inherently ties into her ability to read the Poneglyphs, but there's no role that would fit Yamato already knowing the answers because he read it in a book. Do you feel that Yamato may have a specific skill that will be more fitting to such a role?
That's more or less the reason why I'm not convinced Yamato is going to join despite so consistently talking about his desire to: he just hasn't done anything yet. He's landed a couple of hits on enemies, but that is literally it. We know absolutely nothing about his skills or capabilities beyond having an attack in common with Kaido and being able to use Haki. As soon as we see something more concrete from Yamato, I'm almost definitely going to change my tune, but until then, I honestly don't think he fits ANY patterns at all except for being a born-female individual who is reluctantly under a villain's command. Even then, though, he's never been an enemy, since we met him he was immediately on Luffy's side. That could be meant as a subversion of the pattern, but I don't find it a very compelling argument myself.
You got Yamato on a bit wrong side. Don’t forget that Luffy entrusts Yamato to protect Momo, is definitely important. Momo is the key of Wano saga, and Luffy entrusts Yamato to protect Momo & Shinobu from being chased & killed by Kaido is one of her biggest, yet underrated feat. Luffy won’t trust that important thing to just somebody. Yamato’s role to protect Momo & Shinobu is way more important than Carrot’s role to stall Big Mom’s army chasing Sunny.
For Yamato’s role, it can be revealed later. Jinbe’s role of being a Helmsman only being shown first in WCI, before it became official. If some say that Carrot can be a look out, Yamato can too. Like, Yamato’s height is almost 3 meters. If Yamato joins, 5 out of 11 SHPs are haki user which is very important in New World. Yamato can be a chronicler, or a diplomat where she can be the bridge in between SHPs to their allies later (like what Vivi does); or maybe: Strategist Commander.
Yamato will be the one who formulate what to do & not to do in upcoming fights, because usually Straw Hats (especially Luffy) just go straight to battle field without preparation. Remember, that Luffy almost used Gear 4th on Numbers, where he should be reserving his stamina to fight Kaido. If Sanji is not there to stop Luffy, Luffy will waste his stamina on mere numbers. Yamato spending 20 years locked in Onigashima, formulating ways to beat Kaido; Strategist Commander will sound like perfect role for Yamato to hold.
And honestly speaking, IMO Monet is way more interesting in design, character, and powerset than Carrot. No hate on Carrot anyway.
Jinbe's picture does appear to be ocher, and as far as I know, these results came out before the latest Vivre Card databook entry (though I don't know that for sure), suggesting that Oda may have had something to do with the colors chosen.
1. This confirms Oda definitely cares about colour theory.
2. Jinbe was introduced way, way before he joined the crew so it's possible Oda forgot to take his colours into consideration all the way back then. This would explain why after FMI Oda started consistently putting Jinbe in kimonos with different shades of yellow like you mentioned.
This seems like a good time to bring up that there's also a Japanese wedding company, Placole, that's currently doing a promotional event wherein various cakes and dresses are being designed based on major One Piece female characters, and wouldn't you know it, Carrot's dress is green.
I didn't mention this in the theory proper on the basis that this is promotional material being handled by an outside source and no one else in the lineup has a green dress, so it's entirely possible that Placole just wanted someone to be wearing green and didn't want Carrot to overlap with Nami, but who's to say?
Yep, it's certainly interesting. I was always undecided about Carrot being lime, white or orange. But after you collected the images and showed the colour chart, lime really seems to be Carrot's colour to me.
1. This confirms Oda definitely cares about colour theory.
2. Jinbe was introduced way, way before he joined the crew so it's possible Oda forgot to take his colours into consideration all the way back then. This would explain why after FMI Oda started consistently putting Jinbe in kimonos with different shades of yellow like you mentioned.
That's cool to know! It carries some really interesting implications for this theory.
For one, it means that Oda DID deliberately avoid giving Jinbe a blue theme color, which strongly suggests that he is in fact only doing two Straw Hats per color category.
Two, it means that he doesn't necessarily have the colors in mind from the beginning, but is dedicated enough to the idea that he'll make it work. It's possible that Jinbe was just an oversight, but it's also possible that, as I suggested, how Oda portrays a character in their initial appearance isn't indicative of their color.
This means that Oda could potentially make the decision later on, putting it off until he outright needs to, or he could hide a character's theme color to throw us off the scent. I'm not saying this is the case, but it's entirely possible that Carrot is given green so often to make it seem like the green slot is assured, only to reveal later that Carrot's color is orange and give green to someone else (like Monet).
Again, only time will tell, but it's always fun to get a peek into Oda's thought process!
I've seen people discuss the Yonko's colors before, the general consensus being that they seem to fit the Four Symbols of Chinese mythology: Whitebeard is Byakko the White Tiger, "Red Hair" Shanks is Suzaku the Vermilion Bird, Kaido with the Fish-Fish Fruit, Model: Seiryu is quite literally Seiryu the Azure Dragon, Blackbeard is Genbu the Black Tortoise, and "Gold" Roger at the center of it all is the fifth Symbol, Koryu the Yellow Dragon.
The issue with this analysis is that Big Mom inherently doesn't fit into it no matter how you look at it. There are no pink Symbols, and she doesn't have black or yellow in her color scheme. That said, there are two different versions of Genbu: one being a tortoise, one being a snake, so while her color doesn't match, she could potentially fit one of the two animals, likely whichever fits her more thematically.
As for the Shichibukai, I'm not really sure what merit there would be in analyzing their symbology now that they've been disbanded. No one else is liable to join their ranks, so I'm not sure what I'd be looking for. Did you have something in mind?
I think for Big Mom, she represents Qilin / Kirin. Interestingly, Lin/Rin (麟) means “female” while Qi means male. The colour part although Seiryu is “Azure Dragon”, its representative colour is green instead of blue. And also, Qilin/Kirin’s mane looks fiery in some depictions; similar with how Big Mom’s fiery hair when using Prometheus.
And I found it’s very interesting that Holydramon from Digimon somehow looks like Kirin / Qilin:
So I think Big Mom’s color as pink just to emphasize that she represents Kirin; as the female.
I think for Big Mom, she represents Qilin / Kirin. Interestingly, Lin/Rin (麟) means “female” while Qi means male. The colour part although Seiryu is “Azure Dragon”, its representative colour is green instead of blue. And also, Qilin/Kirin’s mane looks fiery in some depictions; similar with how Big Mom’s fiery hair when using Prometheus.
And I found it’s very interesting that Holydramon from Digimon somehow looks like Kirin / Qilin:
So I think Big Mom’s color as pink just to emphasize that she represents Kirin; as the female.
The kanji used for Seiryu, 青龍 , can technically be translated as either Blue or Green Dragon, but the color kanji is generally read as Ao and taken to mean blue. It's not unheard of for Seiryu to be depicted as green, but most people in my experience tend towards blue, which Oda has clearly done by explicitly labeling Kaido as Seiryu and coloring him blue.
In the Four Symbols, the kirin is on occasion used in place of the Yellow Dragon, which again, I think is would be more fitting as Gold Roger in this scenario.
Still, the idea that Big Mom and Kaido are pulling double duty as the Dragon of the East, one as a true dragon and one as a kirin, is an interesting one, especially since they're the Yonko that are teaming up.
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