General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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Not in that order, here I'll explain
-Robin's importance has been highlighted multiple times now. I don't think(or I hope) we will get another kidnappings plot so I think her safety as a crew member will play out differently.
-Law has been shown to be interested in the poneglyphs, he can't read them so he needs Robin in order to complete his goal. Oda has already made the two kind of friendly by showing Law trust her enough to reveal his biggest secret.
- People want to see Luffy fights his contemporaries. Roger and Whitebeard got a chance to fight each other, and even Oden. Why shouldn't Luffy get a fight or two against Kid and Law?
So my theory is that Law challenges Luffy to a duel for Robin(or maybe a Davy Back fight) after Wano and Luffy accepts out of respect(or lets be honest confidence) for Law
-Robin's importance has been highlighted multiple times now. I don't think(or I hope) we will get another kidnappings plot so I think her safety as a crew member will play out differently.
-Law has been shown to be interested in the poneglyphs, he can't read them so he needs Robin in order to complete his goal. Oda has already made the two kind of friendly by showing Law trust her enough to reveal his biggest secret.
- People want to see Luffy fights his contemporaries. Roger and Whitebeard got a chance to fight each other, and even Oden. Why shouldn't Luffy get a fight or two against Kid and Law?
So my theory is that Law challenges Luffy to a duel for Robin(or maybe a Davy Back fight) after Wano and Luffy accepts out of respect(or lets be honest confidence) for Law
I don't understand why people think Law joining the crew would tarnish his character. He wants to know the meaning of the will of D, and that requires him to reach laugh tale. After Wano, he has 3 options of how to do this.
Option 1, go back into Big Mom's territory by himself to get her poneglyph, find the last one before Luffy, then kidnap Robin, turning Luffy into an enemy.
Option 2, ask for charity and humiliate himself by riding another pirate's coattails all the way to Laugh Tale all while pretending they're still rivals. And it's a big if if Luffy will let him mooch off the strawhats for something that significant anyway.
Option 3, understand when he has lost and instead of asking for charity, become a top member of the Pirate King's crew.
I really don't see how any of these are acceptable except for number 3.
Option 1, go back into Big Mom's territory by himself to get her poneglyph, find the last one before Luffy, then kidnap Robin, turning Luffy into an enemy.
Option 2, ask for charity and humiliate himself by riding another pirate's coattails all the way to Laugh Tale all while pretending they're still rivals. And it's a big if if Luffy will let him mooch off the strawhats for something that significant anyway.
Option 3, understand when he has lost and instead of asking for charity, become a top member of the Pirate King's crew.
I really don't see how any of these are acceptable except for number 3.
Let me tell you why.
Each character is a world, and there's no worst thing Thant making every character Prota-centric.
Each character must have its own individual philosophy and personality , you can not make every cool character that it's involved with the MC part of the main group... That's terrible writing, for Law would be better to continue his own adventure... at least imo.
Each character is a world, and there's no worst thing Thant making every character Prota-centric.
Each character must have its own individual philosophy and personality , you can not make every cool character that it's involved with the MC part of the main group... That's terrible writing, for Law would be better to continue his own adventure... at least imo.
No one said every cool character must join, I just think Law should. Obviously his goal is laugh tale. Which of the 3 options do you think he will take? Or do you think there is an option 4? The time for having adventures is over. Luffy will have 3 poneglyphs at the end of wano and a crew member capable of reading them. Post Wano is a race to Laugh Tale. What do you think Law will do?
Pudding can't read poneglyphs. Even Linlin seems to have given up on that. I suppose it's possible Law could die, but there's nothing pointing to that. You haven't actually made an argument so far. You've just said it would be bad writing.
Law hits all the checkmarks
Tragic backstory flashback
Personal villain defeated by Luffy
Character centered arc
Dream that requires being on the pirate king's crew
A role (strategist, as that has been his role in the alliance since the beginning).
No real options to achieve his dream without Luffy
Why is it bad writing for Law to join the crew? What is it about his character specifically?
Edit: even if Law could find a way to read the poneglyphs there's no way his fodder crew is getting in and out of Big Mom's territory alive.
Law hits all the checkmarks
Tragic backstory flashback
Personal villain defeated by Luffy
Character centered arc
Dream that requires being on the pirate king's crew
A role (strategist, as that has been his role in the alliance since the beginning).
No real options to achieve his dream without Luffy
Why is it bad writing for Law to join the crew? What is it about his character specifically?
Edit: even if Law could find a way to read the poneglyphs there's no way his fodder crew is getting in and out of Big Mom's territory alive.
In this situation I have no arguments more than my hate to the super popular characters to join.
Jimbe was cool enough for Luffy, and now Law?
If Law joins the crew what is he going to do?, he doesn't feels like one of them, he's cool and independent, law must find a way to reach laugh tale without Luffy.
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Jimbe was cool enough for Luffy, and now Law?
If Law joins the crew what is he going to do?, he doesn't feels like one of them, he's cool and independent, law must find a way to reach laugh tale without Luffy.
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Well if you just don't want him to join then say that instead of claiming it can't/won't happen or that it would be bad writing.
I also think it's telling that his dream is not to be the pirate King as many claimed it was before, it's just to learn the meaning of the will of D. He does not need to be the captain of his own crew for that dream.
I also think it's telling that his dream is not to be the pirate King as many claimed it was before, it's just to learn the meaning of the will of D. He does not need to be the captain of his own crew for that dream.
Lol, the comparison to Brook literally serves as further reason for why Yamao is likely a red herring.
You can often tell what moments are important simply by the panelling, how they are presented on the page. You could remove the dialogue entirely and still recognise a stand out moment simply by the layout of the page and design of the panel. Just compare the two:
So in one corner we've got the climax of what the whole chapter was building up to. A cliffhanger presented as a double page spread with minimal dialogue and huge onomatopoeia
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A slim panel within an overly cluttered page that's seemingly forgotten as quickly as it appears. Even the phrasing is clunky, lol.
You don't even need to know what Nami's saying to be able to tell that it's probably something significant.
And of course as we know, Brook initially declined the offer to join because of personal reasons which were only resolved after an emotional story arc that spanned across all of Thriller Bark. You've got the same deal with every other straw hat.
Yes, it's obvious who is going to join the crew, but that's not because Oda straight up has the characters state word for word that they are going to join. It's because of the stuff beyond the surface level. Their dreams, backstories, character arcs etc. that make it obvious. In every single case Oda used some form of misdirection in order to conceal the truth.
This video explains it very well and why Yamao's case is totally different from actual straw hats.
You can often tell what moments are important simply by the panelling, how they are presented on the page. You could remove the dialogue entirely and still recognise a stand out moment simply by the layout of the page and design of the panel. Just compare the two:
vs
A slim panel within an overly cluttered page that's seemingly forgotten as quickly as it appears. Even the phrasing is clunky, lol.
And of course as we know, Brook initially declined the offer to join because of personal reasons which were only resolved after an emotional story arc that spanned across all of Thriller Bark. You've got the same deal with every other straw hat.
Yes, it's obvious who is going to join the crew, but that's not because Oda straight up has the characters state word for word that they are going to join. It's because of the stuff beyond the surface level. Their dreams, backstories, character arcs etc. that make it obvious. In every single case Oda used some form of misdirection in order to conceal the truth.
This video explains it very well and why Yamao's case is totally different from actual straw hats.
You talk about Yamato appearing out of nowhere asking to join is the Red Herring, but you don't talk about the Red Herring that has existed for the longest time, and that's Carrot.
Carrot has been the 'potential straw hat' for the longest time, yet she has had little to no developments necessary for a Straw Hat in the timespan and arcs she's been with them. No in-depth flashback and backstory, no real conversation or bonding with Luffy (biting Luffy's ears and crying in his arms don't count), and most importantly of all, Carrot has never had a arc where she was the main character, despite how many arcs she's been in.
Every Straw hat who joined had a arc dedicated to them where they were the main character and where their struggles were resolved by Luffy, Luffy defeated the arcs main villain who they couldn't defeat themselves. Carrot has none of this going for her, but Yamato has-Yamato's biggest obstacle of leaving Wano and adventuring the world is Kaido, the same Kaido that is the main villain that Luffy wants to take down the most.
Breaking a potential Straw Hat candidate from the villain's captive hold and giving them freedom (Nami, Robin, Brook, Zoro etc) or the burden of responsibility that chains and binds them (Jinbe, Sanji, Franky, Chopper, Ussop) is how the bond between a potential Straw Hat and Luffy is created and sealed in stone. It all resolves around the theme of Luffy giving them freedom, either freedom from their captors, or freedom to pursue their dreams and ambitions. In return, the straw hats join Luffy's crew as gratitude for Luffy's help for either breaking them out from their captivity, or their inability to pursue their dreams.
All Straw Hats who joined felled in either one of the two categories. Yamato fits into the Breaking a potential Straw Hat candidate from the villain's captive hold and giving them freedom Category along with Nami, Robin, Brook and Zoro. Carrot fits in neither.
Carrot neither has a villian that is holding her captive, nor a burden that is holding her back from pursuing her dreams (she freely snuck onto the Sunny so easily). So you can see that Carrot just doesn't have the necessary circumstance or backstory to make her bonding with Luffy a compelling one, biting his ears and crying for Pedro don't count.
Yamato's sudden introduction doesn't make her a Red Herring, it actually makes Carrot the Red Herring. If Yamato was the Red Herring, who is she the Red Herring for?? Carrot is actually the Red Herring for Yamato.
Its like the callback to Vivi and Robin, Vivi joined the Straw Hats adventures so easily, yet she still couldn't join the crew for real at the end of Alabasta, Robin meanwhile did. And just Like Yamato, both Robin and Nami were subordinates to Luffy's previous enemies Arlong and Crocodile, just like Yamato is the child of Kaido. Carrot doesn't fit this pattern.
Adding Carrot to the story while also her snucking on the ship, is Oda's intentional doing to serve 2 purposes, and none of them have to do with Carrot joining the crew:
1. Carrot is used as the Red Herring, or bait and misdirection so to speak for the totally unexpected introduction of the real Straw Hat Yamato in the Wano Arc.
2. Carrot is introduced and made to go along with Luffy and half the Straw Hats to WCI as the eye witness to live to tell the tales of the Straw Hats long into the future, in this sense Carrot mirrors the roles that both Inuarashi and Nekomamushi played in sailing with the Pirate King Gol D Roger as Oden's retainers. Neither two went to Laugh Tale, and i don't think Carrot will either.
It's also ironic how you have to resort to manga panels that are misleading to what you are talking about, that's your intentional misdirection. Brook's real focus panel isn't when he first met Luffy, Nami and Sanji. Its when Brook asks Luffy if he can join the crew when Luffy's was lying on the piano that Brook played Bink's Sake at the party after defeating Moria in Chapter 489. It was set up as a 1 one 1 conversation, a conversation that Yamato and Luffy also had together and alone in the attic of Kaido's castle in chapter 984.
Now speaking of which, where is Carrot's one on one talk with Luffy about her wanting to join the crew? All right, she doesn't have one.
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