Will ZKk Happen?


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ConquistadoR

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The one that finished her up was Nami, if it wasnt for her Ulti would still be around fighting the alliance, so for all intends and purposes Nami was the one that defeated her.
WsW got folded, true, but he did injure Jinbe and required whats most likely Jinbe's strongest land attack, and we dont know if that crazy haki that he used is someting that he could sustain for long or just a quick burst to defeat WsW at once. Either way just for keeping up with Jinbe and being acknowledged by him WsW has better portrayal as a fighter than any of the other tobi, especially when compared to Ulti who just smashes shit with her head
bro what is this logic? just because nami got the final attack does that negate all the punishment ulti took from big mom and yamato this arc lmfaoo?

and no jinbe never acknowledged who's who - that's the point of their interaction. he used one move - onigawara seiken and who's who was laid out flat. and the best of who's who's moves did nothing but scratch jinbe. jinbe's best attack imo is vagabond drill imo which he didnt use at all here.

who's who has a visually appealing fighting style than ulti who smashes shit with her head but you cannot use that for powerscaling lol.
 
I am not denying he have COC in the attack, but the reality is Enma help in that attack to give a cut as it doesn't make sense on Zoro's response that he doesn't know what he mean by that and again Enma is the only weapon that got into the scales and he doesn't need to keep mention it back to back to know after past chapters mentioning several times on Enma being special sword. Why it's not special again in that scene? Because he isn't talking about it, but it was highlighted into the attack though :kayneshrug:.

Wait? So you changing points now hey? My entire argument to you was that the other swords had to be involved because asbura is a 9 sword style.

And that if it was only enmas doing as usual kaido would have said so.

Kaido did not which means

1. Zoros other swords did damage
2. He used a bit of coc in his attack

None of that contradicts enmas use. However what it does show is that the attack itself was not predicated on simply enma but the entirety of what zoro is.

And if that were not the case kaido was have deduced that all of this was because of enma. Which is what kaido did not do when receiving the ashura attack
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
all this tobi roppo, numbers, etc makes me realize that Big Mom Pirates >> Beast Pirates lmao
nahh raid suit sanji was struggling to put down page one (the weakest tobi roppo) for good, while base sanji was speed blitzing oven (one of the strongest executive of big mom pirates) - oven couldnt even sense sanji lol. except for katakuri and cracker , the big mom pirates arent that big imo
 
if she is so strong all along, she couldve lol diffed her opponents in dressrosa. that's the issue with adding in flashback based powerups.
She was turned into a toy, then you had the blow up guy, and she was about to go in (page with 10 giant arms), then Rebecca came and she went to protect her, and made sure she is safe so that Kyros can have his revenge.
In no situation she went all out and could have shown this, but her treatment of Hakuba already hinted enough that she is easily in mid tier category and close to Sanji, as some people pointed out, but people did not want to believe it.
 
next chapter there will be an announcement that all of the Topirobbo have been defeated and the beast pirates will shrink more. we will see King, Queen , Jack and the CP0 reactions to that.
Curious about this. Lets wait and see. If it happens, then I will definitely acknowledge they are done (Who's Who and Sasaki at least, the rest I already do currently).

The Mary's are clearly feedback for CP-0 to observe the fights going on, but we have to see what they say regarding this. Will they just acknowledge Black Maria's defeat? Will they show all of the Tobi Roppo done? The most peculiar thing is we actually never see Sasaki and WsW actually done and defeated, unlike Black Maria this very chapter.

Its possible that they are however and Franky and Jinbe are utilized in other places. They are both relatively healthy right now, unlike Robin who currently needs Brook's help to move. Brook himself is pretty healthy. Usopp himself can seemingly can move around and hasn't really been given anything significant, as is Chopper if Chopperjiji leads to something better for him. Nami also has the potential to be useful with Zeus somewhere.

I think 1022 will be a very important chapter. It should hopefully explain if the Tobi Roppo are in fact all down or not. If so, hopefully it will give us ideas to where these 6 crewmembers can be used next, since 3 of them didn't get proper fights and Jinbe/Franky seem at least good enough to fight more somewhere.

It entirely rides on this question for now.
 
The one that finished her up was Nami, if it wasnt for her Ulti would still be around fighting the alliance, so for all intends and purposes Nami was the one that defeated her.
WsW got folded, true, but he did injure Jinbe and required whats most likely Jinbe's strongest land attack, and we dont know if that crazy haki that he used is someting that he could sustain for long or just a quick burst to defeat WsW at once. Either way just for keeping up with Jinbe and being acknowledged by him WsW has better portrayal as a fighter than any of the other tobi, especially when compared to Ulti who just smashes shit with her head
Wow just wow. Saying nami defeated her is like saying that my level 80 arceus brought this level 100 mewto down to 1hp (And this was after fighting the other pokemon my Rival had) only for me to have to switch out with my magkarp to deal the finishing blow. My arceus did all the work but my magikarp wants to claim the mvp role
 
nahh raid suit sanji was struggling to put down page one (the weakest tobi roppo) for good, while base sanji was speed blitzing oven (one of the strongest executive of big mom pirates) - oven couldnt even sense sanji lol. except for katakuri and cracker , the big mom pirates arent that big imo
neither of them were beaten by Sanji, so i see no difference here.

and the crew as a whole seems more balanced on BMP.
 
big mom's crew is even more bad. apart from katakuri and cracker the rest are absolutely horrible. raid suit sanji couldnt put down page one for good at the start of wano while WCI sanji was absolutely speed blitzing oven (~ a similar executive in the Big mom pirates) at WCI.
How are they horrible? Only plot stopped them from destroying the SH... even then WCI felt far more dangerous.... Onigashima is a joke. If RS could have done something, he wouldn't have baked a cake instead.
 
I’m not sure where this build up coming from, but I understand the expectations of awakening haki to be a major moment. However, we don’t have the time or space within the arc to make a big deal of unlocking haki. So much is happening and has to be written in the arc I don’t blame Oda to make light of this matter.
Oda is literally taking a flashback to explain past abilities Robin has shown (rescuing the ship on the way to FI).
Yeah, two pages to explain Haki awakening is not too much.
 
If we're going by the assumption that all the F6 do have haki, she's still portrayed as the weakest offensively to be honest.

-Ulti's headbutts were recognized as strong by Luffy and she even pinned him down to the point he was about to use G4.
-Sasaki's spinning slashes and tackles, as silly as they may be, managed to cut through the Franky Shogun's wapometal.
-WsW has both rokushiki and fully shown CoA coating.
-Page One is the only one who didn't get to show much, but even during his short fight with RS Sanji he was shown to be pretty strong and durable.

Black Maria was swinging a flaming rod around and is now using brass knuckles to punch.
Her presumably being the last one to go down also doesn't matter much considering Raizo vs Fukurokujo is still unresolved and could be the focus of next week's chapter.
Another thing to add is that fight order definitely doesn't matter in the long run.

Enies Lobby had Nami's fight with Kalifa (630 doriki) occur after Franky vs Fukurou (810 doriki) and Chopper vs Kumadori (820 doriki) respectively. Thriller Bark had Usopp's fight happen after Sanji's. Chopper fought Gedatsu, the weakest priest, after Shura and Hatori were taken out.

Though I still wonder, for now, if WsW and Sasaki are actually down considering the unfinished conclusions to their fights at this time. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Interesting to me that Ulti recovered twice (from Yamato and Big Mom). It would be odd if she is the only Tobi Roppo able to do this.
 
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