So what I’m getting from this is Luffy actively searches for Success and treasure instead of the One piece. So Luffy is directly proactive with in this story since he has short term goals such as success and treasure. This is of course different from manga Luffy who has no actual short term goals most of the time and the plot just happens to occur around him.
Zoro has no ambition it seems. He’s the archetype of a “gifted fighter” who has no direction in life. So I’m guessing there is no “World’s strongest swordsman” in this story or if there is, Zoro doesn’t have this as a goal at the start. Also Zoro isnt described as “gifted” anywhere in the Manga so they are removing the fact that Zoro just trained hard to be a good fighter. Which makes sense for this version since this Zoro has no ambition to be the best so he wouldn’t have any ambition to train hard, so instead he was naturally good at fighting.
Hmm, wow, I’m actually interested in this. They are actually changing core character aspects and world building aspects and backstories for this.
this is an actual adaptation instead of copy paste shit that I did not want
Luffy actively searches for Success and treasure instead of the One piece. So Luffy is directly proactive with in this story since he has short term goals such as success and treasure. This is of course different from manga Luffy who has no actual short term goals most of the time and the plot just happens to occur around him.
Zoro has no ambition it seems. He’s the archetype of a “gifted fighter” who has no direction in life. So I’m guessing there is no “World’s strongest swordsman” in this story or if there is, Zoro doesn’t have this as a goal at the start. Also Zoro isnt described as “gifted” anywhere in the Manga so they are removing the fact that Zoro just trained hard to be a good fighter. Which makes sense for this version since this Zoro has no ambition to be the best so he wouldn’t have any ambition to train hard, so instead he was naturally good at fighting.
Hmm, wow, I’m actually interested in this. They are actually changing core character aspects and world building aspects and backstories for this.
this is an actual adaptation instead of copy paste shit that I did not want
I mean if your measure for “suck” is how different it is from the manga then sure, this seems EXTREMELY different from the manga. Like not even backstories are the same
but that’s not how adaptations work. Being exactly the same as the source material isn’t the same as being a good adaptation of it
I mean if your measure for “suck” is how different it is from the manga then sure, this seems EXTREMELY different from the manga. Like not even backstories are the same
but that’s not how adaptations work. Being exactly the same as the source material isn’t the same as being a good adaptation of it
My god these descriptions are awful! Luffy "wants to bring change" against "a system clinging in the past"?? Anyone else smells "woke woke woke" from this description? Luffy in the manga is surely a good guy,but he is also a very selfish person! He wants to reach his goal to get the One Piece and be the freest man in the world,and thats it. He doesnt want to "change the world",that is his father Dragon! From this description,instead,it sounds like they want to make it like some woke hero,or just like someone from the Revolutionary Army.
About Zoro: he sounds too cynical and without an objective in this description,so very different from the manga too.
Like i wrote in my full comment (i dont like when only parts of my comments get quoted) Luffy's character is totally different in the manga. He is surely a good guy but also very selfish,he wants to realize his dream and he doesnt want to change the world defeating the "old evil forces". That is Dragon,not Luffy.
Like i wrote in my full comment (i dont like when only parts of my comments get quoted) Luffy's character is totally different in the manga. He is surely a good guy but also very selfish,he wants to realize his dream and he doesnt want to change the world defeating the "old evil forces". That is Dragon,not Luffy.
Oh I’m not responding to whether Luffy’s character is different or whether it’s good or bad that his character is different.
Im specifically only interested in you point of saying there’s a problem with “woke woke woke” in any part of the live action, as if the manga itself isn’t that already.
Luffy actively searches for Success and treasure instead of the One piece. So Luffy is directly proactive with in this story since he has short term goals such as success and treasure. This is of course different from manga Luffy who has no actual short term goals most of the time and the plot just happens to occur around him.
Zoro has no ambition it seems. He’s the archetype of a “gifted fighter” who has no direction in life. So I’m guessing there is no “World’s strongest swordsman” in this story or if there is, Zoro doesn’t have this as a goal at the start. Also Zoro isnt described as “gifted” anywhere in the Manga so they are removing the fact that Zoro just trained hard to be a good fighter. Which makes sense for this version since this Zoro has no ambition to be the best so he wouldn’t have any ambition to train hard, so instead he was naturally good at fighting.
Hmm, wow, I’m actually interested in this. They are actually changing core character aspects and world building aspects and backstories for this.
this is an actual adaptation instead of copy paste shit that I did not want
Oh I’m not responding to whether Luffy’s character is different or whether it’s good or bad that his character is different.
Im specifically only interested in you point of saying there’s a problem with “woke woke woke” in any part of the live action, as if the manga itself isn’t that already.
I think there is a misunderstaing between us here because of the different meaning we give to the term "woke". What i call woke its not just being anti-racism,anti-sexism etc. for me those are just "good values". What i call "woke" is more that trend that there is in current western medias,to consider everything offensive and create controversies over every little thing. I think One Piece is a manga with "good values" but it doesnt have that cringy "woke vibe" that some modern american shows have,for example. But this live action could (but we have to wait and see) enter in this trend of modern american show where everything must be a parallel to american political controversies etc. there could be some "Fishmen Lives Matter" shirt or the classic scene where a guy tells Nami to smile,and she answers beating him up. (Seriously, american writers: If you want to criticize catcalling is a noble intent,but try to do it writing a different scene for once! I swear,i saw that "smile" scene a milion times already in many movies and tv shows! By the way this is just an example,hopefully they wont do it because talking about sexism is out of place in a story like One Piece. Thats what i would call a "woke vibe").
I think there is a misunderstaing between us here because of the different meaning we give to the term "woke". What i call woke its not just being anti-racism,anti-sexism etc. for me those are just "good values". What i call "woke" is more that trend that there is in current western medias,to consider everything offensive and create controversies over every little thing. I think One Piece is a manga with "good values" but it doesnt have that cringy "woke vibe" that some modern american shows have,for example. But this live action could (but we have to wait and see) enter in this thread of modern american show where everything must be a parallel to american political controversies etc. there could be some "Fishmen Lives Matter" shirt or the classic scene where a guy tells Nami to smile,and she answers beating him up. (Seriously, american writers: If you want to criticize catcalling is a noble intent,but try to do it writing a different scene for once! I swear,i saw that "smile" scene a milion times already in many movies and tv shows! By the way this is just an example,hopefully they wont do it because talking about sexism is out of place in a story like One Piece. Thats what i would call a "woke vibe").
I don’t understand, how would you for example deal with Kuina’s story in 2021?
You say talking about sexism is out of place in One piece. Why? Are you saying there is no concept of sexism in the one piece world or are you saying it’s there but the story just doesn’t acknowledge it?
Btw, none of the above options mean the TV show can’t deal with Sexism, it’s an adaptation. Like if you believe the concept of sexism doesn’t exist in One piece, THATS A STATEMENT. Do you understand?
if an American tv show, creates a show in which the world of the tv show, BLATANTLY HAS NO SEXISM, That in itself is a statement dealing with sexism. Get it? That means Kuina’s backstory changes. Right? That means aspects of Sanji’s chivalry changes because chivalry started with sexism. Do you understand what I mean? A blatant statement against the depiction of something, is in itself a statement about the thing you are not depicting.
for example a new “woke trend” is fantasy worlds with no concepts of homophobia. Like a story that never once mentions any single issue with gays or transsexuals in the story. Like a story where there is actually no word “gay”. As in a guy bangs a guy and it’s called sex the exact same way a guy banging a girl is called sex. No one even can tell the difference in the story itself.
Do you see what just happened? There is no statement about gay rights or whatever you don’t like. There is no even acknowledgement that “gay” is a concept anyone in the world understands. And just like that, you’ve made a woke statement but specifically removing the talking points of the whole statement from the story.
So, the option of saying “There is no sexism in the world of one piece” requires actual proof, and the act of making sure this statement is true is itself “woke” because you have to actually change one piece into this “non sexist world” that it is.
And so the next option is “there is sexism but the story doesn’t focus on it”. Well that’s fine. The story will remain about adventure and action, but since you acknowledge that there is sexism in the world, what’s wrong with show displaying it? You can say “maybe they overdo it and it detracts from the pacing and story” which is a good criticism, but what if they don’t do that? What if they make a clear definitive plot point about sexism that doesn’t detract from THEIR STORY since they are allowed to change shit, and the pacing is unaffected and the story is actually well told? What then? Is it now bad again to even talk about it yet it’s there? Isn’t it then weird for people experiencing sexism to ignore it in the story itself?
See this is the trap of the “no politics in my stories” or “no wokeness in my story” camps, its a statement itself to not have any of these. If you make a movie or whatever devoid of any message of any kind, you have unintentionally made a story where the point is to not have those things.
if you make a 10 season show where you say “I dont want to address race issues so I’ll just make everyone White in the show” that in itself is a statement against race. Its not automatically neurtral to ignore things.
@ArturCantSpeakJapanese
What? Oda himself literally says multiple times he keeps shit simple for 12 year olds to understand and enjoy
The tv show seems to be changing archetypes. Which is good because archetypes dont cross mediums and cultures easily. Sanji’s pervert gag literally cannot work in anyway in america. Zoro’s badass swordsman is specifically an anime archetype. Luffy’s dumb nice guy protagonist thing can exist in certain forms in America such as Peter quill but it would need other things to work. Luffy would need an actual character flaw for his archetype to work in America and Luffy has none in the manga
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