Questions & Mysteries Why Roger îs not a swordman

[ShinmenTakezo]

Have we seen Roger fight without a sword ? Holding a gun in one panel doesn't count...
If not then he is a swordsman for now.
Kizaru, Aokiji, WB, BM, all of them were shown fighting for extended periods without swords

This is the most reasonable answer, i think we should put this as last post and close the thread

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Does it matter if Roger was a swordsman? He's dead so isnt a factor when it comes to the current strongest swordsman. Zoro wants to be strongest swordsman....not the strongest to ever exist....

The misunderstanding comes from wrong translation

 

[Kejon]

Based on what? Which top tier did he beat?

We know he beat Xebec and his crew with the help of Garp lol. Not only that, but he is the PK. We don't even need to see Roger fight to say he is the strongest. Stop with your inane questions.

 

[nik87]

We know he beat Xebec and his crew with the help of Garp lol. Not only that, but he is the PK. We don't even need to see Roger fight to say he is the strongest. Stop with your inane questions.

We literally have 0 combat feats from God Valley and we dont know who fought who and how... Doesnt help your argument.
PK title didnt make him any stronger than he was before becoming PK, stop with the insanity.
He has shown 0 dominance over other top tiers and only has postponement feats against WB, Shiki and Garp.
Seems like what you consider the strongest is as strong as those 3 so there are 4 strongest.

 

[Shanks Joestar]

Does it matter if Roger was a swordsman? He's dead so isnt a factor when it comes to the current strongest swordsman. Zoro wants to be strongest swordsman....not the strongest to ever exist....

But is battle manga at the end of the day..... and Zoro is going to surpass Mihawk and even Ryuma!

So this is where the real debate start....

 

[Kejon]

We literally have 0 combat feats from God Valley and we dont know who fought who and how... Doesnt help your argument.
PK title didnt make him any stronger than he was before becoming PK, stop with the insanity.
He has shown 0 dominance over other top tiers and only has postponement feats against WB, Shiki and Garp.
Seems like what you consider the strongest is as strong as those 3 so there are 4 strongest.

You're basically saying, that if we don't know anything about a character then we can think of that said character, to be either the strongest, or the weakest. This doesn't make sense. Roger is the one who found the one piece and became the PK. And again, we don't need to see him fight. The fact that he was able to equally clash with WB and have the upper hand against him too several times should be enough.

 

[Rivaille]

The fact that he was able to equally clash with WB and have the upper hand against him too several times should be enough.

Where it is said Roger had the upper hand several times?

 

[Shanks Joestar]

PK title didnt make him any stronger than he was before becoming PK, stop with the insanity.

But yet his title put him above all characters alongside WB.

This is like Naruto with God of Shinobi the first Hokage and Madara.... until the EoS they were potrayed as the strongest ever like Roger and WB in One Piece.

 

[nik87]

You're basically saying, that if we don't know anything about a character then we can think of that said character, to be either the strongest, or the weakest. This doesn't make sense. Roger is the one who found the one piece and became the PK. And again, we don't need to see him fight. The fact that he was able to equally clash with WB and have the upper hand against him too several times should be enough.

When did he have an upper hand against Whitebeard?
What doesnt make sense is your claim that Roger is stronger because he became PK and found One Piece because neither of those are strength related.

But yet his title put him above all characters alongside WB.

Put him above, in what? In rare titles to obtain? Sure. Anything else? Nope.

 

[Eustass]

We literally have 0 combat feats from God Valley and we dont know who fought who and how... Doesnt help your argument.
PK title didnt make him any stronger than he was before becoming PK, stop with the insanity.
He has shown 0 dominance over other top tiers and only has postponement feats against WB, Shiki and Garp.
Seems like what you consider the strongest is as strong as those 3 so there are 4 strongest.

Feats against top tiers ?

Dude, Roger ONLY has like 2 chapters where he appeared post time skip, and the first he ONLY appeared at the end.

And in the first chapter where he has shown feats, he was shown to be much superior to Oden, and equal to Prime Whitebeard. Say to me one character that has better feats vs top tiers.

 

[Uncle Van]

But is battle manga at the end of the day..... and Zoro is going to surpass Mihawk and even Ryuma!

So this is where the real debate start....

Its an adventure manga

 

[Kejon]

Where it is said Roger had the upper hand several times?

At times WB had the upper hand and then Roger. You could say they were equal.

 

[Shanks Joestar]

Its an adventure manga

Yes generally an adventure manga but "at the end of the day" is also a battle shonen.

 

[Kejon]

What doesnt make sense is your claim that Roger is stronger because he became PK and found One Piece because neither of those are strength related.

So Roger equally clashing against prime WB apparently means he is not strong, because we didn't see him go all out lol. Roger couldn't just become the PK while being fodder. In fact, the only reason Oden even joined Roger is because of his strength.

 

[HA001]

So Roger equally clashing against prime WB apparently means he is not strong, because we didn't see him go all out lol. Roger couldn't just become the PK while being fodder. In fact, the only reason Oden even joined Roger is because of his strength.

Anyone can be pirate king. Strength is a non factor. Brook stole memes rp.

 

[Kejon]

Anyone can be pirate king. Strength is a non factor. Brook stole memes rp.

I can't wait for Buggy to become PK

 

[Uncle Van]

Yes generally an adventure manga but "at the end of the day" is also a battle shonen.

Not according to Oda. It's a adventure manga first and foremost and he prefers to draw comedy and story instead of fights by his own words.

Even of that wasnt the case, I dont what your responses has to do with Roger.

 

[HA001]

I can't wait for Buggy to become PK

He can its a fact.
All buggy needs is luck and a crew of brook nami and robin and he could theoretically go to raftel. Roger was lucky oden left wano or else he wouldnt have done shit.

 

[Kejon]

He can its a fact.
All buggy needs is luck and a crew of brook nami and robin and he could theoretically go to raftel. Roger was lucky oden left wano or else he wouldnt have done shit.

No, you just can't be fodder if you want to be the PK. That's not how this works.

 

[HA001]

No, you just can't be fodder if you want to be the PK. That's not how this works.

Yes it is.
How strong is brook ? He stole a copy and luckily ended up on zou for another. He could theoretically do the same for kaidos and luckily find the last and with nami and robin be on his way to raftel.

 

[nik87]

equal to Prime Whitebeard.

You could say they were equal.

All I see is EQUAL. Where did Roger the STRONGEST come from when you say that they were equal?

Roger couldn't just become the PK while being fodder.

Never said that he is fodder, obviously one of the strongest individuals of previous era. BUT, the STRONGEST one? Nothing to back it up.