Speculations Were Sanji and Marco no match for King and Queen?

I’m just wondering how in the hell they outlasted a mythical zoan… Especially Queen.

Not only was Marco beating his ass, but he was being chipped down by fodder attacking him and in turn him attacking them, his fight with Chopper, and Sanji’s two cents, yet somehow Marco is the one who is tired wtf?
Being mythical Zoan doesn't mean he's tougher, he just has great stamina and recovery.

Sanji's kicks definitely hurt Queen, too. Even Chopper drew blood. But that itself hasn't been portrayed as enough. Even when Big Mom knocked him into the ground, he wasn't that bad when he got up.
 
Being mythical Zoan doesn't mean he's tougher, he just has great stamina and recovery.

Sanji's kicks definitely hurt Queen, too. Even Chopper drew blood. But that itself hasn't been portrayed as enough. Even when Big Mom knocked him into the ground, he wasn't that bad when he got up.
Zoans definitely get tougher the higher class they are… That’s indirectly stated and implied constantly along with the great value of attaining them

Mythical > Ancient > Regular

But anyways I suppose Marco running out of gas first does make sense given the fact that he was sharing his power with hundreds of allies whilst fighting too.
 
He did that like 30 chapters ago lol. Again, King is at the height of his strength when the chapter started. Marco didn't wear him down. So no. Don't expect Catarina to be physically tougher than dinosaurs either.
Awww lol. It’s ok to be wrong.

But yes I’ll expect a mythical fox spirit to be tougher the same as a Phoenix would be and already is.

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It's embarrassing, luffy and nami were able to figh the great angry army of big mom in worse condition and for the same duration marco and sanji were fighting king and queen.
Oda literally draw sanji kicking queen in the face and he got completely ignored, he just can't do damage, so you can tell that queen realized that sanji is not a threat and he ignored him then he went to help king defeat marco, after that they immediately clapped sanji.
It's sanji's fault. Kan't even keep queen busy.
 
It's embarrassing, luffy and nami were able to figh the great angry army of big mom in worse condition and for the same duration marco and sanji were fighting king and queen.
Oda literally draw sanji kicking queen in the face and he got completely ignored, he just can't do damage, so you can tell that queen realized that sanji is not a threat and he ignored him then he went to help king defeat marco, after that they immediately clapped sanji.
It's sanji's fault. Kan't even keep queen busy.
can you prove how its was both marco and sanji that fought king and queen together when it wasn't implied at all through dialogue and context?
 
can you prove how its was both marco and sanji that fought king and queen together when it wasn't implied at all through dialogue and context?
I said queen ignored sanji a joined king against marco, because sanji can't do damage.
So it was marco vs king and queen. After that it was sanji vs king and queen.
Either way sanji is the one at fault there, marco was able to hold both Calamities back for an hour, sanji couldn't do it for few minutes.
 
We saw that marco fought king for half an hour while chopper was fighting queen. and marco was in a decent condition by the time sanji joined the fight.
What the hell was sanji doing for things to go to shit in less than 2 minutes, and fodder were saying that marco reached his limit a long time ago.
Maybe queen got tired from sanji only dodging his lasers and decided to ignore him.
Sanji is useless more than kid.
WTF Oda? :kaidowhat:
 
I said queen ignored sanji a joined king against marco, because sanji can't do damage.
So it was marco vs king and queen. After that it was sanji vs king and queen.
Either way sanji is the one at fault there, marco was able to hold both Calamities back for an hour, sanji couldn't do it for few minutes.
sanji literally kicked queen a distance didn't you see? Queen didn't ignore sanji ..sanji kicked the dood away you can see that sanji's kick is vertical and strong enough to make him bleed ...what further proves that sanij kicked him away is the fact that sanji held his leg in the air after he kicked queen (you can see that when perspero is scoping )






Queen is seen behind King again indicating he got kickedd away and then he approaches marco... and right after he does approach marco sanji and zoro blitz king and queen respectively after they turn around



the fact that sanji's not in the raid suit and his flames aren't even intense yet is toppling Queen with a blitze with a signature should just indicate how much he has in store... even marco was having a hard time against queen's toughness the only notable damage he did was with Phoenix Brand....
 
sanji literally kicked queen a distance didn't you see? Queen didn't ignore sanji ..sanji kicked the dood away you can see that sanji's kick is vertical and strong enough to make him bleed ...what further proves that sanij kicked him away is the fact that sanji held his leg in the air after he kicked queen (you can see that when perspero is scoping )






Queen is seen behind King again indicating he got kickedd away and then he approaches marco... and right after he does approach marco sanji and zoro blitz king and queen respectively after they turn around



the fact that sanji's not in the raid suit and his flames aren't even intense yet is toppling Queen with a blitze with a signature should just indicate how much he has in store... even marco was having a hard time against queen's toughness the only notable damage he did was with Phoenix Brand....
Sanji simply didn't do enough damage to maintain queen's aggro, sending queen flying and making him bleed is not a reliable proof of damage, chopper displayed similar feats yet he himself admitted that it doesn't work.
Queen didn't even care to retaliate on sanji kicking him, and that is enough proof for me to believe that queen doesn't consider sanji a threat, yet. Casually ignoring him and moving to finish off an immobile opponent.

Even if oda still hids some greater power for sanji, i think he's not doing a good job portraying it.
 
Sanji simply didn't do enough damage to maintain queen's aggro, sending queen flying and making him bleed is not a reliable proof of damage, chopper displayed similar feats yet he himself admitted that it doesn't work.
Queen didn't even care to retaliate on sanji kicking him, and that is enough proof for me to believe that queen doesn't consider sanji a threat, yet. Casually ignoring him and moving to finish off an immobile opponent.

Even if oda still hids some greater power for sanji, i think he's not doing a good job portraying it.
why would he care about retaliating when he sees marco up again
you're using irrelevant and trivial things to prove your point...even the final panel proves you wrong .. you expect a base kick to do consistent and lasting damage and thats a drivel i don't want to hear .. i dont see you calling marco out for the same thing but you don't...and actually you shouldn't be doing so since he did damage queen like sanji but Queen is just that resilient shown way more than king who didn't get up the next chap after taking a knee to the guts you don't seem to call that out either.

most of sanji's attacks made Queen bleed and whine but you don't seem to note to that.. you just take Queen's resilience as sanji's inability to damage him which contradicts the panels and is fallacious .
 
why would he care about retaliating when he sees marco up again
you're using irrelevant and trivial things to prove your point...even the final panel proves you wrong .. you expect a base kick to do consistent and lasting damage and thats a drivel i don't want to hear .. i dont see you calling marco out for the same thing but you don't...and actually you shouldn't be doing so since he did damage queen like sanji but Queen is just that resilient shown way more than king who didn't get up the next chap after taking a knee to the guts you don't seem to call that out either.

most of sanji's attacks made Queen bleed and whine but you don't seem to note to that.. you just take Queen's resilience as sanji's inability to damage him which contradicts the panels and is fallacious .
Sanji kicked queen before marco got back up, yet queen continued to hunt zoro, then marco showed up.

Why would sanji use weak attacks in such a dangerous situation, was he waiting zoro to wake up then he can start to fight seriously?

Marco is under the same light as sanji, both lacks AP, but at least marco could fight both Calamities for an hour and a half, sanji joined in less than 2 minutes and things got even worse than when chopper was fighting.

Also your assuming that king is less resilient than queen, which is baseless, because both king and queen recovered at the same time from marco's attacks, even so king should be the one who's more resilient because his just flesh and blood compared to queen who is a cyborg.

Chopper made queen bleed and produce damage noises, that's not impressive. Marco has failed to inflict noticeable damage on king and queen (they look as fresh as ever), and he is clearly stronger than sanji, basrd on how much time they spent fighting the calamities.

Queen was mostly complaining about how annoying both marco and sanji are.
 
Sanji kicked queen before marco got back up, yet queen continued to hunt zoro, then marco showed up.

Why would sanji use weak attacks in such a dangerous situation, was he waiting zoro to wake up then he can start to fight seriously?

Marco is under the same light as sanji, both lacks AP, but at least marco could fight both Calamities for an hour and a half, sanji joined in less than 2 minutes and things got even worse than when chopper was fighting.

Also your assuming that king is less resilient than queen, which is baseless, because both king and queen recovered at the same time from marco's attacks, even so king should be the one who's more resilient because his just flesh and blood compared to queen who is a cyborg.

Chopper made queen bleed and produce damage noises, that's not impressive. Marco has failed to inflict noticeable damage on king and queen (they look as fresh as ever), and he is clearly stronger than sanji, basrd on how much time they spent fighting the calamities.

Queen was mostly complaining about how annoying both marco and sanji are.
king was out for a chapter lmao when marco was holding Queen king wasn't seen anywhere so thats not baseless king wasn't seen and nothing good you can deduce from that king being flesh and blood should be more reason why queen's more resilient ..what you said is ironic

you are again asking trivial questions "why was sanji using weak attack" who said it was weak... it flipin flung queen a distance and made him bleed with a base kick bruh do you expect queen to go down with a base kick?

Who said sanji was done againt's king and queen .. after kicking queen away he dashed to save zoro wihtought Rs.. unlike marco he wasn't exerting to his limit which he would have if zoro didn't recover ..


again to you inability of damaging someone = the resilience of the one being attacked

BM whooped queen and the guy got up right after he is just that tanky

which a makes no sense... marco and sannji both visually hurt and whooped queen and you're just using wrong perspectives to undermine their efforts.
 
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