I wouldnt even argue that Fairy Tail invented that type of powerscaling. This and plenty other shonens is akin to Dragon Ball scalling. And the Z era didnt even invent that Im referring to DB dragon ball. Cases like goku vs tao pai pai, 2nd Budokai and even king piccolo. Enemies unbeatable, one convenient power up later, they nearly stomp the enemy. It only started to get out of hand around the freeza saga.
Current Events The growth of the Straw Hats is honestly ridiculous.
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Thing is that we didn't get a reason to believe the lower SHs were that powerful.
In Punk Hazard, Monet could hold off even Luffy and SHs like Nami & Robin needed Zoro to help them. Baby 5 and Buffalo could damage the Shogun.
In DR, Franky had a hard time against Senor Pink, and Pink took a radical beam to the face no problem. Robin was on her knees due to one attack from Diamante.
In WCI, Chopper was easily restrained by Oven who didn't use his DF power, Sanji needed to save Brooke, Chopper etc from Daifuku and Pero easily stopped Brooke and Chopper. Let's not forget about Pedro who was powerless against Oven and Pero.
In Wano, the lower SHs can suddenly beat Toppi Roppo without any power ups or hints of training. Feels pretty jarring
In Punk Hazard, Monet could hold off even Luffy and SHs like Nami & Robin needed Zoro to help them. Baby 5 and Buffalo could damage the Shogun.
In DR, Franky had a hard time against Senor Pink, and Pink took a radical beam to the face no problem. Robin was on her knees due to one attack from Diamante.
In WCI, Chopper was easily restrained by Oven who didn't use his DF power, Sanji needed to save Brooke, Chopper etc from Daifuku and Pero easily stopped Brooke and Chopper. Let's not forget about Pedro who was powerless against Oven and Pero.
In Wano, the lower SHs can suddenly beat Toppi Roppo without any power ups or hints of training. Feels pretty jarring
Quoted for truth.
Also, I think there is less time passing from the start of the manga to the start of the skip than between the end of the skip and today.
Notice how before the timeskip, we never -or almost never) had any indication of time passing. We hadn't those little panels with "three days later" or something like that. So basically, in pre-skip, Luffy went from the guy who fought Buggy to the one who was able to fight on equal footing with Rob Lucci in what, a month or two top.
Ever since the time skip, we have had many indications that more time has passed than ever before. So is it really surprising that the SH are growing that strong ?
Also, I think there is less time passing from the start of the manga to the start of the skip than between the end of the skip and today.
Notice how before the timeskip, we never -or almost never) had any indication of time passing. We hadn't those little panels with "three days later" or something like that. So basically, in pre-skip, Luffy went from the guy who fought Buggy to the one who was able to fight on equal footing with Rob Lucci in what, a month or two top.
Ever since the time skip, we have had many indications that more time has passed than ever before. So is it really surprising that the SH are growing that strong ?
Franky fought Senor Pink, in base, in a fist fight. If he would have brought out the Shogun, or hell even used any of his other technology at all during that fight, even without the Shogun, then Senor Pink would have been one shotted.
What are Nami and Robin going to do against a logia? And Luffy we know was just being Luffy. Could have easily defeated her if he really wanted to. He was even holding back against Caesar because the objective was to capture him, not defeat him. The only person on Punk Hazard who had any real objective of actually defeating someone was Law, and thats because of Vergo's role in what happened to Corazon.
Chopper vs Queen? We were told Queen was just messing with him the entire time, and that was with Chopper using a 30 minute rumble ball. Chopper is a physical fighter. It might look good on paper that he could "hold off" Queen for a half hour, but that all comes crashing down when we are told Queen wasn't being serious at all. That's like Kaido letting the scabbards land all those attacks on him, but as soon as he got serious, he destroyed all 9 of them with ease. The scabbards weren't actually THAT strong, Kaido was just dicking around the whole time.
What are Nami and Robin going to do against a logia? And Luffy we know was just being Luffy. Could have easily defeated her if he really wanted to. He was even holding back against Caesar because the objective was to capture him, not defeat him. The only person on Punk Hazard who had any real objective of actually defeating someone was Law, and thats because of Vergo's role in what happened to Corazon.
Chopper vs Queen? We were told Queen was just messing with him the entire time, and that was with Chopper using a 30 minute rumble ball. Chopper is a physical fighter. It might look good on paper that he could "hold off" Queen for a half hour, but that all comes crashing down when we are told Queen wasn't being serious at all. That's like Kaido letting the scabbards land all those attacks on him, but as soon as he got serious, he destroyed all 9 of them with ease. The scabbards weren't actually THAT strong, Kaido was just dicking around the whole time.
Someone skipped preTS lol.
But well, it's clear what is this about given the example you used to complain about...
Sanji barely got time against Doffy since he got caught in Parasite quickly, so it's not like we know for sure if he couldn't hurt him with other techniques. So starting from there, you are already wrong.
And that was some arcs ago. They get stronger, for no reason, in each arc (in each arc we got better feats from them).
Haki is not something impressive or relevant unless you bring it on a high lvl or one learns the advanced techniques. For most of the other people who can use it, it's a small boost. It can be 1,2,5,10,20 % increase in AP for example, and durability.
It's not something much more impressive (unless like I said one upgrade it to higher lvl) than Franky's weapons, Jinbei's Fishman techniques or Robin's clutch techniques (she actually should be able to submit much stronger people, you know, that stuff about a person being able to lift Earth with a long enough lever, Archimedes, well, Robin's techniques works with those laws).
But well, it's clear what is this about given the example you used to complain about...
Sanji barely got time against Doffy since he got caught in Parasite quickly, so it's not like we know for sure if he couldn't hurt him with other techniques. So starting from there, you are already wrong.
And that was some arcs ago. They get stronger, for no reason, in each arc (in each arc we got better feats from them).
Haki is not something impressive or relevant unless you bring it on a high lvl or one learns the advanced techniques. For most of the other people who can use it, it's a small boost. It can be 1,2,5,10,20 % increase in AP for example, and durability.
It's not something much more impressive (unless like I said one upgrade it to higher lvl) than Franky's weapons, Jinbei's Fishman techniques or Robin's clutch techniques (she actually should be able to submit much stronger people, you know, that stuff about a person being able to lift Earth with a long enough lever, Archimedes, well, Robin's techniques works with those laws).
When you realize gao cannon did the same kind of damage to Sasaki than it did to Baby 5 and Buffalo
And the Number was at least as durable as them, if not more.
When you realize gao cannon did the same kind of damage to Sasaki than it did to Baby 5 and Buffalo
Didn't say about Queen.
How does this change how the lower SHs were given the chance to show what they got but was always at the mercy of guys like Vergo, Pica, Monet, Oven, Daifuku, Diamante etc? SHs like Robin and Franky suddenly got the ability to beat them.
Ashura Doji was taken out by a Bomb, Perospero lost an arm despite candy armour due to a Bomb,
Yet Franky's Shogun survived a nuke
Yet Franky's Shogun survived a nuke
Are you meeting stupidity with more stupidity? See Baby 5/Buffalo who were weaker. The problem here is people ALWAYS underestimate past opponents. As soon as we go past an arc, suddenly everyone is trash. Look at all the Doflamingo downplayers, then all the Katakuri downplayers, then all the Kaido downplayers will come after.
We saw at Marineford how much people underestimated Crocodile. Even Enel would beat most YCs today. But since it was pre-TS and a long time ago, people always downplay them.
"Power creep" just means I was wrong about powerscaling and don't want to admit it.
Sasaki hasn't shown shit to put him above Trebol/Diamante. Not even basic Haki. That's why he struggled. If he had strong CoA, he wouldn't struggle. Baby 5 + Buffalo combined should put up some comparable feats to people of that level.
We saw at Marineford how much people underestimated Crocodile. Even Enel would beat most YCs today. But since it was pre-TS and a long time ago, people always downplay them.
"Power creep" just means I was wrong about powerscaling and don't want to admit it.
Sasaki hasn't shown shit to put him above Trebol/Diamante. Not even basic Haki. That's why he struggled. If he had strong CoA, he wouldn't struggle. Baby 5 + Buffalo combined should put up some comparable feats to people of that level.
"OMG, why is Luffy went from fighting Hody Jones to fighting Kaido, this is plot armor PIS at its finest."
"OMG, why is Sanji went from getting his leg broken by Vergo and getting negged by Doffy to fighting Queen!!!! This is bad, Sanji is not supposed to be strong."
Also them: "Oh, Zoro went from fighting Pica and fainted against Kamazou to fighting Kaido and Big Mom, I'm totally fine with that. Grandmaster hype!!!!!"
Me:
"OMG, why is Sanji went from getting his leg broken by Vergo and getting negged by Doffy to fighting Queen!!!! This is bad, Sanji is not supposed to be strong."
Also them: "Oh, Zoro went from fighting Pica and fainted against Kamazou to fighting Kaido and Big Mom, I'm totally fine with that. Grandmaster hype!!!!!"
Me:
This happened in THIS VERY SAME ARC.
For me, Sanji's powerlevel seems much more legit than Zoro's in this arc, and we just started pushing Sanji to do his best pretty recently, like since 1015.
Most of those who say "OH THE POWERCEEP IS TOO MUCH" are mostly biased people who have no problem with Nami surviving an attack from Ulti that overpowered Luffy and almost forced him to use Gear 4, what they really think is "Sanji can't be that strong, Doflamingo stopped him in the air without his knowledge, he is too weak".
Anybody could argue the powerlevel doesn't makes sense, but does it even made sense in the past? Looks like everyone forgot Water 7/Enies Lobby, thats the biggest power creep in OP
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